So consumer grade routers are a security risk, but not ISP switches or server routers? That’s the opposite of what a state level actor would look for.
Isn’t Huawei already banned?
Is it? Because I just saw them available on Amazon and Alibaba. I think I even saw it on Walmart a few weeks ago too.
He is talking about ISP grade hw.
I mean, it’s kind of old news that these consumer routers make up the majority of bot nets, although I doubt requiring them to be US-made will change much.
Be ready to get shut out of the global internet and only use Trumpernet.
Seriously though, they’ll block yalls internet access in a few years.
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Glad Australia is finally getting some decent fiber links up through Singapore.
SEA-ME-WE3 is a joke and before IndigoWest and ASC, almost all of our international transit was via US.
It’s incredible how every day in this country continues to be unimaginably dumber than the last.
It’s really amazing how this country just ran on word and vibes up to this point. Turns out you could just do whatever and nobody would have the cajones to stop you
The only slight problem with this is that there are no routers made in the USA.
Something is happening, first the age verification and now this. They’re setting up to verify identities online I presume?
The fascists always attack free speech, and our first amendment rights have been under attack from many directions.
They’re setting up to verify identities online I presume?
To track online activities.
To ensure nobody is doing anything the government (or its corporate funders) don’t like.
Look at the Project2025 manifesto and see how much they want people’s activities to be controlled.
So… all network routers?
Yes.
I’m so glad they’re focusing on this instead of how shitty and expensive our home internet is.
You’ll be able to save so much money once private households wont have internet anymore!
Mandatory Triple play packages by xfinity is coming BACK! Yay… I forgot what it was like to over pay for my internet with 2 additional services I don’t want. Can’t wait.
/s
Great, so zero network products can be sold, and we have to dispose of any existing ones in a couple years.
I guess the US won’t have any Internet anymore.
Look Vlad, I’m doing it too!
The next step is government approved routers with NSA backdoors.
This is a good time to remind everyone to avoid any of the major manufacturers. Get pre-built OPEN boxes and install OpenWRT. You performance and capabilities will beat the shit out of any of the other stuff anyway.
Sadly, there were a few great foreign-made manufacturers who had great hardware for this. Technically they aren’t “network routers” and just blank hardware, so probably don’t fall into the idiotic language put forth here.
I’ve got a GLiNet router with OpenWRT, running adguard on it. Best router experience I’ve ever had. I wonder how quick this ruling takes effect, might be smart to buy another while I can lol
YUP. I’ve deployed hundreds of these. They make good hardware, their developers and hardware engineers are quick to respond to customers, and they just make a good product. They even share their board designs, because why not?
Sucks they’re going to be caught in the crossfire here.
And open software will probably have the ability to show up as a “correct” router when that day comes.
Can’t believe this isn’t the top comment.
Cisco is made in China. Ubiquiti, Vietnam or Thailand I think.
How is this going to work?
Smuggling? Setting up a factory in Florida that reboxes routers and slaps “Made In America” stickers on them? Resale/referb router prices going through the roof?
Take your pick.
Protectionism at its finest! What should the rest of the world make of US consumer routers? All good? No backdoors letting friendly people in?
What should the rest of the world make of US consumer routers?
I’ll let you know when they actually make one
This is so stupid that I can barely even think of a nefarious reason to do it.
The few “usa made” routers companies lobbying your president to forbid their competition?
All the thrift stores here throw them away. I’ve got dozens of them, variety of all types piled up in the closet because why the fuck the not? Fucking knew they’d come after them eventually.
because why the fuck the not?
In theory, you would have better things to do with your real estate.
But I guess I’m the idiot who threw my kit out six months ago to make the house a little less cluttered.
You need to start a museum lol
designating all consumer routers manufactured outside the U.S. as a security risk
So this is horseshit, right?
First of all, ALL routers from ANY country are a security risk? Every single other nation is trying to make Spyware for the average American consumer? Doubt.
Second, they are extremely concerned with all consumers’ security from foreign actors to the point it needs an outright ban on hardware to protect us. God forbid I buy an AVM router from Germany and open up my home networking to German Spies. What if they find out I sometimes visit porn websites and yourube!?
Third, that the US government, themselves, are trustworthy and wont force backdoors into systems to allow them unfettered access into private networks, something that they HAVE TRIED TO AND SUCCEEDED TO DO IN THE PAST. And also something that they are very clearly opening the door for with all of these legal pushes toward requiring age verification software and OS’s. They want to ban foreign routers so that you have to buy routers from companies that they can control. They can ask, coerce and force them to give them access behind the scenes for some bullshit excuse (“protect the kiddies”, “law enforcement”, “national security”, “terrorism”), force them to not tell the public, and then “secretly” monitor every device in the entire country. They are almost certainly already doing this with a significant number of US manufacturers and software developers.
Fuck these fascists.
It is entirely true that all models from all manufacturers are compromised by spy agencies. However the worst offender by far is Cisco even though they’re “American”.
It is entirely true that all models from all manufacturers are compromised by spy agencies.
I think there’s a little bit of space between “spy agencies employ systems professionals that know the guts of a component’s security and tricks to bypass it” and “every device firmware has a double super secret protocol for sidestepping all of its security features”.
However the worst offender by far is Cisco even though they’re “American”.
Sure. I’m willing to believe that Cisco, specifically, has relationships with the Five Eyes network such that they make monitoring their traffic easier. Even then, there’s limits. One thing to say techniques exist to bypass security. Another entirely to know what those techniques are and whether they’re practical for application at universal scale.
One of the more chronic problems that big spy agencies have is sifting through all the spam and bullshit and empty chatter. Decryption takes time. And you can’t monitor everything, everywhere, all at once. The bigger sins of Cisco are in how they expedite access on behalf of their agency partners, not that they fail to produce perfectly hack-proof hardware.
