Terminator (1984), Terminator 2 (1991), and The Matrix (1999) have entered the chat…
Don’t forget Mad Max
Soylent Green. Alphaville. Logan’s Run. A Clockwork Orange.
Planet of the Apes.
Spoiler for Planet of the Apes
Mad Marx
Terminator: “War is inevitable.”
Terminator 2: “Actually, maybe not.”
Terminator 3: “Oh yeah, never mind, there it is.”
Terminator: Arnie is the bad guy
Terminator 2: no wait, the first one made him a huge star so he’s the hero now!
Terminator 3: Quick, let’s squeeze one last one out before he becomes The Governator in a few months!
I thought Terminator 4 was pretty good, but I like that you didn’t even give an opinion on Terminator 5
Would be pretty unfair of me anyway, since I’ve only seen the first two myself 😁
MelodiousFunk: They made a Terminator 3?
Apparently 🤷🏻
Me putting the 3rd in to rewatch if it was that bad:
True Names (1981), Software (1982), Neuromancer (1984), Hardwired (1986), Wetware (1988)
Cyberpunk is lowlife and high tech. It’s completely dystopian. The early 1980s was the height of the Cold War with Reagan in power. People were not optimistic about the future in the 1980s, they were just hoping that it wouldn’t end in a nuclear war.
The third, believe it or not, windows 95 desktop background.
I do miss feeling optimistic about the future
Don’t worry, we were fucked since before you were born. We overshot our ecosystem long, long ago, it just takes decades for the consequences to catch up.
You’re just in the wrong country, aligned with the wrong set of politics, speaking the wrong language.
The future isn’t American anymore. The future is Mexican and Brazilian. The future is African. The future is Chinese.
Climate change doesn’t stop at the border, lol.
The ability to endure it and survive - even thrive - in the face of it will vary heavily based on national leadership.
Tell that to the vast swathes of the globe, including China, due to face lethal wet bulb temperatures within the next 10-20 years. Which, along with mass death, means massive breadbasket failures on multiple fronts. Ain’t politicking our way out of this one, chief.
Yeah, and someone was just arguing with me in a different thread saying vertical warehouse farming is stupid and we should just grow our crops in the ground outside 🙄
Like, I’m trying to be helpful here, but sure let’s continue to make no systemic changes to the way things are done and just be frustrated when our problems only continue to get worse…
lethal wet bulb temperatures
Europe wants to rebalance trade with Beijing, but can’t quit Chinese air conditioners
One country is producing all of the world’s air conditioners. I wonder if they’re in a better position to endure wet-bulb temperatures than their peers.
Ain’t politicking our way out of this one, chief.
They absolutely can and will. This is a country that can build the infrastructure to keep people from dying of overheating. What’s more, this is the country that can export that infrastructure globally, such that its allies will see improved survivability. And that will have cascading knock-on effects.
The ability to survive climate change is the ability to operate as a global center of gravity.
I think you missed the ‘massive breadbasket failures’ part of my comment. You can’t air condition a field of rice. Well, you could, but good luck trying that on the scale needed to feed everyone once crops begin to fail globally.
You do realize how many people in the world live in houses that aren’t even fully-enclosed, right? Usually in some of the places that will be most impacted by climate change, too. Air conditioners won’t be of much help to them.
Also, do you know how much coal China burns each year?
many people in the world live in houses that aren’t even fully-enclosed, right?
It’s crazy that you treat this as an insurmountable obstacle. Much less that there’s no political cache in surmounting it.
Kind of, I guess. Depends on if there any animals larger than a cat left after the temperature change stops and levels off.
Depends if we can adapt them quickly enough to survive.
Brazil has been dismantling our biotech sector for 20 years now, so I’m not optimist, but YMMV.
Anyway, I’m more optimist on avoiding problem than on dealing with it.
Yeah just do your best and help others while you’re here, lol.
High temperatures don’t preclude large lifeforms. Just ask the dinosaurs.
But you need the ability to adapt at speed and scale for the entire ecological colony. You can’t rely on biomes that cater exclusively to a handful of apex predators.
The rate of change is faster than any in the planet’s history, I don’t have high hopes for many species surviving.
The planet has been undergoing the 6th global extinction event in its history for over 30,000 years. During this time period, humanity has flourished even as millions of other species have died out.
That, and natural resources. Idk how many freshwater lakes and rivers Mexico has but it’s not looking good for the ones they do have.
I mean the ability to survive it will be based on where you are located. And for the billions that are unable to survive it, they will either start wars with those who can, or will die in the process, or both.
Or peacefully migrate to areas that are sustainable and contribute to the project of rebuilding.
But, again, the capacity to build and supply life sustaining amenities and the political willingness to distribute them in order to curry political favor rather than just generate profit will be central to a country’s power projection into the late 21st century.
So where is that going to be? If the rest of the world doesn’t run that way (which isn’t possible), what do you think happens then? When sea rise lifts things a couple of meters, billions are displaced. You aren’t simply going to put them somewhere else. Europe currently is struggling with climate and war migrants, the US is the same.
the rest of the world doesn’t run that way (which isn’t possible)
It is possible. And the bitter irony is that it would be better for everyone on average. Just not better for a few specific people on the whole.
When sea rise lifts things a couple of meters, billions are displaced.
Where will they run to? Not the US Gulf Coast or the Dutch flatlands. Not to the low lying Caribbean Islands or the coastline of Japan or Australia.
The most Climate Change friendly regions are going to be high altitude but still retain access to lots of potable water. Curiously enough, that looks like… Iran, Venezuela, Afghanistan, and the Horn of Africa.
All those Western yahoos screaming about illegal immigrants are on track to become ones. And right back to the countries they spent generations pissing off.
Doubtful. Climate change as well as its economic impact will affect most of these areas especially hard
Elder millennial here. I knew I was in an earth destroying dystopia the entire time.
Yeah we grew up causing and then fixing an ozone hole.
lol ignoring the entire Cold War
Finally, all the time in the world to read my books.
(1953) The War of the Worlds
(1966) Fahrenheit 451
(1973) Soylent Green
(1984) 1984
(1999) Matrix
(2004) Children of Men
(2012) The Hunger Games
(1984) 1984
Thanks for the list, ChatGPT.
Hmm, I think you’ve got a mistake in there bud. /s
It’s a fair joke.
That last example is from the original Fallout game, which came out in the late 90s, not the 2020s.
Educated people saw the 2020 vision as far back as 1950s. They warned us many times, but we never listened.
“we”
You mean the rich and powerful who could’ve solved the systemic environmental issues didn’t, who got it told directly all the time. Who could’ve done something against Exxon and the others. Don’t lump the masses together with such assholes.
I mean ‘we’ as everyone collectively, as society. It’s just manner of speaking. I wasn’t even alive for most of the time frame mentioned, so I’m perfectly aware not everyone was actually able to ‘listen’ to the warnings.
I mean… people have been calling the apocalypse since ancient times. Because that’s reality. Every civilization falls, every society fails, and it’s often via war and violence. We simply have been able to become more connected and harm each other on larger scales over time.
And when exactly did humanity ever had the power to destroy the planet prior to the industrial revolution?
You’re just repeating one of the usual shit arguments climate deniers are spouting daily.
We still don’t have the ability to destroy the planet. We just will make it uninhabitable for the number of humans that are currently here, which has happened quite a lot in human history.
This is exactly what those who are broadly portrayed as visionaries want.
Unfortunately, it never seems to have dawned on the general public that those who market themselves this way were never the visionaries.
Take Dennis Ritchie, for example, one of the original creators of C, who died just days before Steve Jobs: The media went out of their way to emphasize what a loss humanity had suffered, while failing to acknowledge that someone had died to whom humanity owes a great deal. They celebrated only the greedy capitalist who knew how to market a technology, but not at all the rather humble man who made a tremendous contribution without enriching himself at the expense of the common good.
That was a long time ago, but today’s world is still exactly the same - it even got way worse from there: no recognition for those who actually achieve great things, but only for those who step into the spotlight and thus appear to be the ones to whom humanity owes something.
In my view, this encapsulates everything one needs to know about our time—the absurdity of charlatans desperately wanting to be billionaires or even trillionaires.
This attitude has nothing to do with the real world, and it is a hubris that no halfway decent person would ever presume to have—yet humanity is ruled by exactly these megalomaniacal monsters because it collectively allows it.
So we are ruled by the worst that humanity has to offer—by unscrupulous opportunists who live only for themselves, have no sense of community, and have set up a system of undeserved triumph in such a way that only their own despicable kind can follow them.
It is a system that is directed against humanity itself.
I’d love a site full of sources of the real inventors of shit I can shove into the faces of people who think fucking musk is actual iron man 🙄🙄🙄🙄 the disinformation is so strong.
I’m afraid that’s just as hard—if not impossible—as figuring out which artists created all those iconic Disney characters. That’s just how soulless corporations are.
I could never handle building a site like that myself because just doing the research would be so absolutely depressing.
I think I’d cum if I stepped into that 2000’s future. Place looks hella cool. 1950’s future just looks like car dependent AI slop and 1980’s future looks really bright and light polluting
Well, if we had risen up against the rich, instead of letting them rule the world at least the last image would have been avoided.
Keep dreaming m8
Oh hey! It’s me! I’m people in the 2020s!!
If the rich end up in doomsday bunkers while the rest of us have to deal with the shit world they ruined for the rest of us, we better make it our mission to… plug any holes we find, if you know what I mean. Not suggesting violence that could get me banned or whatever, just make sure that the outside air don’t get in. Public service.
Not suggesting violence that could get me banned or whatever, just make sure that the outside air don’t get in.
this is Lemmy, nobody cares.
when the Apocalypse happens, and all the rich Nazis go down into their bunkers I’m going to become Lee Marvin, Charles Bronson, Jim Brown from The Dirty Dozen. I’ll pour gasoline down the air vents and then start chucking grenades down them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdWdqZwC_bc
killing Nazis is hard work, but it’s honest work.
Christ that movie didn’t hold up
They will quickly perish in those stupid bunkers anyway. They have no valuable practical skills, and are total assholes. Stuck in a small, closed system, with tons of ordinary people keeping the things running, and with their own greedy “loyal” lackeys… And if they leave the people out, they will die even faster, as things start to fail without skillful mainteinance.
I guess there’s some solace or hope to be found in the fact that all the previous predictions weren’t accurate?
I was listening to that old song called Dust in the Wind by Kansas and there’s that line that goes nothing lasts forever but the Earth and Sky, and I thought, those lucky bastards thinking that the Earth and sky would last forever, what a comfort that would be. I can deal with the natural inevitability of death, but knowing that the Earth will die because we’re killing it really fucks me up.
The Earth will be fine. Humans, not so much.
You might want to read the old book Earth Abides. Sure, humans may screw things up, but just like the meteor that killed the dinosaurs, the planet will be just fine.
These are all just the optimist’s dream. Following that, you could imagine “how people in the 2020’s see the future:” and then put the AI techno-optimist view of a post-work utopia where robots do our bidding.
