Imagine living in a world where your value as a person isn’t tied to how physically exploitable you are.
Hey now! Under capitalism, your value as a person is tied to how aggressively you exploit others.
That has not been my experience. Nobody is demanding that of me. Just physical exploitation, from all corners.
Yes, because capitalism does not value you. You aren’t a capitalist.
Capitalism doesn’t value anything. It is the codification of one of several ways of life we can only understand by observing human beings whose behavior is antithetical to the survival and advancement of our species. It is an evolutionary and ideological dead end, the same as the genetic lineage of any creature born with the compulsion to commit suicide from birth. People can choose to do better so it’s not a matter of genocide to do away with it. It’s ideocide. All instances of this system of thought must be done away with, and future generations warned about the consequences of ever allowing it to regain a foothold in the noosphere.
I would say it values anything that enables the growth of capital. That can include people. However, I do agree that it is inherently indifferent to human life.
I get where you’re coming from but I do feel the need to point out that you’re ascribing held values to an ideology. It’s not a person, it can’t value anything. As an ideology it is valuable to people whose values prioritize self-enablement at all costs.
Interesting point. I think you’re right. It’s a system, not a sentient being, it can’t really have values. Thx for the interesting point.
Imagine
Luckily for me I get exploited physically and mentally. I strive to one day only be exploited mentally.
Living the dream!
I’ve worked back to back 60’s at Amazon, what the hell do you think made me a communist?
Nowhere else have I felt more like the “Resource” part of “Human Resources”
Sounds like you just dont want to work. You know when I was your age…
Boomers are like: “when I was your age I worked 40 hours a week while going to college” and don’t say they did their homework at work and got paid for it because there were no security cameras and could pay their yearly tuition and rent with a full time job at a gas station.
Propaganda
No, that’s what had made me a liberal before lol.
It’s very funny to blame “communist propaganda” when all my schooling was from a capitalist perspective. I never even knew what communism was until I searched for alternatives because of being dissatisfied with the existing system.
If you think communism is a solution to your problems, you’re dead wrong. You’ve been told things you wanted to hear, not the truth how communist state looks like in real life.
“Been told” lol. I’m reminded of back in high school when I told my parents I thought gay people should have rights and they responded “who’s putting these crazy ideas into your head?” It is, in fact, possible for me to come to conclusions on my own.
I remember my father telling me how he miraculously managed to get permit to leave the country in the 80s to work in capitalist Europe. He returned with insane fortune of like, $500, which he later spent on paying off mortgage when system fell apart in the 90s.
It’s tragic that your family had to spend that money on a mortgage because the state that provided free (or heavily subsidized) housing collapsed. Fucking capitalism, amirite?
state that provided free (or heavily subsidized) housing
You weren’t getting any housing in that system. You could enlist in a queue and wait for 20-30 years to get piss poor commie block apartment. My father was one of very few people who were just well enough for building a house. He was struggling with money, rationing of materials, corruption and poor quality of work, while our family of four lived in 20m2 apartment like animals in stables.
So he spent all of it on the failings of capitalism in the 90s?
Transformation just uncovered all the lies and sins of previous communist system. Once state run enterprises were allowed to file banktruptcy 30% of them failed immediately. Country was also hit by hyperinflation like a hammer because previous system was printing money like crazy and “fixing” it by price controls and food rationing.
And what do capitalist states look like in real life for those not in the 0.1%?
Meh economically, while still enjoying nice things like criticizing the government.
You don’t read the news much, eh?
To a distressing degree, but your question wasn’t for just for anyone in the bottom 99.9% of people to actually answer honestly, eh?
Ah BabylonBee, The Onion for conservatards
No joke, I got dog piled off this site for using that last word you used. We’re so busy purity testing ourselves instead of just attacking the right in an organized fashion.
actual leftists dont argue with leftists. the purity test is a myth created by the far right in an attempt to drive an ideological wedge between leftists, and the fence sitting liberal capitalists. its a self sorting myth that pushes liberal capitalists away from full class conciousness based on percieved petty differences. much like the gondolins and the horse men of rohan prior to the battle of gondor, especially under the influence of grima wormtongue, who whispered untruths and falsehoods in the ear of the bewitched king theodan, in an attempt to keep the kingdoms of men divided. even after his bewitchment, king theodan understood that he needed to put away the ledger of sins from their past with gondor, in order to prevent the fall of man. he struggled with this, but ultimately knew what had to be done when gondor called for aid. everything was at stake.
the leftist understands that its always been up vs down. and that left vs right is a distraction myth. we are like the elves, dwarves, and men of middle earth, even the hobbits. fighting against the darkness of sauron. squabbling over petty differences only serves the dark lords mission of division and permanent victory over man, bringing upon an age of darkness the likes we have never seen before.
we fight for what all that is right and good in this world. for freedom, equality, and truth. anyone who says otherwise is under the influence of forces beyond their current understanding. whether or not they succumb to ignorance is a matter of will and intellect. much like fighting the dark influence of the one ring and saurons will, it is ultimately up to the individual to imagine a world not dictated by greed and the persuit of ultimate power. but rather one where all can live together, in equality, harmony, and peace… in spite of our differences. we as their friends and would be allies also have a duty to guide them when we can, and accept them for their differences, as long as they are willing to fight along side us.
“Never thought I’d die fighting side by side with an Elf.”
“What about side by side with a friend?”
“…Aye… I could do that.”
we all share this world together, and the time of darkness is upon us all. we should remember what our fight is for, and it is not just for ourselves and our own way of life. but the lives of the men and women, and everyone inbetween and beyond. who, like us, simply want to live a full, free, and peaceful life.
Wait you mean that I can’t tell people to kill themselves here? Shameful 😔😔😔
Of course conservatives go “only physical work is real manly work, young people are lazy, hue hue hue”.
…while Babylon Bee staff is mostly known for sitting in the office and posting low effort shit that can incredibly charitably called “attempts at humour”.
Hey, if you’re conservative, you’ve got to be contradictory and hypocritical, after all.
I judge memes by the content of their image not the color of their watermark.
The One™ MLK quote.
I’m a communist and don’t want to break my back using a sickle to harvest crops, but also no one does except people watching trad content and romanticizing it. This is why we’ve automated most of the hard manual labor in developed countries.
We really need to update the symbol, besides all the baggage with the USSR it’s just out of date. Maybe on 1920s Russia most people were working with a hammer and sickle, and a lot of people still do to this day in less developed countries, but the meme is right, you ask your average Gen z in the developed world what the symbol means they’ll shrug and say idk.
Mozambique has you covered
That’s part of why I like the symbol of the DDR. Sure hammers and compasses are outdated, but they’re easy symbols for labor still vital, and instead of a sickle there’s sheaths of wheat
Make it a tractor.
The engineers can design tractors. And trains.
The feels when some countries do forced labor to hand pick cotton for the higher quality
Critical support for your demons
Isn’t Babylon Bee like The Onion?
It’s like if The Onion was right wing
The Onion if every punchline was racism (or transphobia)
Right-wing humor = hate speech.
Not sure if sarcasm or user doesn’t understand humor is bipartisan.
Post hog, or log off, chud
Hog, not dog, learn to read
LOL.
Rob Schneider, is that you?
It’s like if the Onion wasn’t funny.
Let me know when the Babylon Bee acquires InfoWars AND Tim Heidecker in the same week.
I prefer garlic
What other meaning would they have?
I mean, they represent physical labor, in the sense that one physically uses a hammer and a sickle as tools. But the reason communists pair those symbols together is because they represent the class alliance of industrial workers, and rural peasants.
This is a repost of bad conservative Onion ripoff, The Babylon Bee, though. So I expect only the most shallow, baby-brained, “jokes” your average chud could muster
I also like the sextant the GDR added to represent knowledge workers.
This is a repost of bad conservative Onion ripoff, The Babylon Bee, though. So I expect only the most shallow, baby-brained, “jokes” your average chud could muster
Context matters. Could have been funny, if it were a self-deprecating joke. But now I think “ah, they don’t know what they’re talking about”.
That’s a compass (math kind not navigation kind) not a sextant. A sextant would be more likely to represent the mercantile class than knowledge workers. But yeah I love their symbol because it really shines as a symbol for German communism by including a tool associated with engineers.
Remembered it wrong. Also still not used to the english word for that device.
Why haven’t you posted anything better? Classic .ML do a lot of complaining and interject moral superiority while doing nothing of substance. I’m out here breaking my back harvesting memes to bring back like slop for the pig trough. 4 count em FOUR group chats among different friend groups that share memes. Plus tertiary collection. I save AND post them. By the sweat of my brow I share a minor chuckle or quick exhale from the nose followed by a slight smile and head shake. This is what I do for you. Yet, this is how you repay me?
Four group chats and the best you’ve got is some Facebook boomer shit??
Idk a Lil ragebait in the shitpost community is absolutely perfect for me on occasion. Still waiting to hear why you don’t post sick ass memes…
Man, if only you had posted a sixth shit meme, it would have really helped turn the comment around.
Have I earned your respect yet?
Boomer slop.
Thanks babe
Guys, they are Communists, not Amish.
Capitalist not funny. News at 11.
Literally just a shitty Babylon Bee repost. LemmyShitPosts is a Nazi bar
I’m not sure you know what a Nazi is or hyperbole or irony or context or humor or shitpost or dancing or singing or clapping or smiling or grass or imagination or jumping Jacks.
OK Boomer
That flag doesn’t exist anymore.
If Rhodesia, the Confederate States of America, and the Third Reich can live forever in the hearts of the far right, PizzaKentuckyBell can live forever in mine.
You’re not exactly putting the KenTacoHut in good company there.
Wait, being directly cited as not being akin to the three states I listed is a bad thing?
I couldn’t disagree more.
That’s not what you did. If that’s what you were trying you may want to give it another pass.
Frankly, I very much believe this is a reading issue more than a writing issue, but I do agree the solution is “give it another pass.”
Right now we have a data set of 1/1 that had issues comprehending what I meant. When both sides of that number tick up, we can talk about the data tending towards that it was poorly written.
If santa, the tooth fairy, and khan can all live on in the minds of dreamers, so too can chicken/bell/hut live in our hearts.
What they have written is confident and not comparing the food to the fasciats.
Wait, you mean the revolution isn’t just arguing online and designing posters? Devastating news.
Is this meant to suggest that reactionaries aren’t work-shy as hell? That would be a lie. They all want some bullshit media career as much as any liberal.
Lol @ the people propping up the system with “passive income” making accusations
No idea what that means
It means that between communism and capitalism there’s exactly one option that says being paid for labor someone else did is fine and one that doesn’t
… Both of them though?
One based on investments, the other based on being unable to work. From each according to their abilities and all that.
Not that it’s a bad thing. To some degree we already do it in most sane capitalist countries too.
“To each according to their need” doesn’t necessarily mean pay, you could just provide housing and food directly to people who can’t otherwise afford it. Passive income necessarily requires exploitation and accounts for neither need nor ability.
Housing and food is essentially pay too, in a way.
What I’m saying is that there are people who get to live off others’ work in that system too. It’s just a much more just system, because we’re basing it off who can vs who can’t work, rather than who has money vs who doesn’t.
You could also make the case that passive income doesn’t necessarily require exploitation. One could work 80 hour weeks for 20 years with the goal of retiring earlier. In effect, that person is doing their future work in advance, and then in one way or another, earns income off it. If you just kept the extra money as cash, it would inflate away.
However, such “fair” passive income wouldn’t be 8-10% a year in growth like you can currently get passively long term, it would be in line with inflation, to make it so that your 80 hours of work today are still worth 80 hours of work in 20 years.
I would argue that government bonds (in an actually ethical government, not something like the US…) are pretty close to exploitation-free passive income under the capitalist system. The rate is not high and the government uses it to fund social programs, infrastructure, etc. In return, the extra work you did to make more money, retains its value over time.
But this is just a theoretical way under the capitalist system to get SOME passive income to help you retire with more comfort than the state pension. Unfortunately, since exploitation IS allowed and is much more profitable, this is not actually what most people are doing for passive income.
Housing and food are viewed that way in our capitalist society specifically because it supports the central idea that the poor deserve to be homeless and starving, this view is actively reinforced in our media, I see no reason to do anything other than attack it. Saving for the future is not passive income. If it pays interest someone somewhere is getting fucked for it.
Housing and food are viewed that way in our capitalist society specifically
Housing and food require someone else’s labor to produce if you don’t do it on your own, hence receiving it for free is still a type of pay. Not unlike disability benefits, social housing, etc.
Saving for the future is not passive income. If it pays interest someone somewhere is getting fucked for it.
You can’t save for the future long term without some kind of interest because all your money loses its value. So you can lend it to your government for social programs, or you can lend it out to companies and communities looking to finance solar panels (e.g through solcor), or you can invest it in a REIT buying up residential housing en masse. Up to you if you see those as equally abusive or not
Yeah but in real life communist countries are as explotative and brutally oppressive as capitalist ones.
It’s almost like all countries are based on the rich exploiting the poor or something.According to who exactly?
The people who live(d) there.
there are no communist countries in the world. and there never has been. communism has never been achieved anywhere.
what you are referring to are authoritarian state capitalist societies. they may be communist/socialist in name, just not in praxis.
Thanks! Tell that to all the people defending China and the USSR please.
Which one?
Scawy communism
