Former Trump administration official and wife of top Trump aide Stephen Miller, Katie Miller, posted Saturday on X (formerly Twitter) an image of Greenland covered in the U.S. flag with the text “SOON”.

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        This isn’t the American people. It’s the will of thousands of the world’s most powerful multinational oligarchs — billionaires and old money millionaire elites (plus all their class-traitor lapdogs and puppets) — who are actively corrupting ALL politics and public discourse; waging class warfare, globally.

        Murdoch is one of the most well-known examples, but I’m sure there are hundreds (if not thousands) of fossil fuel and military contractor investors or board members — you’ve never heard of — who are criminally corrupt psychopaths that deserve to be in the dirt.

        These people’s only allegiance is to the almighty dollar. They have no real virtue, morals, or ethics.

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          Yes but also us Americans, so proud of our second amendment, are refusing to use it for its intended purpose.

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          Is it not the people who allowed this to happen by turning a blind eye? Americans always want to be the face of freedom and democracy but when it counts they do nothing.

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          The government represents the people, and in the US, the government is a very good reflection of the US as a whole.

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    This is the kind of imperialism that caused both world wars. Stop it now, or we all die in inevitable nuclear holocaust.

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        We did it to the Japanese, we’re doing it to Mexicans. The cages have been there for over a decade with plenty of coverage but no one stopped them.

        We have secret police known as undercover officers in unmarked vans. That’s just on the local level of militarized police.

        We have the SS known as ICE that was set up to arrest brown people post-9/11.

        We gave up freedoms out of fear and now they use that fear to arrest anyone who questions the state.

        We’ve been the bad guys since the Patriot act. When people protested it and got beaten by police it was a meme in 2004. “Don’t trade me bro!”

        We’re fucked. We only have ourselves to care for. Be kind to your friends and family, don’t listen to a god damn cop.

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      Here’s the problem. War has always been the go-to solution when the USA had major troubles. At this point, I’m convinced World War III is inevitable. Simply because it’s the only way for the USA to try and fix its economy. Otherwise it’s recession or worse once the AI bubble pops.

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    Can you yanks do that “well armed militia” thing some of you have been banging on about in defense of mowing down children with automatic weapons?

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      How has it not been made clear to you that the 2nd amendment people ARE Trump supporters.

      Plus the firearms people have access to don’t work against the state. They really want people to try, but that’s the problem with left leaning people, we think before we act.

      These fuckers are putting MRAVs and other armor in the streets. Your small arms fire just tells them where you are loudly and quickly.

      We must never fight on their terms. We must never fight how they are trained.

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        I guess just do nothing again? Leave your problems for the rest of us to deal with I guess, it’s the American way

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        You may not have an option, buddy.

        Once the US starts invading other countries it’s kind of a one way street

        Greenland is threatened again, and after Venezuela, people are listening. Mexico is threatened again and you bet your ass that both Mexican government and US army trained cartels are preparing. Mexico doesn’t have any army to speak of, but Mexico will be the US next Afghanistan. Bodies and blood will flow.

        And how do you think it’ll end when the US tries to invade Canada?

        Can they please just stop this madness

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      I’m far more heavily armed than most. I could outfit my entire block, though they’re already armed; young, old, liberal, MAGA. Yes, even the little old black lady across the street.

      What the fuck do you want me to do? I’m sick of these smartass posts. Give me fucking instructions and be clear or STFU.

      Fuck me. Saw what looked like an ICE thing in Alabama today, put my Colt .45 under my leg while trying to get my immigrant wife the hell back to Florida. There’s a 12-gauge pump leaning on my desk 24x7 and the AR-15 leans on my nightstand. Being that there’s no ICE around here, want me to hunt some down a couple of states away? Be clear in your instructions.

      I now lock my doors, have a gun in reach everywhere I go and live in fear. And you assholes, “LOL! Where my 2A boys at?”

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        Well then maybe start getting rid of your fucking useless 2A that is responsible for so much death and tragedy if it doesn’t do THE ONE THING that’s supposed to make all that fucking death and tragedy worthwhile

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          Do explain your understanding of the Constitutional amendment process and how that might play out in 2025 America.

          Either answer or shut the fuck up with your facile, childish notions.

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            “I support the 2A because it would not be political not to support it.” Orrrrrr you just like guns, and fuck the consequences.

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        Find some like minded people, take out some ICE personnel at night, take out their vehicles, make them all afraid to round people up.

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          Yeah this is the part they don’t want to accept because it’s ugly and it’s risky. It takes courage and conviction, and it takes planning and commitment.

          There are very few people who can do this, and even fewer who can do it successfully and also live a reasonably normal life without getting caught. The problem is that all the 2A people got convinced they were the vanguard but never actually were told what that means. They bought into the hype but never understood what it really meant. Now when it gets real and it gets ugly they find out they never were that guy, and they just wanted to cosplay as that guy because the guns are cool.

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      Have you petitioned your government to send MANPADS and other concealable, man-portable weaponry to groups in the US?

      Because that’s realistically what it would take. The US and NATO countries started helping Ukraine it its fight by sending in these types of man-portable weapons, drones, etc. They’re they type of thing that’s small enough to be snuck over a border in large numbers. And they’re the types of weaponry that could actually allow militia groups in the US, armed with civilian weaponry, to plausibly resist the military in any real capacity. Of course, the only source for this type of weaponry is other nation states.

      Realistically, any rebellion would need extensive foreign support. Just like every other rebellion/insurrection that’s happened over the last century or more.

      So, I ask again, how many letters, emails, and phone calls have you made to your leaders, encouraging them to send military grade weaponry to US resistance groups?

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        2016:

        ‘Mind your own business, it’s our right not to vote’

        2025:

        ‘If you want us to fix our shit send us MANPADS’

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      I’m going to fill you in on a little secret. Americans are a bunch of fucking pussies now.

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      Also an attack against a NATO founding member, by another NATO founding member, making it the most confusing triggering of article 5 requiring the US to come to the aid of Denmark against itself.

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        Fuck it then, full send it. Life sucks for me so I’ll happily go die in a snow pit defending a fellow EU country.

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        Why do liberals continue to assert American fascists acting on behalf of international finance and the O&G industry are always and forever a cat’s paw for the Evil Foreigners?

        Is it really that hard to believe American plutocrats might be the primary beneficiary of an American campaign to expand America’s territory?

        “We do need Greenland, absolutely. We need it for defense,” Trump told The Atlantic in an interview published Jan. 4, describing the island as reportedly “surrounded by Russian and Chinese ships.”

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          That’s not what was implied in the comment your replaying to, they just stated it’s something Putin would greatly enjoy and benefit from. Not that he or any other state or non state actor are pulling the strings.

          And they are correct, strategically it greatly benefits his aims in Ukraine for the EU to have its attention taken by the US annexing part of a member nation, not to mention the collapse of NATO.

          And I’m not defending anyone here, American and its rich rulers are pieces of shit, Putin and the Russian oligarchs are pieces of shit, and even though they aren’t doing anything wrong in this instance the leaders/authorities of every major player in geopolitics are also in fact pieces of shit.

          Edit: and before you start, politically I’m best described as an anarchist in the fashion of David Graeber so not a liberal by a long sight

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            it’s something Putin would greatly enjoy

            Why would Putin enjoy a heavy US naval presence in the contested Artic Circle waters?

            strategically it greatly benefits his aims in Ukraine for the EU to have its attention taken by the US

            The Danish are not meaningfully contributing to the Ukraine conflict. And there is no reason to believe the big EU militaries would stop feeding supplies to Ukraine if the US invaded Greenland.

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              lol done here you’re not worth any more effort, with you being daft as a brush and all that.

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              Why would Putin enjoy a heavy US naval presence in the contested Artic Circle waters?

              In theory, he might not like a heavy foreign naval presence, but Greenland is already NATO aligned. So he’d be trading a NATO aligned region for a US-only region in exchange for a fractured NATO. Sounds like a decent trade. Also keep in mind practically speaking they are probably equally unlikely to actually boost military presence much, and if they really wanted just that, NATO would probably mostly let them do it if USA paid for it, without USA having to take it.

              The Danish are not meaningfully contributing to the Ukraine conflict. And there is no reason to believe the big EU militaries would stop feeding supplies to Ukraine if the US invaded Greenland.

              This isn’t about just Denmark, which materially would barely be impacted right now since Greenland is doing practically nothing. It’s about the notion of one NATO member invading another, and the absolute clusterfuck that would bring. A USA versus European NATO scenario would be his dream scenario. See “Foundations of Geopolitics”, where it’s mostly about getting Russia’s opponents to fracture and ruin alliances:

              Russia should “introduce geopolitical disorder into internal American activity, encouraging all kinds of separatism and ethnic, social, and racial conflicts, actively supporting all dissident movements – extremist, racist, and sectarian groups, thus destabilizing internal political processes in the U.S. It would also make sense simultaneously to support isolationist tendencies in American politics”.

              This is also the book that makes annexation of Ukraine the top priority, that it must be secured before the broader Russian agenda can be executed. It also says they need to make the UK isolated from the broader EU. They know that above all else alliances must be broken for them to stand a chance to seize power.

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                This isn’t about just Denmark, which materially would barely be impacted right now since Greenland is doing practically nothing. It’s about the notion of one NATO member invading another, and the absolute clusterfuck that would bring.

                A lot of the Trump plan for Greenland’s annexation revolves around love-bombing the existing inhabitants and effectively buying the island out. Incidentally, not unlike the Chinese plan for Taiwan or the original Russian plan for Crimea. This follows domestic efforts on the island for full independence that Danish intelligence believes has been exacerbated by American media and intelligence interference.

                Obviously, ended up backfiring. But you don’t need a NATO invasion so much as a Color Revolution, which Americans have (historically) been pretty good at setting up.

                However you slice it, Russia doesn’t benefit from this in any material sense. And constantly holding the Russians up as a boogeyman when the crooks leading this scheme are squarely rooted inside the White House, not the Kremlin, is as obtuse as it is xenophobic. “Everything I don’t like is The Bad Foreigners” is the mentality that produced Trumpism to begin with. Liberals leaning into it only guarantee more Trumps into our future.

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      Its risky, but …OK. I’ll tell Schumer to release the next memo. VERY strong language in this one. There will also be a walk out and a minute of silence, in both the Senate and the House (probably).

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      Many of us have been trying to get people to organize online to do that in real time communities on say Matrix and Stoat to inform, collaborate, strengthen each other, etc but people need to stop scrolling, and do.

      The whole country as a matter of fact.

      How do we get through to people who want to be entertained?

      Plenty of us already are doing but we need way more

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    The US is great at invading other countries

    It has not the first clue how to safely keep one.

    In the past they toppled other legitimate governments by using the CIA to cause some sort of revolution and kill the legitimate rulers.

    None of that has lasted, and in the case of Iran directly led to the current theocratic dictatorship (Iran today is directly the result of US actions)

    If the US invades either one of Canada, Mexico, or Greenland, it’ll be fucked. Friends and allies won’t turn up to help, it might causea fucking world war instead.

    I don’t understand why nobody stops this. Even the CEO’s and all just be able to see that this isn’t going to end well for anyone

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      But if the CIA has to do another coup that is their job security.

      None of this large scale shit is ever meant to solve anything. Just extract value.

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      I dont understand why nobody stops this.

      We’ve tried nothing and we’re out of ideas. - The American Public

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      Historically, the poors loosw the most. So maybe it’s worth the gamble. So much technology is available to really 1984 the population when it is in a more manageable number.

      It also helps to have gentleman agreements with the rich on the other side. Elon has a satellite and can communicate without you knowing. So there’s that.

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      The US is great at invading other countries

      Be careful. The US actually is fantastic at invading other countries. At least we’re really good at the “bomb the existing regime to hell and topple it” part of the process. We’re great at invading other countries; we’re just not so good at running them after.

      But this is the type of invasion the US actually is pretty good at. The US isn’t proposing taking invading and then hoping to set up an independent democracy that for some reason remains our friend. That’s what we tried in Iraq, and it failed because you can’t just impose your will on a foreign population. You can’t make someone love you. You can’t make a nation willingly adopt your style of government.

      But invading Greenland? This isn’t a Middle East misadventure, invading a highly populated country. This is the US coming to a territory and saying, “this is ours now.” This means a few things.

      First, winning hearts and minds doesn’t matter. Once annexed and legally part of the US, if they try to break away, they’re not just insurgents, they’re rebels. Look at General Sherman for how the US has treated rebel territories. In Iraq, the theme was always, “at the end of the day, we’re not going to be running this place, we need the Iraqis to be able to run it, hopefully without hating our guts.” With Greenland, the theme would be, “we’re here for the land and resources. This is US territory now. If some Americans want to secede from the rest of America, well we know historically how to handle that…”

      Second, do you know why Greenland’s mining resources are so underdeveloped? It’s because there are only 56,000 Greenlanders. If they wanted to seriously open up their mining resources, they would have to bring in outside companies to really develop them. And this would require bringing in large numbers of foreign workers, mining experts, their families, etc. Realistically, the existing Greenlander population would likely become a minority group. Hell, the existing number of Greenlanders is so small, a rebellion could likely be dealt with by the US criminal justice system, the military wouldn’t even be required.

      The annexation of Greenland would look nothing like the invasion of Iraq or even a hypothetical annexation of Canada or Mexico. Making the territory a US state would mean any American citizen could move there. Any company could bring in workers to start exploiting mining claims. It would look more like the annexation of Texas. (Where the US had thousands of US citizens illegally move to the sparsely populated territory, and then push for annexation.) And if there was any kind insurgency, the US would treat it far harsher than it did the insurgencies of Iraq or Afghanistan.

      That’s not to say this would be a good thing, it wouldn’t. In many ways it would be much worse than the invasion of Iraq. It would be far more brutal and would result in the existing Greenlanders becoming a small ethnic minority in what is now their own country. And any insurgency would be brutally repressed in the manner of the US Civil War. And while insurgencies can pull off wonders, scale still matters. Whatever tiny insurgency a group of 56,000 people, people completely dependent on imported food and goods, can manage to produce? That is not something that can credibly stand up to the US military. Hell, it couldn’t even stand up to the FBI. They could raise some heroic 5,000 man rebel force, and the US could just have them all arrested.

      At the end of the day, 56,000 people cannot resist the might of 330 million. Smaller nations can drive out larger foreign invaders, but only if they’re at least of a similar order of magnitude of population. Ukraine can plausibly fight off Russia. A tiny city state can’t.

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        according to some danish journalists the idea was started by Ronald Lauder, some US billionaire. (he has some companies that use water from greenland or some shit)

        It’s even on his Wikipage…

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      Because there are systems in place which enable sociopaths and psychopaths to become the richest and most powerful people in the world and the world is never enough for them.

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      Didn’t you read their new national security strategy? They will use force and power to enforce peace (together with blackmail from their billionaire tech companies, if you investigate hate speech, desinformation or criticize them) instead of diplomacy. They never been part of the International Criminal Court anyway, from 1998, so they can do as they wish cause their army is insane smh this is all part of the plan, and continueing trumps work from his first term, america is for the americans, europe for ruzzia, and asia for china and india to figure out basically lol and they can use any dictatorian authorian power they like

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    Can we move forward to a post-apocalyptic world already? I really like the foreplay, but I’ve been ready for years.

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      We need GTA VI first at least with a few months of playtime. Then WWIII has it’s window.

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      In trumps head: In trumps world: America is for the Americans, Europe is for Russia, and Asia is for Indians and Chinese to figure out on their own.
      and america not part of ICC they just do what they feel like