Musk makes a product so shitty even China is like, hold up.
Good, it’s such an incredibly stupid design. Literally no one was bothered by a slight handle for better UX.
Why not have those plastic handles on the sides of the doors that don’t stick out? They could even have covers for them.
When even China has to ban your product due to safety concerns, you’ve probably made some seriously bad design choices somewhere along the line.
Fuck Musk and Fuck Swasticars!
There’s no excuse left for driving one except having bought it before this year.
Buying Tesla is funding fascism and corruption. All Musk companies need breaking up!
Glances nervously at Ford, BMW, VW, Mitsubishi, etc…
Well yeah that’s true. I’m driving an 18 year old second hand VW myself… the fuckers do keep running.
I could never afford a Tesla anyway even if I wanted one - I’m glad to say I always hated them as cars.
But ugh… Musk literally did the Hitler salute, twice to make sure, on live TV, and he is responsible for the real-time deaths of millions of people.
We can’t always do much about politicians but when it comes to business fucks like him, we can dismantle that bastard and his companies everywhere they exist… including in space!
More great news fot Tesla stock!
Can China ban retina burning headlights, rear facing floodlights and aftermarket exhausts now?
Don’t ban aftermarket exhausts completely, just the ones that optimize for loudness or dirtier air.
I’d like to see devices that detect when a car is running too rich or lean (bad cases I can smell right away, so it should be detectable at a range), along with enforcement and seizing vehicles where they deliberately mess with those, especially if there’s a switch or function present that can switch between legal and illegal modes to pass emissions tests and then go back to spewing out unburnt fuel or a much higher number of nitrous oxide compounds.
Is that why I hear so many backfiring cars now?
Good
As they should, stupid over complicated and absolutely failure ridden unnecessary design. kinda like this poorly worded statement
Musk nearly bankrupted Tesla when he insisted that the door handles must be flush after stealing the company from its original founders.
I mean, “stealing” is a strong word. Elon bought them out, and they’re both enjoying a net worth in the hundreds of million.
What’s more disturbing about Elon’s tenure as head of the company is how social media manipulation, insider trading, and blatant SEC violations can pump a company’s valuation into the stratosphere.
Marc Tarpenning and Martin Eberhard both continued to contribute advances in engineering that far exceeded the Tesla project. But they’ll never have the kind of easy credit Elon secured through politics and media manipulation. So don’t expect to see them included among the ranks of “billionaire” any time soon.
“Bought them out” is a weak word too though. He placed loyal people on the board and had them vote to give him control of the company.
And now he has been having them vote to give him absurd unseen before “salaries”
He placed loyal people on the board and had them vote to give him control of the company.
He could place loyalists on the board because he bought a controlling interest in the company.
And now he has been having them vote to give him absurd unseen before “salaries”
The latest compensation package has virtually unattainable sales targets. And the compensation is almost entirely in equity that assumes a monumental increase in stock valuation.
If he can manage it, I’d be tempted to say he earned it, except I know he’ll only “hit” the target by lying and market manipulation that will collapse as soon as he hits his mark.
Like having space x buy thousands of cyber cucks?
Or donating those shitty dangerous trucks to the Vegas police?
Or when his Canadian dealerships sold themselves hundreds of cars on the last week of government subsidies?
He’s gonna cheat to get his trillion, brag about having the biggest number, and try and fuck the country even more to keep him powerful. These robber barons need to be stopped and imprisoned bodies they can harm the rest of us any more.
He’s gonna cheat to get his trillion
He’s going to try. Even then, the bar is higher than just nibbling at the margins. And everything is stacked on the shoulders of an overall positive outlook for the US economy in total. He can’t insource all his car sales in any practical sense. And he can’t use options markets to outrun the perpetual gaggle of Tesla bears nipping at his heels. He also can’t reliably expect Congress to bail him out when he’s made this many enemies inside both the White House and Congress.
That’s not to say he won’t get a piece of paper with “$1T” written on it from his company at some point. But nothing in the Tesla financials suggests he will have anywhere to cash it.
Yeah, thanks for clarifying my intent. I’m pretty sure he’s going to ride whatever is left of this AI bubble in finance to get his $1T number. He’ll never ever be able to cash out, but I don’t think he cares about that, he wants the power that comes with the number. It’d be nice to see the lending market smarten up and tell him to pound sand. I guess he has to fail for them to stop though. Money talks louder then Nazi salutes.
I worry he’s going to fuck out space industry in the process of fleecing NASA though. Hopefully there are enough adults in charge to stop that, but until the midterms (if they happen) I don’t think congress will be doing anything but infighting about the speaker position and hand wringing over the expected red losses.
I have long observed that moving parts, particularly involving motors, are destined to give me grief as a car ages. The difference is that little motorized interior luxuries aren’t going to prevent people from pulling my unconscious body out of a burning wreck, while these door handles have for dozens of people
Common China W
Is it really that hard to make one of those recessed handles with a mechanical linkage instead of an electric one?
Seems like the real issue is the electric door latch itself, not the style of handle.
The handles themselves freeze down and won’t pop up to allow someone to actually open the door. Freezing rain and sleet and prevent even traditional style handles are known to freeze up and stop working.
Tesla whined about it citing all the crap they’d have to work around in their design in order to make a normal mechanical linkage. Funny how no other upper tier manufacturer has trouble with all the power windows and window power pre-offsetting for interference fits. They manage to have mechanical linkages.
Yeah I’m not shocked the major car company with the least amount of experience in mechanical engineering had that issue.
Give that to a team of 90’s Honda engineers and they’d have it done by lunch with a price tag a 1/3rd of the Tesla mechanism.
Oh those Honda engineers would have laughed and laughed. “Aluminum chassis and plastic body support?!” I can hear them say through hysterics.
Yeah, the style at the time was “rust chassis and paint is body support” tbh
Aluminum chassis is the one thing I ain’t gonna give Tesla any shit about.
That doesn’t follow. The 3 and y both have mechanical handles that only close flush by a spring for aerodynamics. Literally every manufacturer has copied that in at least one model.
Only the s, x, and CT have retractable handles, and it’s mostly Chinese cars that copy that.
Isn’t the CT a button with an electronic door popper? Where did I read that?
These recessed handles usually have some sort of fallback. For me, I don’t want rescuers to have a single second of uncertainty of how to open my car. They should be able to quickly yank the door open, not fumble for some recessed/hidden button. Every second counts.
Must be nice having a functional government
Americans are going to mandate retractable handles in response
Cool I’d love to see less of these handles in America if they are flush.
I don’t think China or the US would be called nice in this regard.
Well, the US is very nice to corporations which is why they’re often left to self regulate, are regulated by former industry insiders, or are barely regulated through fines and settlements
So yeah I suppose in this regard China is not being nice but being nice doesn’t effectively regulate corporations. This is in fact a good example of a functional government doing its job
Your original statement said must be nice as in it must be nice for the governed. Not that the country was being nice. The governments of both countries are complete garbage. Must be nice to have this one thing work is different than either being a functional government for its people.
Well it is in fact nice for the governed when their governments enforce good regulations. I’m not sure what’s in dispute here, do you not think it’s nice to have a proper regulation in place that will be followed?
Your original statement called the US and China not nice so I just followed your grammar logic 🤷♀️
Are you just desperate to have us acknowledge that these countries have serious flaws too?
I apologize if my original statement was not clear, I was also following suit and meant nice for the individual. Essentially I was saying one governmental nicety doesn’t make up for the country’s govt being a cluster fuck. Having the government perform one thing functional is not the same as a functional government. That was my point.
China and America are perfectly functional governments despite their flaws. Are you just looking for an opportunity to dunk on them?
In the area of automative regulation America is the only developed nation to have increased traffic deaths over the past decade or so. You can go verify that fact.
So when it comes to seeing China implement a basic automative regulation, it is indeed a “must be nice” situation.
The problem with your original statement is that it’s stupid and patronizing
No it seems the problem is you appear to think because there are a few positives, the governments are functional. So I guess it depends on what you mean by functional. You are welcome to disagree, I was just clearing up what I meant. There are people that say at least Hitler made the trains run on time. I wouldn’t say functional though.
There is a large demand for Teslas in China believe it or not. Very possible this is just motivated by trying to favor Chinese automakers more so than out of genuine safety concerns.
Good.
As should the rest of the world.
I remember noting the bad handles and windows when sitting in one.
It all depends on the details, I kid the article is blatantly wrong
All Tesla models use flush, electronically actuated handles that blend into the bodywork
I believe this is only the model s and x, a small minority of their vehicles.
My model y has a physically presented handle - you press on one side to pop out the other - NOT electronic self-presenting. I believe that’s true of model 3 and y, the vast majority of teslas.
That being said, there’s several things this may mean. Is it just the self-presenting they don’t like? What about buttons like on the cybertruck? What about the manual operated handle like on the model 3 and y? Or is the important part the electronic latch mechanism internally? I have no idea what safety features that has.
If it’s literally just the self-presenting handles on the high end models like the article mentions, that’s probably no big deal. They don’t sell many of those and the model x especially is way overdue for redesign or to be ended. Hopefully it’s more than that though
I still feel the handles where you have to press to make it appear are unintuitive and an example of form over safety. I have used them in Ubers and I always have a quarter second remembering how to open them. I don’t want a first responder to have to deal with that delay.
Yeah I’ve noticed people take a bit to figure it out even after I explain it. But as an owner it quickly becomes natural. It’s not all that different to use that a standard handle - the older style that used to have a button on the handle. As long as you use the correct hand, your thumb is ready to press exactly as if there were a button, then the jangle pops out and your hand is there to grab it exactly as the old style to pull after pressing the button
But I guess my main issue here is not all teslas are the same, so it’s important to be specific and precise.
Given that the underlying cause is trying to make a “Software Defined Vehicle” (SDV) I have to imagine most of the Chinese EVs have similar implementation. There’s also a fairness concern: are they specifically targeting Tesla or are they actually concerned about safety across all similar implementations?
The article doesn’t single out Tesla. They call it Tesla-style since they pioneered this kind of design and most Americans associate Tesla with it, but as the article mentions, in China, various brands have adopted that motorized retractable handle setup, or the push to expose handle of the Model 3, or the complete lack of handle like the Cybertruck. I was in a couple EVs when I visited China and each time was completely mystified on how to get in the car, lol. Because these retracting handles are not standardized, it produces hazards, such as when people are rushing to pull a driver from a sinking or burning car, when every second counts.
