• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    If Newsom wins he picks the DNC chair and he’ll pick someone solidly in the oligarchs pocket.

    Don’t forget he started 2025 off by having Kirk and Bannon on his podcast and sucking them off about how smart they are and how they’re right on “social issues” like if LGBTQ people should be allowed to exist in society…

    It’s fucking dissapointing that people keep eating out of his hand for social media posts an intern is posting.

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    I would only support Gavin Newsom’s candidacy if he became homeless for a few years and demonstrated personal growth and a capacity for empathy from the experience.

    spoiler

    I’m exaggerating, but it’d take a lot for me to become convinced he is a suitable candidate in our dire situation.

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      Best he can do is Starting from Zero and becoming a millionaire in a year to show you anyone can do it (as long as they have a clean bill of health and a college education and connections from their time in office and…)

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        As I recall, the one guy that tried to do that used personal connections he had made before “giving up all his wealth”, and he still couldn’t make it a year because it was affecting his health or something.

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        Gavin Newsom is free to earn my vote? I don’t see how your question is relevant - the election is years out.

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      I’d settle for him not being a major shareholder for the power utility that he’s supposed to be protecting his citizens from. In completely unrelated news, we pay the highest energy prices on planet earth. What a coincidence.

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      Yeah I’m not convinced of Newsom either. Don’t think he’s really shown that he’s free of corporate interests and will fight for the working class.

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      So unless there is a perfect Democrat candidate you prefer letting Trump have his third term?

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        3 months ago

        At this point in time, I feel it’d be healthy for us to be expressing what policies we’d like to see a candidate supporting instead of giving a moderate (with effectively no vision for a more desirable future) our support by default.

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    Please stop doing the DNC’s work for them by amplifying Gavin Newsom. We need real change in this country, not a return to the status quo.

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      We need to win an election. 2026 is not going to be a blue wave. 2028 IDK even what’s going to happen but if we aren’t running a serious candidate, it’s over. There is no time for “let’s find someone that passes every single group’s tests.” This is time for “getting our shit together.”

      Bill Clinton said it right, Republicans fall in line, Democrats fall in love. Y’all need to stop thinking this a budding romance. It’s not. It’s the business of recapturing middle America’s vote to have enough of a party to DO things like educate voters, which is not happening at all right now, which can then turn into the social change we want. Trying to get out the door with ideologically out-of-touch positions, like letting homeless people encamp anywhere they want, makes middle America turn away from us. It sets us up for failure, and then NO ONE helps the homeless.

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        If you want to capture middle America’s vote then run progressive candidates with an economic populist platform. That’s not out of touch, it’s a proven strategy. The DNC leadership is more interested in keeping the support of their wealthy donors than in recapturing middle America’s vote. They would rather lose elections than lose their donors.

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          My own father is quiet about his political views for all that I’ve known him. He is a boomer. He detests Trump, but it did come up in conversation he actually LIKED Kamala’s efforts to shake hands with Liz Cheney and the like. So I at least know the demographic the Democrats attempt to cater to is not non-existent.

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          There’s growing evidence Democrats do better when they moderate (get closer to average American’s viewpoints) than go extreme progressive (go away from average American’s viewpoints). Again people are turned off by extreme positions. So many people voted for Trump, or didn’t vote for Dems, because they believe we sponsor sex change surgery for minors, or paying for immigrants’ sex changes (I know it’s called gender reassignment surgery, but this is how middle America talks about it).

          How the hell is going more progressive, spending more time talking about trans girls playing sports (a wildly unpopular topic), vs going in with a hard-hammered message of economic stability, which is what people keep voting for?

          Whenever I hear leftists talking about going more progressive, I wonder if you’ve spent any time wandering around the flyover states, talking to the average farmer or factory worker, because they decide the president, not us. We are out of touch with them, and nothing we are doing is drawing them in - only turning them off.

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            Did they vote for Trump because he was the centrist position? Did pandering towards center work for Kamala? Is “spending more time talking about trans girls playing sports” really what Schmoo meant when he was talking about progressive/left economic populism? People like Zohran seem very popular right now. They aren’t centrist.

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            Here’s a list of progressive policies that the Democratic leadership have made taboo and their approval ratings:

            Medicare for All shows majority support in nearly every poll.

            55% support raising the federal minimum wage.

            An overwhelming majority support ending citizens united.

            59% support the green new deal.

            79% support raising taxes on the rich.

            These numbers vary by single digit percentage points from poll to poll, not enough to change the conclusion - that progressive policy is overwhelmingly popular - which is why it’s so frustrating that you’re defending Democrats shying away from those policies to appeal to a mythical “moderate.” Zohran Mamdani’s campaign shows you don’t have to back down on trans rights to run an economics focused campaign, and it’s the progressive economic policies that are the most popular. When people hear Democrats hem and haw about “economic stability” they hear “we’re not going to change anything about the system that’s fucking you with a rusty tire iron.”

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        The Democrats and DNC are doing everything in their power to NOT win elections though. They refuse to care about candidates like Omar Fateh, Abdul El-Sayed, Graham Platner, and Kat Abughazaleh. Their consultant class time and again wants them to run lukewarm candidates that are backed by AIPAC.

        We need real change. Leftist economic populism will be how the Dems & DNC pick up momentum, after which social populism will be a slam dunk.

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        I don’t agree with the first but totally do the second. The Republican party fell in line and bridge divides across factions for the purpose of winning the government. Dems can’t seem to get past their ideological purity tests. Do you really think classic Republicans like maga? Fuck no they don’t, but they like winning and winning keeps them in power.

        You have to win to run a government and shape it how you please. Period.

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      You don’t want the guy who praised Kirk and Bannon and who does photo ops removing homeless people from their camps? Picky voter /s

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      Last thing I need is for politics to become the GN v. LMG rivalry. Steve would be a good president if I hear one more “he should have just talked to Linus” I’m gonna lose my mind.

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            Is it for needs?
            Or more like occasional enthusiast-adjacent folk (a bit more towards pop)?

            (I’m actually asking, never really followed anything they do, but all the headlines I saw seemed very much like “watch it for fun, not info” type of deals.)

            I am aware they are fairly giant (revenue) for what they do tho.

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    Kinda weird to host a themed party to not dress up? Like… generate an asthetic to behold for yourself, but then not actually participate… kinda spoils the effect for others. But not you, I guess.

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    Gavin Newsom is not the answer to Donald Trump. He’s a lackey to big corporations.

    AOC on the other hand

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      Hahahahahaha

      Until we get rid of capitalism nothing will change.

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      You mean totally fine with genocide in Palestine if that’s what her handlers tell her AOC? That one?

      She’s divisive enough to divide the democrat party again and let another ahitlick fascist like this through.

      Like I cannot harp enough on super callous fascist sexist nazi POTUS, but if Hillary had sat the fuck down in 2016 we would’ve never had this goddamn problem. Shame on the entire DNC for letting it happen and shutting out Bernie, but Hillary had the personal power to let it happen and refused.

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        You won’t have free elections anymore, so all these conjectures aren’t even in question.

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      It’s as much a meme as 99% of the other “Text with a political message” posts there are on here.

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    But Gavin… While the country was under stay-at-home and isolate orders during COVID, you hosted a party.

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    The rhetoric in here…

    People, third parties will kill your chances. That is a fact. This is true in all first past the post/winner takes all systems, but especially the US one where the parties can just sandbag each other and do nothing, meaning the conservatives win.

    Secondly, you may like to make some guillotine memes, but lets be real. You’re not that guy. You aren’t planning some secret spec ops assassination of the crew behind trump. You didn’t do it for any of the lead up, and you won’t do it now.

    Thirdly, if your progressive sweetheart (and believe me, I’d prefer them too), got into the white house, you very same people would quickly get angry at them and say they aren’t doing enough because you completely fail to understand your own system and this very next point.

    If you actually want to see a turn around, it will be long, boring, slow and unfun. You will not get big results in 1, 2, or even 3 terms. It doesn’t work that way.

    You not only have to keep democrats winning, but also have to slowly flip enough seats to progressive politicians within said party that they significantly change the parties voting patterns and leadership. Its not just that either, you have to get enough of the population to vote for people, a lot of whom you will hate, that they get a super majority in the senate, at the same time as they have a simple majority in the house, and at the same time as they have a president. Only when all 3 of those things happen simultaneously could you possibly even hope to have the types of changes we all want to see implemented implemented.

    There is no other way within this system. Its built to be slow and has more inertia than you can imagine. You’re not about to uproot that system, so you have to understand it, even if you don’t like it.