• Diplomjodler@lemmy.world
    101·
    12 天前

    Trying to combat drug addiction through policing has been proven ineffective time and time again. You may want to rethink that one.

    • f314@lemmy.world
      44·
      12 天前

      Came to say this! Drug addicts need help, not jail. Sure, if they commit a crime police should be involved, but it’s not going to cure their addiction!

      • MintyFresh@lemmy.world
        42·
        11 天前

        Idk. I’m a public bus driver, am in pretty consistent contact with drug users. Not to mention living in amongst them in the poorer areas of tow. I’m not saying we should arrest them and give them lengthy sentences, but just leaving them on the street ain’t working out.

        I think a mandatory “time out” in a facility is in order. At least long enough to work the drugs out of their system. Maybe then they can try for a better way with a little clearer head.

        But some days it feels like I’m living in a post apocalypse mad Max type place. It’s bullshit that they’re allowed to just trash anyplace they are. There’s what’s best for them, and there’s what’s best for the rest of us. There’s gotta be something done.

        Edit: downvote me all you want, just leaving the problem to fester as we are now is neither kind nor progressive

        • wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz
          5·
          11 天前

          Their “mandatory time out” doesn’t have to be punitive, or handled by the penal system at all.

          Step one: outreach and detox
          A social worker could show up and interview them, ask them if they want help. If they do, great. Get them in a car, take them to a detox center. If someone doesn’t want to go with the social worker (which might be a majority of patients), then the social worker gets their name and contact info if they can, gives them some brochures about the program and about the benefits of recovery, and moves on to interview others.

          about non-compliant/unwilling patients:

          That’s just the first pass. Another social worker comes by on another day and sees if anyone changed their mind, and if so, great, they take them to the detox center.

          Eventually though, something will need to be done about those who are unwilling to go; for their own benefit as much as anyone else’s. This should not be done by police though. There needs to be a special task force of social workers who are trained in self-defense, weapons handling, de-escalation, non-compliance, and least-necessary-force techniques.

          Basically, they show up sometime after the second or third pass and sweep up anyone who wasn’t willing to go. They take them to a special detox facility, still a comfortable and professional clinic, but with higher security in place, so that these patients won’t present problems for the ones who went willingly.

          If they detox successfully and their behavior improves significantly, they can be given an option to move to the next step with the others. If they remain belligerent or hostile, however, they need to be taken to a special higher-security version of it where they won’t be a barrier to others’ recovery. (Again, a clean and professional facility, but the staff have more specialized training for dealing with non-compliant patients).

          Step two: residential recovery
          After they detox, transfer them to a residential recovery program with a structured regiment, complete with in-house psychosocial therapy, prescription management, and recreational therapy.

          Step three: vocational therapy
          When they graduate from this program, get them into vocational therapy or a job training program, with the option to either live on their own (if their recovery has progressed well enough), or have them move into a smaller share house with a peer recovery coach.

          That’s a three-step approach:

          (outreach)→detox→recovery→reintegration.

          By the end of it they’ll be an active contributing member of society, have community support, hobbies, be enrolled in therapy, have their prescriptions managed, and have someone to check in on them periodically to help them maintain the good habits they’ve developed.

          Step four: return to full independence
          After maybe a year in the transitional housing then they get support searching for their own place and return to full independence with a year of sobriety under their belt, but they keep access to the same therapists, recreational groups, prescription management, and can keep in touch with their peer recovery coach.

          It sounds expensive, and it does require a lot of real estate, personnel, trained professionals, food and healthcare, etc. But with how much we already spend on police and prisons, it might actually save the taxpayers money in the end. Especially with universal healthcare; this would be harder to implement in the US where prescriptions can cost over $1000 per month for no reason, but universalizing healthcare first will make it more feasible.

          • Karmanopoly@lemmy.worldOP
            147·
            12 天前

            I mean if you want to get specific what I really want is to remind police that doing drugs is illegal and they should focus on busting those people…instead of kids having fun on scooters

            • mastertigurius@lemmy.world
              4·
              12 天前

              Busting drug addicts will do ZERO to help the drug and crime problems. Even law enforcers will tell you that.

              Those problems are so much more complex, and require fundamental reforms in social policies, mental healthcare, education, youth programmes, city planning etc. And then there’s the issue of dealing with the gangs, smugglers and foreign organized syndicates bringing the stuff into the country.

              Kids driving recklessly on scooters (which are often modified) are:

              A) A danger to themselves

              B) A danger to pedestrians they could crash into

              C) A serious danger to cars that swerve to avoid them when they go out on the main road.

        • Lumelore (She/her)@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
          2·
          12 天前

          Putting someone in timeout maybe works for three year olds but it doesn’t work for adults even if you hold them there 1000 times longer. Restitution and rehabilitation is a significantly more effective solution and results in much lower recidivism. Only reason to lock someone in a box is if they present a significant danger to the public, and that’s not to punish them, but to protect others.

  • Fishnoodle@lemmy.world
    432·
    12 天前

    You get people off drugs by building a society where people aren’t being oppressed and used as slaves. Not by putting them in jail and making their life worse.

    Kids on the other hand aren’t fully mature and don’t realize that ‘just’ 30mph on a scooter can lead to a deadly crash pretty easily

    • Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz
      141·
      12 天前

      Teach the kids to use a scooter properly, all across asia children ride electrics without incident, but I am constantly hearing how dangerous they are back in America where barely anyone rides scooters.

      • Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca
        14·
        12 天前

        Yeah, when I think Singapore, I think utopia with no inequality or social pressures. The only thing bad is those pesky druggies that do simply because they’re bad people and want to do the bad drugs.

  • AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world
    11·
    11 天前

    Harm reduction and rehab centers where they can use in a safe environment is how you really help people addicted to drugs. Instead of locking them in a cage and pretending they don’t exist.

  • Dr. Bob@lemmy.caEnglish
    10·
    12 天前

    Remember that time we legalized cannabis and it had literally zero impact on society? Let’s do that with the rest of them too.

  • Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
    9·
    11 天前

    ITT: OP wanting the cops to go after people doing illegal things, but only the illegal things that OP agrees with.

    OP has no empathy and insists on being downvoted to hell rather than recognizing that they’re being a heartless hypocrite.

  • einlander@lemmy.world
    5·
    12 天前

    Well if they would fix traffic infrastructure to support bicycles and other alternative transports they would have less of a problem with this.

  • WereCat@lemmy.worldBanned from community
    5·
    12 天前

    Why would they give 12y old tickets? Don’t they have any newer ones?

  • mrgoosmoos@lemmy.caEnglish
    5·
    11 天前

    this is a weird comparison

    there are real criminals out there and OP chose drug addicts, a crime which by itself is just minding your own business

    fuck, go after the drivers endangering countless people every day. far more dangerous than drug addicts that commit crimes that affect other people

  • The Velour Fog @lemmy.world
    52·
    12 天前

    Counterpoint: parents should be given tickets for endangering their child’s lives by giving them something that can cause death or greivous injury - calling it a “toy” that goes 30+ mph ridden on public roads with no training, license, or obeying traffic signs and signals.

    One of these days it’s going to be a lawmakers kid that is going to get turned into a meat crayon. Then we might just get some reasonable legislation. I hate that it pretty much has to come down to many children dying for meaningful change to take place.

    • Karmanopoly@lemmy.worldOP
      114·
      12 天前

      USA reports 11 deaths under 16 and Canada 10

      So 21 deaths in what 15 or 20 years these have been around

      Probably around 1 per year

      How many kids have been killed by drug users or drug dealers… probably more than 1 per Year

      USA alone has so many drug related shootings they probably can’t even reliably track how many kids get shot