Cape Coral, Florida is looking at a proposal to strap AI-powered cameras onto its garbage trucks. As the trucks roll their normal routes, the cameras would scan yards and house fronts for code violati...

This is getting out of hand.

  • TrackinDaKraken@lemmy.worldEnglish
    453·
    10 days ago

    The only way to stop or reverse this is to get conservative capitalists out of our government.

    I mean aside from literal bloody revolution, which some people say is the only way. And, as much as this may be true, it will take a lot more than what has been happening so far to incite that sort of action, so the next actionable step is to vote for and support socialists to push back against the filthy rich and their corrupt cronies that infest our government at every level.

  • MangoCats@feddit.itEnglish
    23·
    10 days ago

    The problem with these, and all, automated systems that detect EVERYTHING is that current code enforcement hardly detects 0.1% of existing violations, by design. That’s how they roll. They only kick into action when somebody complains.

    Think of speeding tickets - how easy would it be for our roadside ALPR systems to time your transit from point A to point B, calculate your minimum average speed to make the trip in that time, and mail you a citation when you’re over the posted speed limit? Not hard at all, but that’s not how speeding tickets roll in this country (and most others, too.) If they really wanted total enforcement, your car already knows when you’re speeding, it can already wirelessly tattle on you to roadside monitors, they could effect 100% citation coverage if they wanted to, but whoever tries that is comitting political suicide.

    One of the reasons HOAs are such groaners is that the types of people who run for HOA president occasionally (not always) go in for this “100% enforcement” mentality and due to the utter apathy of HOA residents who can’t be bothered to depose their despot, they can persist in that mode for years. Last HOA I lived in had fearless leaders who “lived in the back” and hired an outside company to write upkeep violations, but only on houses in the front of the neighborhood.

    When I lived in a big city with a code enforcement department instead of an HOA system, things went along for decades without much flap, the occasional citation on the really persistently bad violators - as things are expected to work, but then some new neighbors moved in and attended the city-neighborhood meeting and started chanting “just enforce the law, JUST ENFORCE THE LAW” and, so, code inspectors were sent to walk the neighborhood by foot and write every violation they could see from the street. Our 400 houses got more violations written up in one day than the entire city of 40,000 homes received in the prior year.

    So, these systems that “observe 13,000 violations in a single week” need to chill out, turn the filters way way up and figure out what the 13 most important violations in the city are each MONTH and work with those property owners to get them fixed. Use the photo-scans to pre-screen citizen complaints, ensure that there’s even a problem worth sending an inspector for when the neighbor says “there’s been a junky car here up on blocks for the past 2 years and somebody needs to do something about it” the records can show whether that’s true, or a gross exaggeration before prioritizing which citizen calls get seen this week and which need to chill out and “wait their turn.”

    • grue@lemmy.worldEnglish
      211·
      10 days ago

      On the one hand, yes, fully enforcing these things would be gross overpolicing.

      On the other hand, the selective enforcement is, by design, a way to manufacture an excuse to harass and persecute minorities/undesirables.

      The correct solution is to relax or abolish the laws themselves until they diminish to the point that fully enforcing them is reasonable.

      • MangoCats@feddit.itEnglish
        151·
        10 days ago

        the selective enforcement is, by design, a way to manufacture an excuse to harass and persecute minorities/undesirables.

        Absolutely, and this is another thing that’s going to prevent “fair” algorithmic enforcement from happening.

        The correct solution is to relax or abolish the laws themselves until they diminish to the point that fully enforcing them is reasonable.

        I have always thought this, but I don’t get my jollies out of selectively “sticking it to” people different than me for the same things I get away with all the time. Apparently, a lot of our government, police, and voters do…

    • SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      10 days ago

      It is like work monitoring that can monitor every keystroke and trip to the bathroom. If you expect people to be 100% rule abiding, perfect and predictable I’ve got news for you. The people putting these systems into place would never stand for them being applied to them.

    • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      9 days ago

      The problem with these, and all, automated systems that detect EVERYTHING is that current code enforcement hardly detects 0.1% of existing violations, by design.

      True, but once it’s automated, it can easily be archived for future reference. Then it’s in your file for who knows what future use.

      • MangoCats@feddit.itEnglish
        1·
        9 days ago

        Abuse of those files is another problem. I’d say it’s a separate problem that’s possibly even more important to deal with, but it’s different from over-enforcement based on the stated purpose of the data collection.

  • Mommy Longarms@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    16·
    9 days ago

    …can yards and house fronts for code violations: overgrown grass, illegal dumping, peeling paint…

    I’m sure nobody’s going to get outrageous fines due to an AI’s false positives.

    • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      9 days ago

      I genuinely hope it does nothing but drown people in false positives, to the point where the people who put this idea forward have to leave the state under witness protection.

      • Mommy Longarms@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
        4·
        9 days ago

        Unfortunately, it’s probably just going to end up fucking a bunch of innocent people over, and the people who put the idea forward will take a nice vacation before returning to their life as normal.

        • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.worldEnglish
          1·
          9 days ago

          on an unrelated note, a pseudo-napalm is relatively easy to make with common everyday ingredients. You know, just for intellectual curiousity and nothing more.

      • HerbGrower@slrpnk.netEnglish
        1·
        9 days ago

        the people who put this idea forward have to leave the state under witness protection.

        A body bag would also be acceptable. Where are all the heavily armed libertarians when you need them?

  • Professorozone@lemmy.worldEnglish
    12·
    10 days ago

    I guess they won’t be satisfied until we are all wearing mechanical suits that will prevent us from doing anything “illegal!”

  • Gammelfisch@lemmy.worldEnglish
    11·
    10 days ago

    Of all places, the fucked up red run Florida Oblast. I thought the MAGA nutters were all about “freedom.”

    • Brewchin@lemmy.worldEnglish
      9·
      10 days ago

      Freedom (like free market, etc) means the freedom for corps to do whatever they want. The exact opposite of what Adam Smith meant.

      Classic Murica: redefine a specific term and claim it’s in line with the original definition. If you can’t beat the facts, play with the terms behind those facts. Win!

  • Boomer Humor Doomergod@lemmy.worldEnglish
    91·
    10 days ago

    My car doesn’t even shift for me and has no cameras or cellular radios, nor any software that can make internet connections.

    If she’s spying on me she’s being quite clever about it.

  • Joelk111@lemmy.worldEnglish
    81·
    9 days ago

    Not to be that smug guy who drives old cars, but I can fairly safely gaurenteed my vehicles, from '84, '85, '93, '06, and '07 are not spying on me.

    • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      9 days ago

      I’ve said this in other threads, but you are gonna see the value of old shitboxes skyrocket as they will be the last haven of privacy on the road… Until they make it illegal to drive any vehicle that doesnt record you constantly via audio/video, require a breathalyzer to start, plus 2 blood samples, a piss sample, and a Semen sample/Cervical scraping before allowing you to turn the key and enter the roadway/

      • Joelk111@lemmy.worldEnglish
        8·
        9 days ago

        Because I’m a gearhead and I like them.

        I would’ve hoped that was obvious… So, to be more specific, if that’s what you were asking:

        • '84 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Royale
          • This was my grandpa’s, so it has sentimental value.
          • No one preserved these, so it’s also super unique.
          • I’ve always loved the old land yachts, there’s nothing like driving a couch down the freeway.
        • '85 Honda Shadow VT500C
          • It’s a good little motorcycle. Reliable, cute, and slow enough that I’m less likely to kill myself on it.
        • '93 Subaru Loyale 4x4
          • This is probably the least rational, considering I own another station wagon, but I really like it. It’s easy to work on, super practical, fuel efficient, and comically slow. I take it offroading and camping often. It also isn’t worth much and doesn’t cost much to keep going.
        • '06 BMW Z4 3.0i
          • It’s a sports car. It’s fun, and probably one of the better deals in the category these days.
        • '07 Volvo XC70
          • I’ve converted this into an RV with an office, bed, and kitchen. I go on multi-week-long trips in it without needing to take time off of work.
          • It’s also been heavily modified by myself to be quite offroad capable.
          • My small community of viewers on YouTube also love this thing, so I can’t really sell it haha.

        I’ll also mention that all of these vehicles combined are worth like 10-15k, which is signifigantly less than if I owned a single “nice” vehicle, and I haven’t had to go into debt to own any of them.

        I’ll also also mention that, even as a gearhead, I generally agree with the fuck cars movement and whatnot. I want better public transit and such to get those that’d rather not be driving off the roads. Plus, driving in cities suck, I’m relieved to leave my car at home or a park ‘n’ ride and take transit into town. For how “free” America supposedly is, people sure don’t have the freedom to not own a car.

        That ended up being rather lengthy, but what’d you expect asking someone about their hobby…

  • plantfanatic@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
    5·
    10 days ago

    Interesting, bylaw stuff like this is usually complaint based, active enforcement just creates hostility with the city.

    Of course if you’re a common nuisance maybe you should be actively enforced, but it’s not just about having enough staff. There’s a balance between relations as well.

    And also, maybe the city should maintain their crap before actively targeting enforcement too….