Analyses and video evidence emerged over the weekend showing that the air strike on the Shajareh Tayyebeh Girls’ Primary School on February 28—that killed over 160 girls aged 7 to 12—was carried out by the US military.

The girls’ school in Minab is in Iran’s southern Hormozgan province close to the Persian Gulf. The school was effectively pulverized by multiple blasts, and many of those killed were obliterated and could only be identified through DNA analysis. Footage showed bodies and body parts partially trapped under collapsed floors, alongside scattered schoolbags, notebooks and dust‑covered textbooks.

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      Yeah. We might bomb their schools and assassinate their leaders.

      Edit: On second thought… we didn’t bomb Saudi Arabia for 9/11.

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          Don’t forget pressing child soldiers into Zero Units - groups trained, armed, and directed by CIA and JSOC to torture, rape, and kill entire families and terrorize entire villages.

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        Also isn’t it kind of funny that Iran had nothing to do with 9/11 and it was in fact Saudi Arabia and yet we keep peddling this trope about Iran…?

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    Amerikkka: Tired of killing kids in its own schools, now killing kids in other countries’ schools

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      The cruelty is the point. They’re just wanting to destroy key infrastructure and kill as many children as possible. We learned well from Israel.

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        Exactly how does one bomb a country without cruelty? How is a school of girls any different than the rest of the country blown apart?

        Do we expect to end the war with images of dead puppies?

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    Trump killed school girls

    Let’s not forget who specifically ordered this war to be started. All headlines should start with Trump ordered children to be murdered or Trump is getting people killed or Trump has raised oil prices and people are beginning to starve or Trump closed off shipping lanes

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      He has raped school girls too. I need to replace the pic inside the helmet to one with both Jeff and Don in it.

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      Yes, but don’t give the soldiers that pulled the trigger a pass. They’re legally required to not follow illegal orders. All of them should be court marshalled and charged with war crimes.

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        It’s unclear to me whether they would have known about this. I presume cross checking the targets should be done at each level down to the person pulling the trigger.

        Is it confirmed that everyone in the chain knew?

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          I suppose I don’t know. I should rephrase that whoever knew and ordered it should be in the hot seat. Word is that it was old target data they were going on. That by itself is a failure if true, which isn’t excusable. I’d be interested in when that school was built or transitioned to a school and the age of the data. This may be the result of a pedophile and his hair trigger war drive that meant due diligence wasn’t done.

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        For what? How could they possibly know that it was a school? They aren’t privy to the intel. They are on a boat or a base, maybe hundreds of miles away. They receive an order to fire on a location and follow the order.

        That’s exactly what they signed up for. Grunt work. Following orders.

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          I rephrased in a follow up to someone else’s comment. The people that ordered the strike on old Intel should be charged. There were failures in the process, and those responsible should be held responsible.

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            Yes, they should be charged. But they won’t be charged, because the executive branch is the very branch that runs law enforcement and the military. Why would they give themselves a black eye?

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          Right. They don’t know anything at all about what they’re shooting at all because it’s abstract and viewed through computer screen.

          However they do know that the these orders are coming down from three possible sources. 1. Targeting specialists using enshitified useless AI services. 2. Chatbots themselves or 3. Child raping genocide mongers.

          Which why they just shouldn’t do it. Go to the brig. Sabotage the missile with a fork lift accident. Fake illness. Anything. I don’t care, do whatever you have to do to not be party to this monstrous thing that’s trying to burn the world down so Jesus will come back. And that’s why they are still responsible for it.

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            There’s no “just” about it. They were following orders AND they did not know. They couldn’t have known. The soldiers are given coordinates, not the details about what the structure is used for.

            The Nazis at Nuremburg could not claim ignorance. There was a clear paper trail. Nazis had killed millions for the reason of ethnic cleansing. They did it for years. They kept records.

            Tell me, how are these situations similar?

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                Nope. Not gonna read a 23 page document. YOU tell ME how it’s similar. Or at least copy/paste the relevant information.

                Second, I’m all about prosecuting war crimes. I’d love to see this one prosecuted. How about we actually investigate it, too? Maybe, I dunno, find out who gave the order. If bad intel was passed. If the leaders knew about the bad intel but decided to proceed.

                Ofc, this won’t actually happen. The “war” is just another distraction, until the next manufactured crisis and the next until humanity snuffs itself out with its own all-too-clever Machiavellian schemes.

                But by all means, throw the full weight of social justice at the poor sap who has to live with knowing his finger pushed a button that killed 160 innocent girls. Beloved daughters and sisters, erased from this world to amuse a demented billionaire’s ego.

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                  You’re a bad faithed war crime apologist lmao.

                  “They were just following orders” “So like the nazis” “No, not like that!!!”

                  Nobody cares about your internal politics buddy. Maybe we could bomb one of your school to bring freedom to the USA

                  But by all means, throw the full weight of social justice at the poor sap who has to live with knowing his finger pushed a button that killed 160 innocent girls.

                  Yeah might as well just hang him. It’d just be mercy killing at this point

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              They knew they were bombing an enemy country unprovoked, which is illegal under international laws. I know you’re an american and thus a nazi, and that could have happened to you, but here’s an idea: maybe don’t enlist in an imperlalist force that kills children for breakfast.

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                You got me twisted, my friend. I fully condemn the military actions. All of them.

                But assigning blame to some random soldier? It’s like screaming at the waitress over a menu item. She didn’t write the menu, she doesn’t cook the food, she has literally no power over anyone.

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                  No. It’s like screaming at the waitress who served arsenic to kids and killed 160 of them while knowing full well the restaurant sometimes do that

                  How does it feel downplaying war crime?

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              This is not an individual failure. It’s a systemic failure. Americans should pay for this. With their blood.

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          If you were to throw a rock or fire a bullet, you are expected to LOOK where that projectile is going. You are held accountable for that action even if you miss your target. Only a child is deemed unaccountable for that sort action (up to about age 2). This is magnitudes more important when the missile explodes in a radius the size of a house. So there’s NO EXCUSE for the grunt on any level who pushes the button, and doesn’t LOOK or know where it is going. Are you saying military grunts are to tried as toodlers?!? for the crimes they commit?

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            They weren’t throwing rocks. They weren’t shooting a rifle. They were shooting missiles.

            Again, the soldier who fired that missile would have no idea what sort of building he’s been ordered to strike. That soldier is sitting in a command center somewhere, miles away from the front line, feeding coordinates into a targeting system.

            And, yes, grunts are usually treated EXACTLY like toddlers, especially in military court. That’s why they’re called “grunts”. They are trained to follow orders. They are trained to push the button without question. THAT’S THEIR JOB.

            Now, if a grunt is given an order which directly violates the military law, they can refuse. So, if their commanding officer said “Hey, I want you to kill those 170 underage civilians”, then the grunt can (and should) say “Hell no, sir”. That wasn’t the case here. There’s no reason for the grunt to refuse the order, because the grunt is just targeting a building, with a missile.

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              Nuremberg defense. They were just following orders. I hope they learn what they did. That’s enough for anybody to unalive themselves.

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              Can you not see why that is the problem?

              If your commanding officer tells you to fire anywhere, you should be expected to know where that is. Obviously “grunts” should have some kind of visual access to the target they are firing at, so they can decide for themselves if it is a military law crime. Otherwise you are just preforming the Milgram shock experiment with real consequences.

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                I can’t speak for what actually happens, or what even what SOP in the armed forces might be in this situation.

                SO…I googled it. Here’s the levels of complexity involved in a Tomahawk missle strike:

                1. Command and Authorization (Top-Down Flow)

                  Authorization: The process starts with a decision by the President, often passed through the National Security Council to the Secretary of Defense, and then to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Command Channel: The Joint Chiefs convey the order to a regional commander (e.g., U.S. Central Command or Indo-Pacific Command). Execution Order: The regional commander transmits the target information and engagement requirements to the specific launch platforms (ships or submarines).

                2. Transmitting the Order to the Specialist

                  Secure Communications: The order is sent via secured, encrypted digital communications to the vessel’s Tomahawk Strike Coordinator (TSC) or equivalent senior operator. TTWCS Integration: The data is directly integrated into the Tactical Tomahawk Weapons Control System (TTWCS) on board. Mission Planning: The TTWCS allows the crew to plan the route or receive pre-planned, digital target coordinates, known as a Missile Sequence Number (MSN) task.

                3. Action by the Specialized Operator (Launch Team)

                  Mission Assignment: The firing platform’s operators receive a digital tasker, which includes primary and sometimes backup assignments. Validation: Specialists on the bridge/combat center verify the target and launch authorization. Targeting Data Entry: The TTWCS is updated with the new target data, which may include GPS coordinates. Block IV missiles can be reprogrammed in-flight, but the launch command requires pre-defined parameters. Launch Sequence: The operators execute the final launch sequence, which involves the missile being ejected by a solid-fuel booster from the Vertical Launching System (VLS).

                SO, at which point should the crew have refused the order? Where does the blame lay?

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                  Me thinks the lady doth protest too much. Did something like this happen to you or someone you know? It did indeed happen to a couple of my family members, but that doesn’t make it excusable. Growing up in a military city has taught me there is no end to the amount of technical mumbo-jumbo an organization will come up with to dodge accountability for an immoral act.

                  They assist their grunts in this accountability-dodging too, for better compliance (so they don’t go home and shoot themselves). The better part of them choose to drink themselves to death anyways because they know, deep down, that what they have done is wrong regardless of how many loopholes you try and bake in to the process.

                  This is why the PROCESS needs to change. We need to find some way to give them the information they need, the accountability, AND the permission to deny orders without repercussion.

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        Despite my town, my county, my state all voting strongly against the shitstain in the white house, you’re right. And it’s fucking embarrassing. US voters are, collectively, the worst.

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        Not saying there’s not a bunch of maga morons fucking shit up, but if you think we have free and fair elections in the US, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.

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          They’ve worked fine for Republican voters, who have elected lunatics for years using them.

          They’re trying real hard to take those rights away, to the point they’ll tamper with and just stop them.

          Voting must have something going for it.

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            I don’t doubt it. Just offering a piece of factual information. If it doesn’t mean anything to you, then there’s not much I can do about that.

            Edit: Oh right, Orbán. You’re commiserating lmao. Well. Yup. Sorry, friend.

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            So we’re judging all people by the actions of their government? Cool, I’m certain Hungary is perfectly fine and innocent in all matters with never having done anything terrible.

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              That’s not what I’ve said. In fact, it’s exactly the opposite.

              Every time something done by the government I’ve never voted for comes up, the whole comment section is always "kick them out of the EU“.

              That would seriously fuck with my life, and I’m powerless against that sentiment. If anything, it is more than ironic that let the Hungarian government fuck around was the insane EU money granted to them in exchange for fucking up our labour laws.

              I’m actually sympathetic, I’m just pointing out that most people don’t tend to be.

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                Oh, my apologies. The amount of people blaming everyone in the USA for this instead of the ones actually responsible is a bit of a raw nerve. I try to judge people on their actions and morality.

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          I’m sure the world will be very interested in that, just as much as in who in Russia did or didn’t vote for Putin.

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            I mean, I’m interested in Russians who didn’t vote for Putin. I’m sure I’m not the only one. I’m also interested in Germans who were against Hitler, Italians against Mussolini, etc. Fascists victimize their own populace as well as others; basic human empathy dictates that no one’s victimhood is less tragic because of where they were born.

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          Unfortunately the outcome doesn’t listen to that, it lumps everyone together.

          So it’s those that did otherwise who let you down. That was a majority.

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    Those missiles could have gone to Ukraine to defend against russian tanks, but for some reason the current US administration said we couldn’t afford it…

    Weird…

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        They also didn’t bother to consider maybe they might need some anti-drone technology before invading the country that manufacturers russia’s drones. You know, like that laser in arizona that shot down a party balloon or something…

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    The only person denying this is Donald Trump. Even the US military isn’t disowning this incident.

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      Not just that. He’s suggesting that it was false flag op by Iran using their own “tomahawks”, because everybody has them.

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    According to Iran it was a double tap strike. The girls all gathered in a single location after the first strike and then the US bombed them again around 40 minuten later.

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    Someone pressed the button to kill children, then pressed again to kill more. I am not mad at dt but at that human who pressed the button. Why cant every soldier just say no and kill the one who told him to do the war crime

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    The US must demand the heads of whichever evil shits did this. Not the people who were instructed, the people who made the decisions.

    EDIT I’ve been convinced by some of the arguments and then re-reading history about Nazi Germany through to Colonel Oliver North. The people who physically pull the trigger can, in a hearing, be allowed to explain why they pull that trigger. I would imagine that this buries the people making the decisions higher than their neck.

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      According to the survivors it was, they said they the first blast made the principal move everyone to the common room for shelter, and the second one struck and killed almost everyone in the shelter.

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      Pretty sure they know nothing of consequence will happen for all the raping they did, this little religious war is just fun for them.

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    The USA killed hundreds of thousands of children in Iraq, they are just warming up to SAVE DEMOCRACY, which requires many thousands of stacked up baby bodies