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Librewolf
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Brave users will probably prefer Waterfox, as it has a couple QoL features that are useful.
Zen?
I like the idea of Zen but hate the tabs on the side. Can I change it?
There is a specific reason why you prefer horizontal tabs? If the problem is space: there are many way to fix this, if not, then you are better off using another browser, many Zen features are made around the vertical tabs
For me, the key to dealing with the vertical tabs was to set the tab bar to auto hide. I’d still prefer horizontal tabs, but at least I get the space back.
Use natsumi browser instead :3
I keep meaning to try Zen. I have it installed on my desktop for like, jeez, at least a year. Yet to start it up.
Floorp
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Why would I use something other than firefox?
Well, I would recommend waterfox over firefox because waterfox has just straight up removed any AI stuff rather than giving you the option to opt out of it.
Sounds like a lot more work than just opting out
~ish, waterfox is reconfigured firefox. They have a single button sync on first launch to clone your firefox data over, it took me like 60 seconds to swap everything over. And you get a lot more than just removing AI from firefox, it’s essentially a preconfigured firefox. Removes a lot of telemetry and analytic stuff, strict-enforces better security protocols, prettier layout and stuff.
It doesn’t really buy you any new functionality, but it’s way quicker to just use waterfox than it is to spend hours configuring the weird shit like private DNS in firefox.
because Mozilla insists on sucking major ass? idk
Mozilla sucks more ass than Google in your opinion?
absolutely not! that wasn’t part of your question though.
It’s the important yet subtle differences that matter most between sucking ass and blowing goats.
You can maybe try Ladybird (most websites is kinds usable now I guess)
It’s not even in alpha release yet
Ohh yes, obviously not in the condition to daily drive, and you need to compile from source.
ight straight up what is the use case for ladybird? Who do you think is going to “try” it?
It doesn’t work yet - there’s not really a reason to “use” it unless you’re going to try and develop it
Also, it’s still Chromium, meaning it can be affected by Google’s decisions.
i tell you what, i’ll keep an eye on the brave usage numbers and if they keep heading up because it’s such a great browser i’ll keep it under my hat
deal?
Come and delete this comment when you’re sober again.
I don’t usually take the software creator’s ideology into account if it works well on my computer. However, I stopped using Brave when I found out that it’s a company funded by Peter Thiel, the founder of Palantir and one of the most toxic investors around today. The combination of Brendan Eich and Peter Thiel has now pushed me past the point where I can separate software from its creator’s ideology.
I don’t think “toxic” covers the kind of evil Peter Thiel.
An actor with mildly spicy views on stuff is “toxic”.
Thiel bought a fucking Vice President and got him to do a 180 on his views on Trump.
This is the guy that Epstein sent an email to saying:
“Finding things on their way to collapse, was much easier than finding the next bargain.”
3 days before Brexit vote. Peter Thiel is named over 2,200 times in the Epstein files, confirming their extensive correspondence.
And Thiel did nothing but sabotage society for finding the next bargain. He’s a caricature super villain from James Bond, that should be at the bottom of a volcano somewhere not funding web browsers.
Technically the order was:
Buy
180 on views
Make him VP
He didn’t really buy a ready-made VP, he groomed him.
Brave Browser: “Privacy Forward”
Funded by Peter Thiel of Palantir, the most un-privacy corporation that ever pravacied.
That math ain’t mathing for me.
As others mentioned, Thiel is basically a cartoon supervillain. There’s definitely something more sinister at play that he’s trying to accomplish with this “privacy forward” web browser. Not sure exactly what it is, but I don’t trust it for a fucking second.
Shocking number of people under-informed about browsers here.
Brave just released a $60 paid (except on Linux Desktop) version without bloat. It worked barely OK in the first place, but didn’t obfuscate all of your browser fingerprint. It spoofed fonts, that was its major innovation.
Only Tor truly anonymizes web traffic. This is not opinion, this is fact.
LibreWolf, Mullvad, and hardened FF help, but they all give their own fingerprints. As does Vivaldi and Floorp.
Personally, I cycle through all 7 of these. Only things tied to my name on stock FF. Everything else gets its own different browser private mode and VPN location.
Use whatever you want, but understand that unless you’re on Tor or spreading your risk across multiple tools, it’s trivial for Google to triangulate you across the web.
I’m not super deep into this, i2p doesn’t anonymize web traffic? What does it do then?
i2p is a separate network entirely, and part of that is routing your traffic to someone else’s connection. So your exit node is someone else’s laptop or server. And you’re letting other people doing who knows what else use your connection as an exit node. Which, for me, is an absolute deal breaker. I don’t trust other people online to let them use my connection.
Team Librewolf reporting in.
Librewolf logouts from all websites and also dark mode settings is reverted once i quit the program and re run. Is it how it is supposed to be?
Librewolf by default deletes all cookies when you close it. So that will log you out of every website, but that also makes sure things like tracking cookies don’t hang around.
You can tweak those settings if you want.
Waterfox is just as good with less setup work.
Sounds like a “delete all cookies and session data after closing the program” type of setting.
Maybe try to look at your settings :)Imagine reading the settings… Gross
Yeah did. It worked fine now. Tanks.
Correct! Logging in via password manager is easy! And I add exceptions for the few sites I want to stay logged in
Brave has ran a bunch of youtube ads. Like raid shadow legends style. That’s how I know it’s a shit browser
I’m a big fan of the duckduckgo browser. Love me the burn-all-the-cookies-and-history bonfire button that make it great as a default browser and I click random links more confidently now that it’s my go-to.
If you are on Android, just know it has much weaker security because it is a webview browser with no per-site process isolation. WebView browsers are just reskinned weaker Chromium. Also, of your devices is no longer receiving updates, your webview (built in to the OS) may be very out of date, and Browsers are the most exploited platform.
If you are on iOS, it is just reskinned Safari (WebKit). If you are on desktop, it should be fine (just still chromium).
I stopped using Brave for Peter Thiel reasons. Using Librespped, Mullvad browser, Zen browser and Helium. Helium isn’t fully finished, but looking amazing. I like options
Just wanted to say thanks, this spurred me to swap over to Zen until I hear how that one is also terrible for me however far down the road.
Haven’t seen much talk about Zen on Lemmy, i think i’m gonna try that when i have more time since it seems like the most radically different browser ever
I’ve been using Zen for about 3 months after using Floorp for about the same. I prefer Zen because it’s different and the workflow just feels better.
Also Pale Moon is still borked from the Tobin saga.
Firefox will sign you up for ‘Studies’ that phone home and disclose your browsing data without consent, you need to check this periodically. Turning it off is not enough, you need to check it as it will periodically turn itself back on with updates.
Waterfox is clean after you turn off crash telemetry.
Source on firefox re-enabling telemetry on its own? Mine never did it
What’s the Tobin saga?
Firefox will sign you up for ‘Studies’ that phone home and disclose your browsing data without consent, you need to check this periodically. Turning it off is not enough, you need to check it as it will periodically turn itself back on with updates.
On desktop? That’s fucked, idk how that’s not more publicized
And now you can pay $60 to get less of their features!
Brave is the default in Zorin OS, for some reason.
Zorin is a piece of shit thats only reason of relevance is that a bunch of sloptubers jumped on the „LiNuX iS uSeR fRiEnDlY now???” train. There is nothing to learn from Zorin except that you could sell 80% of humanity an overpriced and underperforming product by marketing everything but their product as overly complicated and only for nerds
That bad, huh?
Its the most sub average you can get.
It works, but the package maintenance is sub par, with some apps being years old, the ui does not allow a user to have more advanced options, like the updates executable just being a loading bar instead of something fully featured like KDE discover, etc
I test drove it for a couple days and it worked well enough for a noob. I don’t think it’s intended for advanced level use.
I’m checking out Linux Lite next—my laptop is ancient lol
It’s why I don’t recommend it anymore
Well, they have paid and education versions, so likely it’s the default because Brave paid to be the default. Gotta get cash from the free users too.
BTW if you want to free yourself from Brendan Eich completely, you can’t. he made Javascript.
