Flight instructor: “Do your best, lol.”
Bertazzo had completed another lesson earlier that day without incident
Without… jumping to his death…? Sometimes this standard journalistic phrasing just kills me. I shouldn’t be laughing
“He’s taught many lessons, and this is the first time this type of incident ever happened. Everyone was shocked, he’d never done that before.”
What? He’d never died during a previous lesson?
I’m so glad I’m not alone in finding this so funny.
During the flight, Bertazzo allegedly told Rosario, “You know what to do” before removing his headset, arranging his belongings, taking off his seatbelt and exiting the aircraft.
… ‘exiting the aircraft’.
Yeah that’s… accurate, but seems like perhaps an overly neutral verb to use.
Yep, just stepping out for a bit, to get some air.
Fuck me, this is an actual dark comedy skit, I can swear I’ve seen some skits from back in the day where more or less this is the plot.
I guess all I can say is that I wish I could give Rosario a hug, what an awful thing to be forced into.
Probably didn’t even have the courtesy to close the door behind him
Well I suppose… at least that’s not as bad as slamming it angrily.
I.e. he waited for someone he knew could land on their own
I think it’s good they clarified, so we know he hasn’t made a habit of jumping out, just to be swept up and caught by all his other trainees
If the student had a PPL, it’s likely she was training with him (a commercial pilot) for her IL instrument license, the next step up from PPL. Means she was qualified to land in clear weather.
He wasn’t putting her in physical peril. But it’s still a terrible mental burden to put on someone else.
During the flight, Bertazzo allegedly told Rosario, “You know what to do” before removing his headset, arranging his belongings, taking off his seatbelt and exiting the aircraft.
Importantly, the article also says she was trained, but still needed some hours with an instructor or pilot before being allowed to fly solo. He must have decided his other student that day wasn’t ready but felt she’d be safe without him. Better than some suicidal pilots who have crashed the whole plane.
Landings are pretty much your first focus after basic air work, and you can solo in 15-20 hours typically. A full license is around 80 hours (at least here in Canada), and she had a ppl already.
When i soloed my instructor was kind enough to get out of the plane while we were on the ground. What a horrible experience for this student.
Better than some suicidal pilots
Is this a common occurrence?
It isn’t what I would call “common”, but it happens: Suicide by aircraft
Most of those are the pilot crashing alone, but there have been some high-profile crashes of commercial flights that have either been confirmed or are strongly suspected to have been intentional, like EgyptAir 990, Germanwings 9525, and SilkAir 185. The mysteriously missing MH370 was also likely an intentional act.
I wouldn’t call it common but there’s been enough for a Wikipedia page:
She had a private licence, so she was more than capable of flying solo.
Did you actually read the article?
Rosario already had a private pilot license but was still building up her flying hours, meaning she was required to fly with an instructor or safety pilot.
She was required to specifically not fly solo due to her inexperience. Source: the article
Do you realise how little journalists know about aviation? I wouldn’t trust them to know which end of the plane goes forward.
Don’t say “did you read the article?” when someone states something that’s in the article if you’re going to turn around and say “well, the article is wrong”. It makes it sound like you didn’t read the article.
I will never understand why people do things like this. You want to end your life? Cool. Why do you feel this need to traumatize and/or murder others in the process?
Also really, really wish we as a species took mental health more seriously.
Maybe the idea was that he could end his life, without risking crashing the plane? Why he chose this method specifically will, unfortunately, never be answered.
Yup, no way to know. Maybe he had a psychotic break in that moment and didn’t ever expect to do it. I just have a concentrated hatred for people who do these things and take innocent people with them.
I imagine it’s more like an intrusive thought when he was vulnerable. He was likely having a bad time, feeling desperate and suicidal with no help. Then the thought came that he could just open the door, so he did. No planning, no consideration, no real thought once triggered. Other people just weren’t relevant
Arguably if you have the wherewithal to consider other people, there’s at least a sliver of something to live for
And furthermore, this makes the other person a suspect in your death. Just a super shitty way to do it all around.
A lot of people include “I don’t give a shit about anyone else” in their “I don’t give a shit [about myself]” suicidal thoughts.
- Ex-cop, dealt with lots of suicide-by-cop attempts and investigated a lot of suicides
If someone’s so traumatised as to end their life this way, they’re probably not very concerned about the consequences. Not excusing this, it’s still terrible, just trying to explain it for myself.
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I understand.
As a country. Metal health in America is bullshit. Other countries take it way more seriously.
The story says this happened in Argentina.
I sometimes make jokes about Nazis fleeing to Argentina but I really dont know much about the country’s culture.
Argentina, a possibly more mentally unwell country also saddled with way too many insane tech bros and libertarian sociopaths.
Yes, I was specifically talking about America. I don’t know how mental health is in Argentina.
Edit: Not entirely sure why I’m being downvoted here. Why would I talk about mental health care in Argentina? I’ve never sent foot into the country and the only thing I know about it is that the city of Buenos Aires is in it.
You’re probably being dogpiled for perceived Ameri-centrism.
The irony, in my mind, is that while you were kinda veering the discussion in a different direction, per your edit you explicitly did so because you have no knowledge of mental healthcare in Argentina which is very much not Ameri-centrism.
If I had to put words to most of the downvotes, they would probably say “fuck you, this is a discussion about Argentina’s mental healthcare, not mental healthcare more broadly,” which again in a bit of irony, detracts from the discussion of how to address mental health crises.
I think it’s just annoyance at the idiomatic use of “America” when the discussion is about the Americas.
Huh, never considered that.
It’s hard to get into the minds of a sea of semi-anonymous voters to determine their motivations. I’m sure they all had their own reasons, and yours may be one of them.
The minds of the sea of semi-anonymous lemmings is likely hard to understand due to endemic parochialism in the USA.
Ah, the double-down. Interesting gambit
Doubling down on what? Do you know what “doubling down” actually means?
The comment I replied to was talking about humanity as a species. I responded by narrowing the discussion to individual countries because mental health care varies dramatically from one country to another. Some countries have excellent mental health systems; others don’t. The United States, in my view, has a particularly poor one.
The fact that the original incident occurred in Argentina is irrelevant to the point I was making.
More importantly, I can only speak from my own experience. I’ve lived in the United States for the overwhelming majority of my life, so that’s the system I know. Why would I pretend to speak authoritatively about countries I’ve never lived in?
not any better
Is there an American defaultism community on Lemmy yet?
I think we really need it lol
Yes, I was specifically talking about America.
story about suicide
Entertainment section
This sort of this should get websites permabanned from Lemmy as a source.
Fuck you, dexerto
My name’s not dexerto and stop telling me to fuck off! I’m sick of everyone ganging up on me!
> Is a licensed fly instructor
> Can not flyThose who can, do…
(Side note: I’m a language teacher for a language I began learning as an adult in a country where it is the national language, so, while I don’t support the quote in general or apply it to any other teachers, it’s definitely something that my brain sometimes snipes at me during moments of impostor syndrome)
I know that quote as well and I think that this quote is very bad. It shows an aversion to learning in general.
No wonder that the US population is so poorly educated.
That’s not the spirit of the quote, though it’s not entirely your fault. It’s better reflected in the original, attributed to Aristotle: “Those who can, do; those who understand, teach.”
There are a whole host of reasons someone may not be able to “do”. Maybe they used to effectively “do”, but got hurt, or just got too old. It could be the simple recognition that teaching is the “do”, because of your deep understanding and ability to communicate and inspire.
It recognizes a conscious choice not to stubbornly attempt or continue to “do”, but to instead take a back seat and direct your energy into others who will “do” more effectively than you ever could. It’s about wisdom, self-awareness, and taking the long view. You are readying the next generation of do-ers, passing the torch, perhaps multiplying your efforts and extending your life’s impact further into the future.
So it is basically a misquote?
Looks like it first appeared in a 1903 play. Without much more context I’d guess it started as a playful, ironic reinterpretation which over a long period of time turned into a disparagement.
I think it comes from jobs where a physical limitation prevents people from “doing,” like retired athletes or really experienced surgeons who develop a tremor. Or even just people who no longer have the physical strength to do manual labor, but have a repertoire of techniques that will help others do it more effectively.
I agree that the quote doesn’t apply to teachers in general.
The US isn’t especially poorly educated on average.
The US is so unequally educated for many reasons, but the biggest one is the cost, which is mostly due to (as always) Reagan. He defunded K-12 education and public universities. When universities raised their prices in response, the government, which had been offering some need based student loans regardless of major since the sixties, greatly expanded the program, partially privatizing it. In order to make loans to very young people without immediate employment prospects a less risky investment, the loans were made unable to be discharged in bankruptcy. The increase in available loans allowed universities to further increase costs without risking pricing their applicant pools out. That became a vicious cycle and the tuitions and loans became so bloated that many graduates start with six figures in debt. It’s not a good deal for a lot of students, and it’s a worse deal, the less stable the finances of your family, unfortunately.
Incredibly cruel. What a monster.
student pilot successfully landed a plane by herself
Illustration picture is a man.
This is infuriating.
That’s a picture of the instructor not the student
Who cares about the instructor?
Probably his family that’s still processing and mourning his odd suicide.
Attempted homocide, you mean?
Suicide harms more than the individual committing it, yes.
There’s also the wreckless abandonment of a person under your immediate proxy
I thought it was some rando pilot they found.
“We need a picture of a pilot for this tragic story. Not smiling, stupid.”
She’s 22, quite possible she didn’t want her photo being put online
I don’t think Bertazzo died “mid-flight”
Mid-landing, really
Came here to post this.
Man, I thought i disappointed some teachers.
Ah, a regular article for the “entertainment” category.
Despite the shocking turn of events, Rosario managed to… safely bring the Cessna back to the airfield without damaging the aircraft.
What a bizarre thing to say. Well, phew, I guess. Lucky the aircraft wasn’t damaged by the single female pilot who already had her licence and was just building up hours. Me and all other males in the world would have expected her woman-brain to take over and cause her to panic-land while doing a backflip and simultaneously rolling her ankle or some shit apparently.
I’m seriously struggling to understand why “without damaging the aircraft” was added to the sentence.
Making the point about the damage is more relevant tan you making it a gender thing. But agree it was a strange note for a deadly situation.
Simple, people assume “student pilot” means doom without realizing how far along people fly with instructors.
I think it’s much to assume the surprise is about gender instead of the word “student”.
I suppose. However this line then doesn’t sit right:
[The] student pilot named Rosario already had a private pilot license but was still building up her flying hours
Strictly speaking she was in the role of a student, but it’s not like she didn’t know what she was doing. If she already had a private pilot licence, what else is there to assume?
She was flying with a flight instructor in the role of student. I think that’s enough for a lay person to take those words at face value, not knowing what a PPL means. Even if they searched it up, they’d see 40 hours of flight time, and that’s similar to the requirement to give a teenager a driver’s license, and it may be hard to square that with landing a plane, which is a very intimating task to people who have mostly never flown an aircraft.
I’ve seen similar stories about incapacitated flight instructors and celebration of student pilots making it out safely, and I think the reporting is similarly “surprised” about a mere “student” getting out unscathed whether male or female.
To reinforce the point: This is a very stressful situation to place an experienced pilot in where essentially your copilot commits suicide during the flight. I’m sure there are a lot of experienced pilots who might make a mistake in the shock of that scenario.
Yes this headline is clearly intended to reinforce the patriarchy rather than to get clicks and sound more suspenseful. And everyone was thinking about the pilot’s gender before you brought it up.
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It was sarcasm. Your sentence was fine except the typo which has nothing to do with language skills.
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Are we sure she didn’t kick him out? Seems very sus
His shift was over
Clock out time is clock out time, especially if you get in trouble for overtime.
- Me, fired over an overtime dispute
Why the fuck is this under “/entertainment” on that site?
Are you not entertained?
No, since there are no onions.
/s
Not with a porn that starts this way. I quite frankly couldn’t finish
