Thats a funny take given American history (revolutionary war and the near deity status those revolutionaries have here) and contemporary attitudes. Can’t say much more or I’m betting it’ll be removed.
Revolutionaries like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Ho Chi Minh, Kim Il-Sung, Huey P. Newton, and more are systemically demonized. The founding fathers of the US were revolutionary as far as they liberated the settler bourgeoisie from colonial tethers. Not sure what you are alluding to getting removed, Lemmy.ml is less strict than people pretend it is.
Literally trying to understand this side lol. You can look at the rest of the comments I have here. Everything I’ve read and heard, even from self described communists has been anti stalin/mao. It’s not a crazy leap to ask if Pol Pot is in the same category. I troll in shitposting communities but here I’m literally trying to hear you. I haven’t been combative or argumentative.
You can check what removed comments said by clicking the 3 dots and going to comment moderation history. Removed comments were ableist, sexist, or extremely rude. You can see many comments critical of socialism still up, despite this being a socialist community.
As for Pol Pot, Pol Pot was more of an agrarian nationalist than a socialist, and the overwhelming majority of Marxists today don’t support him. There was some Sino-Soviet split shenanigans going on back in the day with some supporting him for a time, but now we have added clarity from knowing just what actually happened there.
I can’t see them when looking at “view source” but maybe it’s because I’m on a phone. I’m still suprised by the assertion that mao and stalin were good leaders that did more good than harm. Everything I’ve read says otherwise about those two in particular. I guess both sides must be pretty good at propaganda with the truth being somewhere in the middle.
Some were permanently removed, which is usually reserved for bigotry. No way to know for those. “View source” isn’t how you view removed comments, though, you have to look at comment moderation history.
As for Stalin and Mao, both were leaders of rapidly developing socialist countries that saw mass expansions in literacy, a doubling of life expectancy under both, and much more. Stalin is still widely loved in Russia, as is Mao in China. It’s difficult to know what you are referring to when you say “more bad than good,” no Marxist thinks they were perfect of course but the idea that they played a damaging role is simply not representative of reality.
The Gulag Archipelago, Bloodlands, Mao’s Great Famin, The Great Terror, Wild Swans and Cambodia Year Zero.
Probably a couple others I’m not thinking if at the moment. All are very anti everything you’re saying. Don’t worry I’ve read plenty of anti imperialist/western books too. I am absolutely open to some recommendations that show more of you side of thinking/history though. I can buy it if available online or I do have a really good local library.
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The ritualistic demonization of revolutionaries is largely a western tradition.
Thats a funny take given American history (revolutionary war and the near deity status those revolutionaries have here) and contemporary attitudes. Can’t say much more or I’m betting it’ll be removed.
American “revolutionairy”: Slaveowning rapist bourgeois wannabe aristocrats
Maybe that has something to do with it.
Revolutionaries like Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Ho Chi Minh, Kim Il-Sung, Huey P. Newton, and more are systemically demonized. The founding fathers of the US were revolutionary as far as they liberated the settler bourgeoisie from colonial tethers. Not sure what you are alluding to getting removed, Lemmy.ml is less strict than people pretend it is.
There’s a bunch of removed comments in this thread specifically… I have no idea what they said. Would Pol Pot be in that list? If not, why?
Literally trying to understand this side lol. You can look at the rest of the comments I have here. Everything I’ve read and heard, even from self described communists has been anti stalin/mao. It’s not a crazy leap to ask if Pol Pot is in the same category. I troll in shitposting communities but here I’m literally trying to hear you. I haven’t been combative or argumentative.
Pol Pot was installed and backed by the US. What do you think?
You can check what removed comments said by clicking the 3 dots and going to comment moderation history. Removed comments were ableist, sexist, or extremely rude. You can see many comments critical of socialism still up, despite this being a socialist community.
As for Pol Pot, Pol Pot was more of an agrarian nationalist than a socialist, and the overwhelming majority of Marxists today don’t support him. There was some Sino-Soviet split shenanigans going on back in the day with some supporting him for a time, but now we have added clarity from knowing just what actually happened there.
I can’t see them when looking at “view source” but maybe it’s because I’m on a phone. I’m still suprised by the assertion that mao and stalin were good leaders that did more good than harm. Everything I’ve read says otherwise about those two in particular. I guess both sides must be pretty good at propaganda with the truth being somewhere in the middle.
Some were permanently removed, which is usually reserved for bigotry. No way to know for those. “View source” isn’t how you view removed comments, though, you have to look at comment moderation history.
As for Stalin and Mao, both were leaders of rapidly developing socialist countries that saw mass expansions in literacy, a doubling of life expectancy under both, and much more. Stalin is still widely loved in Russia, as is Mao in China. It’s difficult to know what you are referring to when you say “more bad than good,” no Marxist thinks they were perfect of course but the idea that they played a damaging role is simply not representative of reality.
I hear ya. I appreciate the conversation bud.
Books I’ve read about this subject are
The Gulag Archipelago, Bloodlands, Mao’s Great Famin, The Great Terror, Wild Swans and Cambodia Year Zero.
Probably a couple others I’m not thinking if at the moment. All are very anti everything you’re saying. Don’t worry I’ve read plenty of anti imperialist/western books too. I am absolutely open to some recommendations that show more of you side of thinking/history though. I can buy it if available online or I do have a really good local library.
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