• TootSweet@lemmy.worldEnglish
    722·
    5 months ago

    They’re openly disdainful of all things Open Source and OSI, and their software is not Open Source.

    They’re a fully for-profit company using consumer rights kind of rhetoric to manipulate people in service to FUTO’s own pocketbook. Don’t fall for their use of the .org tld or promises to “never abuse customers”.

    I’ve written many times about what assholes FUTO is. I’m fully convinced they’re way more part of the problem than part of the solution and they’re not to be trusted.

    They’ve soured me on Rossman. Back when he was doing coverage of things like the court cases around right to repair and tractors and stuff, I watched a few videos of his and thought he was awesome. And then he got involved with FUTO and started billing Grayjay as “Open Source” and I’ve gotten sufficiently disillusioned with FUTO that I haven’t followed Rossman at all. I’ve got coworkers changing their avatars to Clippy and shit, and I believe their hearts are in the right place, but I can’t in good conscience really get behind anything or anyone associated with FUTO.

    Edit: Oh. I honesty didn’t even see this OP was a link to an article. Lol. Now I’m very interested to go read that article.

    Edit 2: Shite. I’ve now read the article. I knew FUTO was assholes in a lot of different ways, but now I know how deeply, completely irredeemable they really are.

  • dustyData@lemmy.world
    491·
    5 months ago

    Why does every mobile keyboard developer have some controversial shit. I just want to text in peace.

    • ShortN0te@lemmy.ml
      21·
      5 months ago

      Luckily thanks to their licensing model they basically cannot. Immich has according to github as of now 1606 contributors. Changing the license so that there could even be a proprietary fork would require basically the ok by every contributor (that made a relevant code contribution)

      • Ferk@lemmy.ml
        17·
        5 months ago

        And even if they did somehow manage to get permission to switch the license, all previous versions would still be open in perpetuity so a fork would come easily. Immich source isn’t only open, and not only GPL… but AGPL-3.0 which is as copyleft as you can get.

        • kureta@lemmy.ml
          10·
          5 months ago

          Thank God! That’s a relief. I thought I was going to have to redo my entire photo library hosting stuff.

  • ChocolateFrostedSugarBombs@lemmy.world
    271·
    5 months ago

    Son of a BITCH! I’m so fucking tired of this… Everywhere you look you gotta examine EVERYTHING about a company/group because they might be fascists now…I love Grayjay, it was working so great and I loved the proclaimed mission…I was even trying to get FCast to work since I lost casting ability when I moved to Linux…

    I’m just gonna take a break over here for a bit.

    • theparadox@lemmy.worldEnglish
      41·
      5 months ago

      I’m with you. It’s so goddamn hard not to be black pilled these days. Everyone is either greedy and looking to take you for all you are worth, a misogynist, a rapist, a fascist, or some combination of all 4 and some other horrible 5th and 6th thing that I can’t think of right now. Lies and disinformation are so prevalent and there are so few consequences that it feels like nothing is what it seems.

      If you care about some random issue “A”, there is an entire industry ready to take your money in exchange for the lie that your contribution or patronage is helping “A” when it’s just lining someone’s pockets.

      Want to make sure you can buy a thing that isn’t made with child slave labor? I hope you did your research because of the 8 companies “certified” as child-slave-labor free, 3 still use child-slave-labor and just paid for certification, 3 use a supplier that uses it, 1 only uses it part time, and one is legitimately what it claims to be… oh no, wait, they were just bought out by a pro-child-slave-labor corp… I hate everything.

  • Cris@lemmy.worldEnglish
    22·
    5 months ago

    EDIT: Apparently louis left futo some number of months ago, thank you to another user for letting me know in a reply below

    This is informative, and unfortunate.

    I will be honest, I don’t really expect louis will wade into this issue at all, since he seems to be very uncomfortable with any of the “political” or partisan aspects of the issues he covers.

    I can empathize with why one might be that way, but I hope I’m wrong, it would be rather disappointing.

    Maybe it’s time for me to open some feature requests on the helicopter repo for futo keyboard features I’d really miss if I left it behind… It’d be good for both projects to be feature rich and competitive anyway

      • Cris@lemmy.worldEnglish
        61·
        5 months ago

        I’m gonna be really honest, to me that feels like it strays really far into reading people’s minds and headcannoning what’s going on on them. But perhaps you’ve seen more from him than I have, and you’re basing that assessment on greater familiarity.

        I do think it’s worth being mindful about how much we assume we know the inner workings of random people through a screen, though.

      • Cris@lemmy.worldEnglish
        3·
        5 months ago

        Wait, he did? I had no idea

        Is that what “fulu” has been about?

        I wish my comment included that context for all the people who saw it but I was completely unaware

    • 3abas@lemmy.world
      2·
      5 months ago

      How so? I’m not doubting, I just didn’t see any of that evidence in the article.

      • Orygin@sh.itjust.works
        91·
        5 months ago

        Have you read the same article?
        The founder hosted a debate with an open fascist then gave him a platform on the FUTO YouTube channel.

        • dev_null@lemmy.ml
          36·
          5 months ago

          Do words mean anything anymore? That is an argument for them being fascists. But how are they “openly” fascist? Where is their statement, where they openly state “we are fascists”?

          Because they might be, but I don’t think they ever openly said so.

          • dustyData@lemmy.worldEnglish
            41·
            5 months ago

            Yeah, because thieves go around making public statements of “we are thieves!”

            • dev_null@lemmy.ml
              25·
              5 months ago

              Exactly my point, and yet the commenter claims FUTO do that, even though they obviously aren’t, because who would.

              • dustyData@lemmy.worldEnglish
                31·
                5 months ago

                But if your roommate says he isn’t a thief, however he always hangs around with the local gang and continuously brings used stuff that he has no way of legally acquiring since he doesn’t even have a job. I don’t know man, you have to start asking questions.

                Mike is not a nazi, he just goes to the nazi bar because he likes the beer.

                • dev_null@lemmy.ml
                  32·
                  5 months ago

                  says he isn’t a thief

                  Well that’s the entire issue, isn’t it? If he says he isn’t a thief, then he’s a thief who clearly isn’t open about it. Just like Mike isn’t openly a nazi, he’s just a nazi who’s lying about not being one.

  • seraphine@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    18·
    5 months ago

    WHY. GODDAMN WHY is it lately that any organization behind products i like turn out to be extreme assholes? we’re on a streak atm i feel like

  • demizerone@lemmy.world
    192·
    5 months ago

    Aw man I knew there was something wrong here. I gave them money for the keyboard and the voice talk and immich bcz I was a Rossman fan. They played him and me. Fuck these fascists.

  • HotChickenFeet@sopuli.xyz
    6·
    5 months ago

    I’ll take a look at the interviews later tonight.

    A few minor items stuck out as a bit disingenuous to me:

    The donation page that FUTO used includes this explanation: “This offer is for individuals, and may be available to small organizations on request. Commercial entities wishing to be listed as sponsors should inquire by email.” It’s pretty clear that there are special instructions for institutional donors who wish to receive musl’s endorsement as thanks for their contribution.

    It DOES say that, but literally only for the "monthly contribution > 150 section. For a one time grant of 1000 dollars, it doesn’t appear to say anything.

    FUTO appears to list efforts it has donated to (and use their name/logo), under the title, “Our sponsored grant programs”. Which to me seems more of a semantic argument of whether they can say they’ve donated to something or not.

    The inclusion of a logo without permission is a good critique, nonetheless. Likewise, if they are lying about donating to some of these projects, that is a problem.

    • The author makes a point of complaining about a video posted to odysee. There are not many great options for posting videos outside of Youtube. That FUTO would post videos to multiple other youtube alternatives, including odysee and peertube does not seem like a surprise to me. Not saying anything about the video though, until I’ve sat and watched.
    • HotChickenFeet@sopuli.xyz
      3·
      5 months ago

      So, I’ll start by saying that I think FUTO may have changed their messaging on their website TODAY Regarding this. They now have three split sections,

      1. what they develop/fund
      2. “sponsored grants” (logos used)
      3. “donations, ~60K” (logos not used)

      That seems more sensible if they have small donations to OSS efforts or individuals who maintain them. It would be excellent for every group listed to review if they or any developer received donations from FUTO and publically decry falsity (as the 3 in the article mentioned)

      Videos:

      I don’t know Yarvin, don’t know shit about him. But wikipedia entry on him is not heartwarming. It does seem an odd choice to have the two videos posted by FUTO. The one is fairly mundane, but the interview with Rossman is just strange as hell in general, and disconcerting. rossman mostly just seems uncomfortable as heck. And Yarvin seems like an insufferable know it all who wants to explain everything and not give anybody the chance to complete their thought.

      So I’d say endorsing this video is a dark side to FUTO. It should have been easy to stay mostly apolitical and focus on ownership and software. Not conversations about the efficacy of monarchy.

      FUTO manifesto/open source:

      I can at least palate that a group could think that open source is not working. There are successes and failures. Linux is a great success. Android is becoming less so as it is dominated more by vendors & Google. Talent, resources, time is continually sunk into would-be inferior software at companies. Those softwares that have closed source, harvest our data, and ultimately don’t have our interests in mind - are often more polished, and attractive to the majority of users out there. One or two people primarily heading an open source repo can often make an awesome competitive software, but perhaps not as polished and with the threat of losing time to maintain it, archive the repo, etc. In that regard, offering optional licenses to pay base wages to attract talent while still letting you verify the code you execute - could still be appealing if successful.

      I believe in FOSS, and will embrace & use it til I die, but I’m willing to entertain they have a difference in opinion on what will most advance our interests.

  • Catalyst_A@lemmy.ml
    6·
    5 months ago

    Shit I really liked them. Their keyboard is incredible and Grayjay is hard to replace on desktop. But I’ll get started on replacing them. Any ideas on a good keyboard that’s open-source? Not anysoftkeyboard or mantis. Tried them.

    • Catalyst_A@lemmy.ml
      4·
      5 months ago

      Replaced their keyboard with heliboard and went back to newpipe. Sucks. Fucking fascist.

      • Ephera@lemmy.mlOPEnglish
        2·
        5 months ago

        Yeah, HeliBoard or FlorisBoard would’ve been my recommendation. They’re very similar, though (and presumably share most code between themselves).