Stupid ass private education bullshit

  • Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world
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    In Australia University used to be free. At some point they realised that Asia is close and has a virtually limitless supply of rich parents who want to pay big money for their kids to be lawyers and doctors.

    Education is now one of Australia’s main exports.

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    I guess you’re talking about the US.

    Well, everything costs money there: education, health, safety… It’s capitalist dystopia.

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    It doesn’t. It costs money to skip a lot of the effort and have someone guide you through a curriculum and give you direct guidance and feedback on how to get that knowledge.

    I have an Engineering degree, everything I learned there could absolutely be learned by someone curious poking around on the internet for videos, papers, and course slides that you’ll probably need to read alongside a wiki page. They tend to come up pretty quickly once you’re familiar enough with a field to start investigating one level deeper from a basic high school education.

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    Because knowledge is power.

    But also it depends. Learn on the job is a thing too in some industries, and in some people can do quite well for themselves here.

    It also costs money to make money, if you have a lot of it you can make it work for you and make even more than someone who doesn’t have it. This is why kids of rich ass parents get it so easy.

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    It doesn’t.

    It takes time and effort to gain more knowledge. It has never been cheaper or more accessible to acquire knowledge than it is today.

    To increase your intelligence, is another matter all together.

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      I would also add that damn near all of human information is free to be had on the internet for the low, low price of a monthly broadband bill. The real expense comes when you want a piece of paper that says you know all this that other people will take seriously.

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        While absolutely true. I would say it’s much harder to find today than ten years ago. The Internet as an information source is being degraded on a daily basis. The amount of misinformation, ads disguised as information, and AI slop is destroying your ability to find that information.

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          Textbooks on any subject are easily retrievable for free. You could previously go to a library, but the internet makes it much easier to retrieve that kind of information.

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    Disclaimer: I 100% support “free” healthcare and “free” education.

    Being a teacher is a job. Being a college professor is a job. Being a nurse is a job. Being a janitor for a college campus is a job. People need money and benefits to do jobs. We’ve not yet achieved a post-scarcity economy where people can work without being reimbursed for their efforts.

    Anyone who labels the goal of providing publicly-funded education or publicly-funded healthcare as “free” is either arguing in bad faith or too naive to understand what the goal should be. As a society we should provide public services, such as education and healthcare, to all humans who ask for it. For the good of all humans. But it’s something we all have to collectively fund.

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        Not at all.

        By calling for education and healthcare to be free, you’re voluntarily giving ammunition to politicians that they can use to sway low-information voters.

        If every person who supported public education and public healthcare stopped calling it free right now, the people against these public services would still call them free. Because they want it to sound like people are trying to get something for nothing. They like it when we call it free.

        Calling something free just conforms to the narrative that education and healthcare are something you would have to pay for in the first place. Why would you ever have to pay for a basic human right?

        • Caveman@lemmy.world
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          Idno man, that’s sounds like a very America brained argument. When people say free healthcare they don’t mean we should have self sustaining health slaves colony to heal us up for no money. Obviously it’s going to cost tax money if it’s not directly billing the consumer.

          Public healthcare also doesn’t mean free healthcare. In Iceland it’s subsidised 90% with a wax payment of like $200 monthly or something so it’s not free, but it is public. You can also have free but private

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    I’d argue it doesn’t, and moreover you cannot buy intelligence.

    Sure, you can buy some books with some stuff in it and memorize that stuff, or pay for a class on some stuff and test well, but critical thinking skills seem to either innately exist, or not (depending on the individual in question), within us.

    I’ve met people with pieces of paper that proclaim them to be certified smart that are dumb as rocks but were simply able to move through the system well enough to fool people, and people who have no such paper who are more intelligent than the former could ever hope to be. Shit happens.

  • /home/pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    Formal education isn’t for education but for the formal paper. There is so much information on the web, just learn from that. Also, libraries often times have material other than physical books

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    It was free until some time in the 1960s when black people started getting involved in higher education, then the republicans got big mad about that and changed the rules because they’re racist pieces of shit. They would rather make everyone suffer if it hurts one person who isn’t a white christian republican.

    There’s more detail but that’s the short version.

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      Honestly, there isn’t hardly anything you couldn’t learn on your own. But what higher education provides is structure. It can be very difficult to actually follow through with the education if you do not have scheduled classes, exams you have to study for, deadlines for projects/exams, etc

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    It’s still free. You’re not paying for the education, you are paying teachers and university buildings/materials. No one is stopping you from going to the library and learning. The internet hosts a large wealth of knowledge.

    I’m ready for those downvotes, but it’s just a hardpill to swollow

    • Banana@sh.itjust.works
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      I would argue that primarily youre paying for the recognition of your education, as in your diploma, which is often what employers look at.

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      Institution based learning is unbelievably more effective though. Professional educators, structured courses and external reviews of ones learning are not only helpful, for higher levels of education they are vital. No amount of going to the library will make you a surgeon or an engineer or a scientist.

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        Institution based learning is can be unbelievably more effective.

        Institution based learning also creates a bunch of barriers primarily because “learning” is not the main purpose of a modern university.

        Those “professional educators” are often researchers moonlighting as educators, experts on their field, but rarely in addition to education. Their metrics are also not how well is material “taught” but to achieve a standard distribution of grades which can result in some real perverse incentives.

        Those “structured courses” have the same fundamental design flaw of primary education. They aren’t designed primarily for learning, they’re designed for factory work and obedience.

        That’s not touching on the more critical part of financial incentives and how financial strain, and excessive amounts of stress in general, is not conducive to a learning environment.

        Source: self made electric engineer thanks to the library and the dump.

      • Zen_Shinobi@lemmy.world
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        Not denying that. But there is more knowledge found than at a university. My arguement was that you are paying the teacher whom has first hand experience they can share to their students, not strictly education itself.

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    Private lessons don’t make you smarter. They just make you more well equipped with.

    I am a lifetime student. I am not smarter. I am not a smarty pant