The answer is simple: ban teens
That’s pretty much it. Ban them from congregating in parking lots. Ban them from malls. But if your kid has friends over and one sneaks beer and has a wreck, you’re getting sued. But don’t discipline your kids or that’s abuse. Also, if you kid has a vape at school, they are getting a criminal charge. Whatever you do, don’t allow kids to exist, especially with other kids outside of your house, but also, don’t let them be entertained when they’re bored either.
My point is, maybe it’s all too complicated and there should be a different approach.
Maybe if we started treating people as human beings regardless of age? Or is that too radical?
Radical, yet reasonable.
To quote somebody famous: “Teenagers scare the living shit out of me”
if you ban them from dancing, there are going to be a lot of rebellious movies that get made.
“Why aren’t the kids going outside anymore?” “Why are there kids outside?!”
Let teens exist in public spaces for fuck’s sake.
They’re not allowed to have any sort of freedom anywhere, online or off. That’s the point of all these evil laws and that’s why we must resist
I hope Australian kids annoy adults enough that this moral panic about social media dies from adults just giving up because kids resort to even more annoying behavior, that would be poetic justice.
Moral panic? Dude, social media is a fucking scourge. It’s not some 80s Satanic panic bullshit. It seriously hurts kids.
Researchers said the findings showed both heavy use and social media abstinence may have risks for young people, who are at risk of social isolation.
This study shows that too much or too little social media use hurts kids. This ban hurts kids.
It hurts kids on purpose
Why are you here then?
I get your point, but it’s not some GOTCHA, like you think it is. I’m an adult and Lemmy doesn’t use algorithms to instill emotions or push ads. It also is moderated as to where hate speech is less likely. You can go on Meta products and make comments about gassing Jews, calling blacks monkeys, and so on.
Ok so sounds like the problem isn’t actually social media then?
Rather it is a question of the choices we make about the architecture and design of social media.
Well, duh. That’s the problem. That’s what I’m saying. That’s like saying beer doesn’t cause alcoholism, the alcohol in it does. You’re being pedantic.
No, when you just say social media = bad you feed into the moral panic with your intellectual laziness.
Try harder with formulating your arguments please.
You are insufferable.
you seem like a very fun person to be around.
He’s just being argumentative. Some people think that’s a personality trait.
Every teenager, edgelord and redditor (but I repeat myself) thinks this way. That being some kind of contrarian/devil’s advocate dipshit is some proof or evidence of their mighty intellect.
“Oh, but have you thought about this!!! It seems only I am so smart as to have such enlightened thoughts…”
Every teenager is the Gotcha-Man and they think they’re unique and novel.
:)
This is a forum.
Forums and blogs could be classed as social media, but they predate widespread use of the term, and are fundamentally different from the corporate social platforms.
It’s the combination of an individualized engagement algorithm and user-generated content that defines modern social media.
These bills say that yes this counts
It’s the combination of an individualized engagement algorithm and user-generated content that defines modern social media.
This is precisely what is supercharging this moral panic, people don’t automatically think critically about this and will bandwagon on social media = bad because it feels righteous and is easy unless WE force a more nuanced conversation.
Social media is a terrible for us. Me included. It’s addictive - that’s why I’m here. It’s even worse for kids as it fucks up their social skills development. And we have the power to help them avoid it, just like we were lucky enough to grow up before it. Once they’re old enough they can then choose to fuck them selves up, like they can with alcohol, weed, porn, etc.
Social media is a terrible for us. Me included. It’s addictive - that’s why I’m here.
If that is how you feel I encourage you to start from a position of curiosity about what draws you here beyond a simple thought terminating comparison to an addictive physical substance or our sex drive.
Yes, I can be introspective, thanks. Not talking about my personal weaknesses here doesn’t negate the point.
Let me rephrase: Australians concerned about children on vehicles that can go 25mph with no requirement for a license or training.
25 kph, not mph. Which isn’t very fast.
25kph is the legal speed limit for ebikes. It does not magically prevent them from going faster.
and it’s not hard to get up to 40kph just using your legs and a hill without a motor. we’ve got a great hill that’s steep enough to get up to 50kph, but i’m not quite brave enough for that.
No doubt, but that’s not what is happening. Kids are doing 40 on the flat on their “ebike” and they don’t look or indicate and they can’t do 40km/h uphill so they slow down a lot unexpectedly.
There needs to be some kind of training and regulation.
There needs to be some kind of training and regulation.
I’d have it be part of the drivers ed, but i’m an old stick in the mud
Needs to be for kids a bit younger than driving age but similar to learners’ permit I think.
can we implant it in the genes they’re supposed to automagically supoosed to have the knowledge in utero? science has done that by now i am sure i asked chatgpt and it said sure boss
They’re not going 40 on the flat. Ebikes are heavy.
Flat
Heavy
Well that tells me all I need to know about the value of your input.
I googled top e-bike speeds.
Wrong.
we have two issues
One is crusted old cumstains losing their shit about the presence of Visible Teenagers after the social media ban. They can go fuck 'emselves
The other issue is teens on illegal wattage ebikes that are souped up to 50/90kmph and ridden in areas not designed to have things at that speed tearing through them. Because of pedestrians, kids, horses, etc.
The article doesn’t mention any “miles per hour”. Do people in Australia use mph?
In December, the NSW premier, Chris Minns, announced a plan to halve ebikes’ power – and therefore reduce their top speeds – to 250 watts…
No. It’s kph. Ebikes are restricted to 25 kph.
These are not ebikes.
They are 1000w twist throttle bikes they buy on eBay and AliExpress.
No we use metric
A dude got up to 90mph on a bike just off his own steam before
I remember all the adverts when I was a kid telling me that if I got hit by a car at 30mph there was a 90% chance I’d live (this was the happy path of the advert). This is also cars ostensibly driven by licensed people.
E-bikes with a 25mph limiter are not a risk if we allow cars in the same space as pedestrians
Yeah sure, but we’re not going to create laws just for Lance fucking Armstrong.
25 kmph, that’s about 15 mph.
90 on a bike? That’s nuts, do you have a link to that? I’d like to see what kind of a machine that is
Honestly I remember someone telling me and I’ve never seen it myself so I went looking
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cycling_records
Turns out there’s even faster now
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There’s a ‘fuck off were full’ movement but it’s not quite what you would hope.
Yeah, I was going to say that the problem actually appears to be children.
I dunno, can’t parents just keep their kids in a box till they’re 18 and can become productive, compliant wage slaves, like everyone else.
/s
Just wait until all those teen grow up and figure out that old farts on social media are responsible.
Yeah, they can wipe thier own ass when they are in a care home!
Unfortunately the old farts on social media were once the teens being treated like criminals for existing. It’s a cycle. Yesterday’s rebels become tomorrow’s pearl clutchers.
Statistically kids these days are better behaved
Define old fart? To me a old fart is in their late 60 early 70’s. This is the boomers. They were the first true generation of plenty. They were promised a good life and they had one unless they were foolish with the opportunity. Let me assure you they have been against any ones freedom except their own from the start.
I know plenty of older Gen X who’ve turned into pearl clutching, curmudgeonly hypocrites and even a few younger folks who’ve developed early onset “get off my lawn” syndrome. While I’ll certainly grant that it seems to be far more common among older folks it’s a mindset we all can fall into if we’re not self aware enough.
Hell I know more than a few joyless Gen Z’s who already have fallen into the habit of being utterly scandalized whenever they see someone enjoying life a bit too much. Not all by a longshot yet, but a concerning amount for ones so young.
Boomers are defined by those traits whereas GenX is largely less likely to judge. We don’t make a lot of noise for those very reasons.
Beware! The anti fun police are in effect!
In my community a couple of years ago some middle aged guy assaulted a teen who was riding his Surron (non peddle ebike/motorcycle) in the park. Was he speeding? Probably, but that doesn’t excuse what that twat did. For the most part kids on these types of bikes aren’t the problem.
Our real problem has been pre teens on 110cc dirt bikes. They ride in groups and have been literally terrorizing people. I talked to one lady who had to put her horse down when they scared it and caused it to break a leg. Then they laughed at her and rode off. The police can’t catch them, though they’ve tried, but not that hard since they could actually do some simple detective work if they wanted to
I mean banning teens seems a pretty good policy.
How do you know their age?
You cut them in half and count the rings.
It mentions it in the article.
Weird self report but okay
Wonder what you think about often.
Your throwing stick trick has boomeranged on us!
I met one of these teens on a train he showed me a few news clips he was in with like 100 other teens on ebikes and scooters lol
Nothing to do with social media, all to do with at what point and electric bicycle becomes an electric motorcycle and the lack of laws and regulations keeping up with it. It used to be easy if the thing was making a noise, due to petrol engine, it’s a motorbike. It’s happening in every country and it feels like Chinese manufacturers are making all the money whilst the rest of the world catches up.
I know of a guy who had his driver’s license permanently revoked because he racked up so many DUI’s. He lived in rural Indiana, and bought a moped because they didn’t require a license to drive. Obviously he did not stop driving drunk.
But also, the moped did in fact make noise.
In the western United States, a shitty mountain bike with a sub-55cc 2 stroke motor bolted on is known as a “duicycle”
Nah it’s about being mad at teenagers or just mad at not driving a car. The US under Biden passed ebike regulations that are already a lot more strict than just a limit where it becomes a motorcycle, but a bunch of (mostly Democrat) states are either banning all ebikes period or banning most of the federal regulation classes because if Gavin Newsom sees a black kid have fun he instantly becomes Ronald Reagan.
As an Australian the problem is largely what you imagine.
An unregulated industry brought in bikes that were closer to motorbikes than pushbikes and parents didnt do their due diligence on it. The same industry also brought in a huge amount of bikes that were perfectly sane when stock but were literally childs play to turn into something closer to a motorbike. Now the vast majority of kids went out and did kid shit and they were slightly annoying, a not insignificant number of them got hurt, but there was no real outcry.
The govt as governments are want to do reacted way too fucking slowly in putting sane limitations on what could and couldnt be sold and hold manufacturers and importers accountable. In their defence partly because 90% of them are coming out of china and the govt arent idiots in that they know how easy it would be for an importer to find a new frontman and the Chinese manufacturer to rebrand and force them to play whackamole and partly because they are very popular among adults and people who arent riding them like dickheads AND they didnt want to look anti-green by discouraging people to find car alternatives.
But Here come the fuckwits like takeovers are to “legitimate” street racing on quiet backroads, kids started doing wheelies through shopping centers while filming it for the gram, deciding it would be funny to absolutely destroy the grass and surfacing on local sporting fields and swerving in and out of traffic in 80 zones.
Its not that the cops dont care, the cops know what the reality is that if they start trying to catch them, the kids will run and eventually someones “good boy who never hurt anyone and loved to laugh” is going “to be chased to his death over a modified E-bike and the police are the reason for his death” regardless of what prompted them to chase him in the first place.
All in all its a 3 layer shit sandwich.
Same thing here in the Netherlands: cheap, poorly made Chinese fatbikes that were incredibly easy to unlock flooded the market. The result: teens are riding around at 40kph and stunting on a bike that has no brakes. Because those wear down rapidly if you overclock the motor, and nobody does maintenance on those shitty bikes.
So now they’re trying to regulate it, much too late. When honestly, they should just ban the fucking things for anyone under 25 without a disability…
all yall folk running hamburger software: 25kph is around 15mph and change. 4 minute miles. Really fast sprints.
I could go for a burg about now
we got this great burg place at the other The City. they have a vegan The Fryer for their fries so i can actually eat the fries. fuckin good fries, fuckin good beer (i wouldn’t know, i don’t know beer, but my buddies say it’s fuckin good) fuckin good burgs. I gotta go back. Unfortunately we lost out on the raffle for Banana League tickets so we will just have to go to a regular baseball game like chumps.
and 25km/h isn’t super fast on a bike either, at least not for someone in reasonably ok shape and a bike that’s somewhat configured for cycling on roads.
