• Tempus Fugit@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    I look forward to hearing how this will fuck you up 20 years down the road. Just bite the bullet, grow a pair, and let that hair go. You’ll thank yourself down the road. Note, that I’m referring to men specifically.

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      2 months ago

      Seriously. My hairline receded when I was 17. Accepting what is is a much better way to live your life. Especially if you’re white and you just don’t want to go bald cause “then you’ll be old”. Everyone gets old. Accepting the balding sooner makes it harder to tell what your age is going forward. Like Patrick Stewart.

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        2 months ago

        Not only that, but maintenance is cheap, easy, and quick. No more waiting around for a haircut, having to go to the barber, or tipping. A razor costs like $0.05 and it takes like 5 minutes to shave. You don’t have to fret about expensive meds or haircare products. It’s really the best. I know how hard and imasculating hair loss can be for a man, but once you clear that hurdle it’s smooth sailing. Plus some women really like the bald look.

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          2 months ago

          People always say this but, even putting aesthetics aside, I’d choose a full head of hair any day.

          You talk about the speed of shaving but don’t say you have to do it every day or it looks like shiiiit. I used to go 2-3 months between haircuts and they cost $20+tip

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            2 months ago

            No matter how you slice the pie it’s still way cheaper and easier to shave every other day than it is to deal with a barber. Sure if I didn’t lose my hair I’d want it, but I’m not going to fight genetics and nature. Vanity is pathetic and way more cringe than embracing the inevitable.

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              It’s definitely cheaper but it being easier is debatable. It takes wayyyy more effort to shave 90 times than to make a stop after work to sit for 20 minutes.

              And I made it pretty clear I wasn’t talking about vanity. I just don’t love having to put a sharp blade to my head first thing every morning for it to not look like a crackhead.

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          2 months ago

          In black communities, hair care is community building. By going bald, you lose or limit access to the community created in the barber’s chair. White people don’t have this, so losing your hair is just about vanity, not a loss or reduction of identity.

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            2 months ago

            I don’t know. I have a great relationship with my barber. I don’t think that our relationship is less meaningful just because the color of our skin.

            I also do not believe that people in general, no matter the color of their skin, go only to barbers of their same skin color. Not all the world live in 1960s USA. Pretty sure plenty of white folks go to black barbers, and plenty of back folks go to white barbers.

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              2 months ago

              Pretty sure plenty of white folks go to black barbers, and plenty of back folks go to white barbers.

              Yeah, and that shows your level of ignorance here. Cosmetology and barber schools don’t teach about black hair types and difficulties. White is default in these places and black hair care is considered a “specialty” skill. A black person can’t just walk into any barbershop. Well, they could but it’s unlikely anyone knows how to help them.

              I have to be done here, but this is definitely a blind spot for you. Maybe look into it?

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                2 months ago

                Lots to unpack here.

                You still do not explain why white people’s relationships with their barbers are less meaningful just because the color of their skin.

                Also I don’t get why a person with white skin could not go to a barber who has black skin, which would know how to cut white hair because as you said it’s the default, and build a great friendship and community there.

                Where I live most white people go to PoC barbershops because most barbershops are own by PoC overall.

                Black people and white people are allowed to be friends and to go to each others business now.

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                  Sure white people can go to any barber and be sure they have been trained in straight hair but that is not the point. White people with extremely curly or frizzy hair are also poorly served by society.

                  So people of African descent have a skill gap to contend with, on top of prejudice to negotiate, and hair becomes a political thing where community needs to close ranks.

                  Why is it a more meaningful relationship than for non-blacks? Tradition on top of comfort and security, and a layer of “insider knowledge.”

                  Getting huffy about it is pretty cringy, though, and I wish you were more open to learning.

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                  2 months ago

                  Brother. As a white person, if you need a haircut you can go to any salon. Your hair isn’t under constant scrutiny. Your default hairstyle isn’t treated as something dirty or wrong. You don’t experience othering or ostracization because of your hair.

                  You, as an individual, can choose to have your hair be a connection to community. That can be a beautiful thing and losing that might be devastating to you, as an individual. A black person is thrust into community because of their hair because of systemic oppression. It’s a struggle that brings everyone in that community together. You can’t separate one from the other. Every black man who loses his hair loses this integral connection he has to his community.

                  White people’s connection to community through their hair is a choice, black people’s connection to community through their hair is a survival tactic. That’s why they’re fundamentally different. You can choose, they have no choice but to do so.

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        2 months ago

        fuck with your androgens and cause depression

        chases daily fin pill with the double daily 2.5mg of sublingual estradoil

        Andro-who-now?

        Seriously though, some of us are glad to see em go lol.

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            2 months ago

            Oh yeah no its just that between me being better off without em, and the horrific gender dysphoria I felt from a receding hairline make that shit laughable.

            I def think buzzing is the right answer for a lotta dudes.

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      2 months ago

      Minodixil has already shown dangerous side effects, or so I read somewhere (but IIRC it was a reputable source, I just don’t have a link to prove it, sorry).

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    There have been reports of water forming around the heart due to oral minoxidil. It needs to be tested that the oral extended release version is safe. The problem is only a small percentage might have this potentially lethal side effect, so it needs to be tested very throughly

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    2 months ago

    My limited research into these is that you pretty much have to keep taking them. I considerd it, mostly because of sun and skin cancer risks, but not if I have to take a drug for the rest of my life. I have hats, they work fine.

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    I’m gonna be so fucking hairy.

    Seriously, though, pro-tip, I got my last 3-month batch of the regular Minoxidil at Ollie’s in the US for $8. YMMV. But $8 is a steal.

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    Lot of misinformation in this thread. Every drug has side effects but that doesn’t mean everyone or even a majority of people will experience them.

    Minoxidil was originally designed as a blood pressure med and was found to support hair growth. Kind of like Viagra was designed for pulmonary hypertension and it was later found that it supported erections.

    The doses of minoxidil given to support the anagen or thicker phase of hair growth {2.5 to 5 mg) are much lower than those given for blood pressure (10 to 20 mg). The higher doses are more commonly associated with side effects like lightheadedness, palpitations, lower extremity edema and pericardial effusion.

    Detasteride or Finasteride decrease the conversion of testosterone to dihydrotestosterone. Scalp DHT accelerates follicle minituarization. This medication has a long half life so if youve taken it for weeks it stays in your system for weeks even after youve stopped it. There are people that have reported longer standing mood changes due to this drug.

    I know many who tolerate both just fine but everyone should assess their own risk tolerance and make a decision based on that. The topical formulations help but the oral combination is much more effective and for those that pursue a hair transplant these meds will always be started afterwards (often beforehand as well) because otherwise your DHT will just wipe out the transplanted follicles.

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      Minoxidil extends the Anagen (growth) phase of the hair cycle and increases the size of miniaturized follicles. While it doesn’t create brand-new follicles, it transforms thin, resting hairs into thicker, more pigmented ones, improving the density and appearance of the hair you already have.

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    We’ve got wars and bad economy everywhere in what is quickly becoming a full on dystopia but we have a pill that can give you your boner back and now another pill that will give you your hair back. You can then pretend you are an “alpha” again and do more wars and cheat the masses out of more money. Pharmacy is a miracle! /s

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      What a silly thing to say. No need to shame men for taking these pills. I for one love that there are hair regrowth pills since its gonna help a lot with my mtf transition. Should they stop development into these pills just because there are some dicks in the whitehouse?

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    Yep, take a pill that goes in your stomach, absorbed through the intestines, into your blood stream, liver, etc, to grow hair on your head.

    Bullshit.

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        Do you? We have no idea how much of the medication works. We know it works in some parts better than others through observations and assumptions.

        If we actually knew medicine, we tackle pain, injuries and other ailments through localised medical intervention, not taking a pill and hoping for the best.

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        We actually do not know how medication works.

        You’d be baffled knowing how we research new medications (it’s randomly trying millions of different molecules).

        One breakthrough where we know more is MRNA but that’s just a small part.

        And metabolism? We have a poor understanding of about 10-15%(we don’t even know where it all happens or how much there is), the rest is unknown.

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      Oh look, an amateur pharmacologist.

      This is why we grind aspirins into our forehead to relieve a headache.

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        Another example:

        Ozempic gets injected into subcutaneous fat and works its way through the body, via the liver and heart, to alter the glp hormones in your pancreas and brain.

        I’m sure we could think of lots of other examples where drugs are administered somewhere else to affect different areas.

        OPs argument is as ignorant as flat-earth theorists.

        Edit: and this shows this thread is a sausage-fest, as nobody mentioned either the pill or the morning-after pill which I’m sure most women would have probably said instantly.

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          Whoever takes Ozempic is basically a lab rat at this stage. No short term issues have been observed but we don’t know the long term effects.

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            All medication has the possibility of side effects.

            In the 20 years GLP-1 medication has been used by type-2 diabetes patients (because that’s who they were really for), there have been more positives than negatives. Simple as that. There are side effects but those are better than the well-documented side effects of type-2 (e.g. cardiovascular disease, kidneys, eyes and feet, including the possibility of amputation. And that’s before we get into the social stigma of being morbidly obese, the mental health issues associated with that and the social isolation that often comes with it).bb

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          If we don’t know how those processes work but we know the effect they cause, how can you so confidently say that the hair growth thing is BS? Knowing how it works is besides the point, if we know the effect it causes and it being ingested, how can you call bullshit to another thing having an effect in a different part of our body than where it’s introduced?

          I didn’t prove your point and I’m sorry to learn you think I did.

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        And you shouldn’t munch them too often because they do go through the liver etc.

        OP has a point IMO.

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          What does that have to do with the fact that a pill being ingested has no direct relation with the place it has an effect on? That’s the point I was trying to imply, thus countering the point OP was making.

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            IMO OP has a point as the delivery mechanism already exists (smearing it on the head) so making it take the longer way through our inner organs is, if not “bullshit” probably less good, as just smearing it has proven dangerous.

            Maybe I just think nobody can be that stupid and believe eating a pill can’t do something to the head.

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      Yes, take a pill that goes to your stomach, absorbed by your intestines, into your bloodstream, liver, etc. to decrease your acne (isotretinoin)

      … to stop asthma (salbutamol)

      etc.

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      You say that but oral/sublingual fin and estradoil worked much better than topical Finn/minoxidil alone.

      That includes when I was still taking estradoil orally.

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      It was originally for high blood pressure if I remember correctly. Side effect was unwanted hair growth. Very quickly became a topical for wanted hair growth.