I was talking with a friend about this when they announced age verification. He seemed pretty optimistic that this would hopefully bring back forums/irc/vent servers or anything self hostable, but I’m not to sure. I’m sure all of us here knew what was going on with this, but I’m sure the average person still doesnt care as much and will continue to trade away privacy for convenience. We all have family and friends who come to when something like this happens, but continue to use services afterwards. Seems like we will continue to be a fun club of like minded people here on fedi stuff with most people staying with what they know.
Sorry for the rant
I just finished setting up a Matrix Synapse server with oidc login and Authelia on my Kubernetes cluster.
Apparently it doesn’t support video or voice calls out of the box and I have to spin up some other stack that Synapse uses to do the calls.
He seemed pretty optimistic that this would hopefully bring back forums/irc/vent servers or anything self hostable
He’s naive as hell, especially if he thinks that the average person is willing to self-host fuck-all.
This’ll drive some of the more privacy-conscious users somewhere else, but some might not have an option depending on what they use it for, and many software projects etc. use Discord for support (“I just won’t use that software!” is an idiot’s answer to that, because again, you might not have a choice). LGBT+ folks will probably be more spooked, but even they might not have a choice.
The average user won’t give a flying fuck
It’s not that people won’t host them. It’s that no one will go there. I’ve run forums for years and years but people don’t care anymore. Hell I don’t even care that much. You can host all you want but if no one goes there, you’re boned.
I think he was half joking and half thinking of communities hes on that are more tech savvy. I’m also a little bit younger than him and interact with people younger than me, and I think theres a disconnect there.
Yes, I miss vent and irc but most people never used text or voice chat until it was centralized and braindead easy to use. I would like to go back to something like that, but most people never used it in the first place (compared to active users now) and probably have no interest in learning/setting it up.
As an early 30 something guy, I don’t see most people my age hopping ship to something like Matrix or older comm software because of the learning curve vs Discord. Younger people even less based on my personal experience.
Peter Thiel is mentioned over 2000 times in the Epstein files, so now you should wonder if the verification is about acquiring adults data or identifying unattended kids usernames…
And listen, I know people harp on this a lot, but it’s a company literally named after an orb that lets the most evil force in the world spy on your thoughts.
Minor nitpick from a LotR nerd - that’s not how the Palantíri work. But I suppose that’s not really all that important considering the real topic at hand here.
Well now I want to know how it does work. Can you post a wall of text about it? I’ll read it.
The Palantíri were indeed remote seeing stones, so you could still say it’s a good name for a company that wants to spy on people. But someone using a palantír could not read the thoughts of others any more than you could read the thoughts of someone you’re watching through a camera. At least with a camera you might get sound and be able to eavesdrop on a conversation - the palantíri were seeing stones, they didn’t transmit sound. Now they could also transmit the intended thoughts of a person, so two people using the stones could converse in thought, but it was more like talking without words than reading each others minds.
I don’t really have much more in the way of a wall of text for this explanation, but if you’re curious to know more about the palantíri, I’d recommend checking out their entry on the LotR Wiki.
The fascist noose is tightening the world over thanks to proprietary big tech. We have to escape now while we can to open-source alternatives.
Currently the best private (encrypted) and federated Discord alternative is Movim, which I highly recommend people switch to as soon as possible (the Dev is currently working on discord-like channels with rooms).
For a more complete guide to swapping proprietary apps for safe open-source ones, I suggest referring to this post: https://slrpnk.net/post/23012609
iirc OMEMO doesn’t scale well compared to Megolm for large communities
That first video is utterly unwatchable holy shit.
Am I supposed to bookmark the website on Android to use Movim?
Fucking obviously duh, of course it does.
Why does anybody give any kind of benefit of doubt to the class of wealthy rapists that run society and most of its institutions?
They’re rapists.
They’ll rape your money, your data, your attention, your energy, your time, anything they can either groom you into letting them take, or just take it by force.
And/or, if you’re ‘lucky’, they’ll just literally rape you physically.
These people are all violent sociopaths and need to be either euthanized or quarantined from society.
Imagine SexPestiny.
There ya go, thats all of these goddamned people.
Machiavellian, manipulative, beyond amoral into just actually evil, not actually very smart, they just happen to have money.
Power corrupts. Ultimate power corrupts ultimately. Story as old as time. That’s something the people should understand that think you can cure authoritarianism with authoritarianism, as long as you follow the one true holy book.
Well a lot of those people are just fundamentally taught that anything Sky Daddy does quite literally is the very concept of good and just, and seem to be genuinely incapable of their own independent moral reasoning.
I know because that is how I was raised, good thing I’m more curious and inquisitive than I am blindly faithful.
We’ve got something around a third of the US that is ready and eager to install some kind of an overt theocracy, if you haven’t heard of the Seven Mountains movement/concept look it up.
These people are fundamentally driven by irrational delusions and falsities and lies and obvious logical paradoxes, all plastered over with ‘faith’ that simply serves as a justification for hatred and bigotry.
I know not all religious people are like this, many of them are much more reasonable.
But we have ya’ll qaeda here at home, and they will destroy everything they do not understand if they are not countered.
Created an account on Stoat and Matrix. So far I prefer Stoat as it’s easier and more intuitive to use.
Stoat is centralized and has no e2ee
It’s easier to use. Besides Matrix e2ee is opt-out, and lots of public room disabled that.
Agree
Another reason to take down theil
Oh nice, it gets worse!
Abandon ship!
No loss. I got talked into joining a Discord group and hated everything about it.
The more information gets out about this whole thing, worse it gets.
Honestly I’ll just go back to IRC.
Check out The Lounge or Convos if you are willing to use a web client. They display history, images on channels, allow uploads, preview URLs and have push notifications.
Matrix can bridge to IRC
Why would I trust these specific old men with my data and to keep kids safe?
no wonder!
any good alternates?
Matrix, Teamspeak… I don’t know. But these come first to my mind.
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They’re called Spaces on matrix clients. Server instances are the sites that they are hosted on. AFAIK you need to be logged in to bring up this cross-sever space search shown below: https://matrix.org/docs/chat_basics/public-rooms/#browsing-the-public-directory
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Maybe this? https://matrix.org/ecosystem/servers/
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This? https://matrixrooms.info/ I don’t use it myself, didn’t use Matrix for a long time now.
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I’m trying commet.chat client for now works on matrix and feels like discord
lets hope for a competitor that doesn’t shoot themselves in the foot 🙏
discord also shot themselves in the foot too
