There’s no question that judging women by their appearance is a widespread problem, but doing expensive/unsafe medical things for the sake of appearance is also about personality.
Yes… a personality often built off the unhealthy relationship society has with women’s physical appearance. Sure, women can not care, but their lives will often unfortunately be much more difficult for it. Even accounting for the effort put into their appearance. These things are not so easily divorced in reality as they are in online discussions.
I’m not ignoring societal pressures, but at some point you have to take responsibility for your priorities. I assume you wouldn’t excuse billionaires as just participating in capitalism and doing what they’re “supposed” to do. The harm of invasive medical procedures and medications for aesthetic reasons seems like a good place to draw the line and say “you have a problem”
comparing woman and the societal struggle they are forced through just by existing is not the same as choosing to maintain an evil system of financial oppression on the working class.
this is a poor argument.
But they’re pressured into it
Am I supposed to know Ariana Grande on some deep interpersonal level to realize that she looks like a walking corpse?
Yes
A fun fact about opinions is that you can keep that shit to yourself. I dont know you but I’m not gonna offer my opinion cuz no one asked. Just because we all have a soapbox doesn’t mean we gotta use it
“That’s just like your opinion man…”
A fun fact about opinions is that you can keep that shit to yourself
Good thing they didn’t offer an opinion.
Ariana Grande looks insanely unhealthy, like a skeleton, and appears to be in a health crisis with either ED or GLP1 abuse.
That isn’t an opinion, that’s a fact. She’s undeniably not naturally that bone thin, nor that inactive during her performances like she’s been recently.
Wow she responded to Lemmy
“The body that you’ve been comparing my current body to was the unhealthiest version of my body. I was on a lot of antidepressants and drinking on them and eating poorly,” she said. “[I was] at the lowest point of my life when I looked the way you consider my healthy, but that in fact wasn’t my healthy.”
(Actually April 2023)
OK all done with celebrity stuff for the month then! :) cared enough to quickly search once and accidentally found this^ but not opining
This might be shocking to learn, but someone who’s clearly going through a health crisis and is clearly extremely unhealthy due to an ED or GLP1 misuse, may actually lie about being unhealthy to get the scrutiny off of them.
Not to mention Ariana went 30+ years not looking like an actual skeleton. No way in fuck her prior body was less healthy.
But this is your opinion that you are sharing even though nobody asked which kind of invalidates your opinion in a way that is humorous
Not an opinion to state that you can keep your opinion to yourself
I think its reasonable to bring attention to the extremely harmful act of women, who are held by society as the beauty standard, are anorexic or abusing weight loss drugs when it isn’t necessary.
We have countless studies on the ill effects idolizing women with unrealistic body standards, especially to the point they’re harming themselves to achieve them, has on women and young girls. This recent revival of the “heroine chick” beauty standard via eating disorders and GLP1 abuse is a nightmare to the psyche of women and girls, and also does damage the psyche of men and young boys for that matter.
“Heroin chic” is the fashion of looking starved and shadowed as if you’re a heroin addict.
“Heroine chick” is Supergirl
Because society tells attractive women our value is primarily being attractive and losing that is scary since most people aren’t willing to give up the only thing that makes them valuable
When I got fat, people were assholes to me so much more often. They had no patience for me, it was crazy. I got back in shape and I’m worth courtesy and kindness again, apparently.
I’m afraid of aging in part because I’m scared to lose that basic human decency again.
Halo effect is real, most people aren’t self aware enough to realize that they do in fact bias their judgements of others based on how attractive they find them.
1). Society tells women they need to do things “preventively” to avoid becoming hideous goblins in a few years. That’s why you see 22 year olds getting Botox - they have been told they have to start paying NOW to avoid wrinkles
2). Hollywood and entertainment media have normalized unrealistic standards. And you can’t become a newcomer in that space without conforming to the employable look
3). Gossip media loves to pick apart any millimetre of fat (“Is ______ pregnant? Click to see her baby bump!”) or photo taken in bad lighting (“What is wrong with ______ ‘s health, click to see what our medical specialists have to say”). And then they love to chastise people after they give into plastic surgery (“Click to see ______’s terrible nose job, why DID she do it??”)
Billions of dollars are made making women feel shitty. Nobody is going to let that cash go because morals.
This meme is part of the system here as well.
No one in this thread is complaining about ugly women getting these procedures done. They want women to be attractive, but only on their terms.
Yes it’s irritating that society can celebrate the good qualities of men who aren’t physically attractive (sense of humour, intelligence, kindness, etc.) but has such trouble accepting that a woman who isn’t physically attractive can have worthwhile qualities. We can’t seem to compute when a woman decides that she has other priorities.
Fuck the patriarchy. All my homies hate the patriarchy.
Oh boy a thread about women’s bodies, I’m sure this will be a civil and rational discussion and definitely won’t have misogynistic views throughout the entire thing.
Insecurity :(
Not a woman, so I could be full of shit. It does seem to me that women face much more pressure to be conventionally attractive, especially in image-intensive jobs like acting.
Very true, and already-attractive women started being told how pretty they were while they were younger so it became part of their identity and sense of self-worth. So they’re vulnerable to the fear of “losing their looks.”
Maybe a bit like kids being told they are “smart” and “gifted” turns a lot of them into workaholics with a fear of skill-based failure.and coping mechanisms around that.
A lot is advertising. Dude im 40F. It’s nonstop advertising to get fillers. Botox. Implants. Ozempic.
Constantly bombarded with it.
Firefox + uBlock origin. No more targeted ads.
I get them on Instagram a lot. I already use Firefox and ublock. And have targeted advertising turned off.
Doesn’t seem to matter.
If you must use Instagram, do it from a browser with uBlock origin or other adblocking. Those ads are harmful for your health. If that’s not possible and you really want a change, quit using it. The platform’s sole purpose is to make you feel like shit by comparing you to “others” so they can sell you useless crap.
Thanks for the tip. I do usually use the app.
Yeah I use Instagram mostly to follow artists. I don’t follow Instagram personalities selling stuff. Even the political stuff I follow is from artist and organizations. Not “models”.
I’m also not on Instagram every day.
So I’m not really at risk for having body or self esteem issues. Honestly never have problems with those because I’m arrogant and don’t think body/looks is very important compared to things like empathy and common decency.
So I’m a hostile defensive “victim”. Not sure how else to describe it.
But if I think someone is trying to manipulate me or make me a victim I kinda get really mad really fast.
Not just me but I feel the same if I see someone trying to do it to someone else.
Like one time this guy tried to mug me (sort of) and I cussed him out cause I was so angry he thought I was an easy target. The audacity. Like a full on white trash cussing out. I didn’t even know I could come up with creative shit like that on the fly but I guess the magic was in me all along.
He didn’t have a weapon. Was just a huge dude trying to say if I didn’t give him money he was going to hurt me. A 5ft 2 woman.
How dare he!? Who tf did he think he was?
Who tf did he think I was?
Cause I’m bout to tell him.
He did in fact, walk away after saying something about me needing a leash or something.
Like, I’m pretty pleasant and friendly most of the time but I have some kind of defensive trigger when it comes to predatory people or predatory advertising (most of it is).
Dude my gorgeous friend 38 getting filler. Now looks like she’s ate some shellfish she’s allergic to.
Keeps getting it every 6 months or so.
Just awful.
I can’t tell her cause that will make her feel even worse.
God I hope she stops. I’m angry at the advertisement and grifters that convinced her she needed it.
We are both millennials. Aka ageless women. None of us even look our age anyway. And she’s thinking she needs to fix her perfect face.
Idk. I just reject all that nonsense. I’m ready to experience this whole life. I want to be an older woman when I’m older. I don’t want to be one way forever. Boring.
But culture tells women they are worthless when they are less fuckable. I hate it.
We are both millennials. Aka ageless women. None of us even look our age anyway.
Is this a thing?? I’m a millennial and don’t look my age and have noticed the same for plenty of other women around my age. I’ve always wondered about it, but hadn’t heard of it in a broad sense.
Yeah it’s kind of a running joke but true. I suspect it’s because of sunscreen and a lot of us never smoked. Idk. Our generation just seems to look younger.
People can’t believe I’m in my 40s now. I also have a baby-face so that just adds to it. And I’ve always been good about wearing face sunscreen because im pasty and burn easy.
Never smoked.
Also no kids.
I see the generations after us looking older than us. I don’t know what changed.
Heavy makeup is a thing for the older generations and the younger generations.
I think I’ve only worn full face makeup 3x in my life. If/when I ever do put on makeup, it’s typically mascara. Every now and then eyeliner and eyeshadow. That’s literally it.
That could also be a factor. I too wear no makeup most days. And even when I do it’s a little macara or something. Haven’t worn full face makeup since a few times as a teenager for like homecoming or something
I suspect many of them overdo skincare, diet, etc.
Ive been washing my face with bar soap since I was a teen. That’s my skincare routine. And I grew up eating junk food. Though I do eat better now. 🤷
I’m the same but with moisturizer (I typically make my own out of cocoa butter, coconut oil, and olive oil) and sunscreen. Also I don’t wear foundation and only wear makeup for nights out and other occasions. I get the occasional zit, but my face is aging gracefully for now.
My hair on the other hand, I do very little for and is a disaster.
But yeah I think that it’s really possible to overdo skincare, especially if you buy into all the propaganda that the beauty industry puts out.
My wife, 38, objectively gorgeous, is fully on the botox train and it breaks my heart. Feels like its so prevalent a sizeable chunk of the population must have full on body dysmorphia.
I lost about 100lbs on a prescription similar to ozempic. The world is much kinder to me now. I got a promotion, more hours working, society is friendlier and kinder. I would recommend anyone considering it talk to their doctor.
I also lost about 100 pounds by eating one meal a day and walking a lot and using the EC stack.
In the span of seven years, I nearly quintupled my income.
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I dunno, I think the tides of public opinion are shifting on ozempic. Mostly because of how absolutely awful being fat is on your body. Though, where it’s priced now it’s going to remain a designer drug for vain, rich assholes with a touch of sour grapes for everyone else.
In my own opinion I wouldn’t even put it in the same category as those others.
Like most things, Ozempic is fine by itself. But when you put it in the context of a society obsessed with both unrealistic beauty standards and assigning moral weight to any perceived “flaw,” Ozempic is a fast track to returning to the eating disorder epidemic of the 1980s-2000s.
Future historians will also note the coincidence of the meteoric rise of Ozempic with the rise of fascism. Making people feel bad about themselves is how the ruling class and patriarchy exert control. They want you to be unhealthily obsessed with your weight, just as they want you to be addicted to drugs, porn, video games, etc. The radical body acceptance movement was a direct threat to their power, and Ozempic has pretty much removed it from the conversation.
Ozempic causes GI issues, such as paralysis, and numerous other issues like fatigue and depression because starving yourself isn’t healthy. Just exercise and eat a better diet. Exercise is so good for you that fat people who exercise are actually healthier than people of a healthy weight who are sedentary. No fucking way would I ever go on a weight loss drug.
I’m not sure where you read that, but as far as I know it doesn’t cause people to starve themselves. It suppresses hunger so they eat a normal amount of food in an era where calorie-dense, hyperpalatable food is the norm.
Diet and exercise is the gold standard, but some people just can’t regulate their diet for whatever reason. Be it discipline or genetics. Ultimately though it doesn’t matter because the bottom line is a staggering amount of people are at an unhealthy weight.
Being overweight is so bad for your health that known side effects of a drug like ozempic are negligible in comparison. The ones we know about, anyway.
https://wernerhoffman.com/mass-tort-lawyer/ozempic-stomach-paralysis/
It’s like 1/20 patients.
Thanks for coming in with that. From what I’ve heard from my family members in healthcare I knew it was bad, I just didn’t have any actual data.
That’s pretty fucking high
Like with most new drugs it’s something to keep an eye on, though I would be weary of using a source with such a significant financial bias.
I didn’t read it. I had a doctor tell that to me.
I’m honestly just waiting to see what kind of new side-effects gets listed in the next 5-10 years with these weightloss drugs. I wouldn’t risk anything with this level new medicine, and I’m struggling with losing weight right now.
Self hatred is an industry. The manosphere is one part, and the beauty industry is the other - both trying to make you hate yourself and then sell you the cure. It’s emotional and psychological grifting.
Patriarchy
e: Some dudes apparently can’t take accountability and they gotta downvote me to prove their point
and misogyny
I just want you to know that I’m downvoting you because the way you express your opinion is facile and simplistic, and honestly helps further the division you purport to critique. Not because I necessarily disagree with the general sentiment you believe you’re trying to convey.
One word answers to problems are easy, but they rarely accurate enough to actually help solve the issue and generally are used to push people to extreme opinions. It’s much less effort to just spout a catchphrase to push people towards your own personal goal rather than get into an actually beneficial discussion about the ins and outs of how life actually works and how to solve real world problems.
Thats fair. You’re way better at getting a point across than I am
Women put pressure on other women too. Girls can be bullies in school.
I’m not downvoting you, but I am disputing the assertion that only men uphold unfair standards.
patriarchy ultimately benefits men*, but all people can wield it for at least crumbs of power
when you’re a woman who conforms to patriarchal standards, stepping on the women who don’t helps you look better in the eyes of men*, and so it gives you more power relative to the women you stepped on
* i am talking about men as a social class here, not men as individual people. before someone not-all-men’s me.
Yeah men love the catty bitch stereotype of women, the one who tears down other women over shallow nonsense.
Men tear down women just for the love of the game apparently.
I’m sure some do.
Like OP :)
Internalized misogyny is a thing.
Wait I’m confused, if patriarchy is still a thing then why are all women in media strong independent “need no man” girl bosses now? Somebody please explain.
Because if there wasn’t a patriarchy they’d be able to just be people like everyone else.
They’re just another marketing arm of the patriarchy.
If we evolved from monkeys why we we still got monkeys
My wife has been getting GLP-1 ads constantly. She weighs 110 lb and has struggled with anorexic tendencies since she was a teenager. Consumerism has no conscience.
I kind of hate that this implies “ugly” women will not be judged here for using the same beauty procedures as already attractive women.
Not to mention that these beauty procedures are also sought out by men.
Wholesome plot twist; the “already attractive women” includes all the women.
On Lemmy?
Haaaaaahahahahaha
Hahahahahahahahahahahaha
It’s a nice thought regardless :)
I’m certain that all women are attractive in somebody’s eye.
There are definitely some thirsty fuckers out and about.
You don’t need to defend OP. There’s a reason “already attractive women” is used.
Reverse discrimination, nice.
More like targeted discrimination. OP is a man judging a subset of women.
Changing your looks can help a lot with confidence.
She has Graves’ disease.
That requires the hideous mods she did to her face?
She was super super pretty, even if not your type, she looked great. Wtf did she do.
She lost a shit ton of weight because of Graves’ disease. Edit: I just remembered, the steroids used to treat Graves’ disease also affect how your face looks.
She also had some work done, but not anything more than any other actress has generally.
People really don’t understand how hard thyroid issues will impact your body and appearance.
Seems like a lot of the time they’re doing it for other women.
