Wow… So you are expected to feel ghosted/rejected 100 times a week, and upwards to 1500 in total? I wonder how healthy that must be for your psyche…
We didn’t have psyches back in the day. Just a can-do attitude and strong values.
And a bottle of alcohol too many here and there. And hobbies such as beating your wife black and blue in front of your kids. And fatal accidents from speeding around in our souped up cars.
Just none of that psyche shit, okay?
SLASH S.
Missing to hear about your bootstraps??? Did you pull them up at all??? I need to know!!!
Of course, everyone did it back then…
Though quite a few got it all wrong and ended up with a form of bootstrap tightly around their neck and hanging from a joist in the garage.
Or they accidentally fell off high buildings due to pulling their bootstraps up while on a roof.
Or they accidentally lassoed a bottle of vodka in to their mouths with the bootstraps, drank themselves in to a stupor, and then accidentally went driving and crashed.
BUT THERE WAS NONE OF THAT THE PSYCHE SHIT. Right, I’m off to do some wholesome beating of my wife and kids.
And sometimes people had accidents cleaning their guns. With their mouths. But that’s just the cost of bearing arms, no mental health problems
I mean, it was normal getting a bit beaten up a kid for doing dumb stuff. It builds character! That’s why everyone ended up so funcional as adults, no? … No?
A real # is probably 25 a week, which IMO is still quite brutal on mental health.
In case anyone would like a reminder, this is a market failure and doesn’t reflect on you personally whatsoever.
Also, every interview:
“So, why do you want to work with us, specifically?”
Well, specifically, I need money for housing, bills, and food.
Also, specifically, you gave me an interview so I’m now really interested in working…at wherever this place is. That’s it, really.
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I mean, yeah, I could blow smoke up your arse if you really wan me to. But I would hope you’d have the intelligence to realise that it’s bullshit and that nowadays it’s all about money. I whore my time out and you give me money. When do I start?[puts hand on sholder] They arn’t *intelligence enough to realise that it’s bullshit and that nowadays it’s all about money. * Managers specificly are paid to drink the coolaid, unless your being hired by a triple threat (can do the job, manage people, and spin it all for managment above them) your going to be stuck working for some peter principal shmuck who is probably good enough at one of those things.
Not to be too pesimistic but your job is to blow smoke, unless your working for yourself or you managed to find one of those unicorn bosses. In the latter case, do what you can to be along for their ride.
They know it’s bs and want to hire fellow people who can spew bs
Exactly. You can’t possibly submit over 100 applications per week while also using any kind of reasonable discretion about wether the job is something you actually want to do, that you can actually do competently, somewhere that you can reasonably do it. You’re just an application shotgun at that point and you’re wasting the time of everyone involved.
I hate this question.
“So why do you want to work with us?”
“Because you corpo cunts are going to steal less of the value my labor produces and help me afford teeth.”
If you’re sending out 1500 a week you have no identifiable skill set beyond existing. 1500 jobs that are relevant to 1 individual aren’t being posted every week.
Well you need to send 1500 out because only 30 of the 1500 exist and you have no idea which that is.
I wasn’t even reading job descriptions last time. I just indiscriminately applied to everything and only read about the positions that replied back with a maybe. If they don’t allow the LinkedIn auto-apply, then I’m not filling out a form on their special unique website.
This is their problem, not mine.
I generally agree but what that said is 100 per week.
not much better but it’s a bit of a shame that a whole thread with much attention did not notice and just copied from the first comment
Yea I noticed that I misread a little while ago but left it. The comment is still accurate, 1500 a week is way too many.
Jesus.
Look, I already realized I was living life on easy mode, but this post drives it home more.
I’ve applied for a job exactly five times in my life. I’ve gotten five interviews. And I’ve gotten four offers, all of which I accepted. I’ve never been unemployed for even a day, nor had to settle for staying where I was working for lack of available positions/job-listings.
The one time I didn’t get an offer after an interview, the listing said they wanted “Python experience” (which I had quite a bit of), but in the interview they told me they were switching to C# (which I had never touched in my life). They passed me over ostensibly in favor of another applicant with C# experience. Kinda wasted both my and their time with that one. But it was very shortly thereafter that I landed another job. (As Java dev, which is gross, but I’ve got no right to complain in a thread about people getting interviews on less than 1% of their applications.)
I’ve had more job offers than applications submitted. Industrial automation.
There aren’t more than 100 companies that could employ me in my area, so whatever the screenshot is talking about is impossible for me anyway.Same experience, 100% hit rate. Also in the python -> C# boat but I went through with it. It’s been a breeze switching and taking on large responsibilities. C# is no Python and even more falls apart when upgrading between framework/dotnet versions in the enterprise environment but it’s all great “fun”
From my understanding depending on industry and geographic area “Arthur” is correct.
When I do counseling with younger people who have graduated school recently or whatever over the last 2 years or so this seems to be the situation for those that get 60-80k jobs. The search itself is an insane grind.
I graduated college in 2008 and it wasn’t even this bad then. It took hundreds of applications over 6-8 months but not thousands over 12-18 which is what I’m seeing now from people.
It’s that bit where as a counselor sometimes I get people who are like “it was hopeless so I just gave up” and I’m like “well, yeah, makes sense”. Like you can only grind so hard before the system breaks you
It’s not that they might be correct, it’s the fact that it got this bad in the first place, and that people accept it.
Arthur should be equally devastated, pissed, burned out, not dismissive and potentially praising some made up grind while succumbing to survivor bias.
He’s right but he shouldn’t be right.
I both envy and pity those that can and need to blast out applications like this. There aren’t 1500 open positions in my field in the country. As someone who struggles with doing nothing, application grinding would resolve a lot of anxiety.
There aren’t even 1500 open positions where I live, let alone in the same field. Most common is minimum wage care work, then random assortment of skilled/unskilled roles.
If I had to spray and pray 1500 resumes I’d be suicidal.
I’m about 300+ deep and let me tell you…
don’t get laid off!
Haha, not me. I’ve gone past that to casual despair.
My previous employer cut all the contracts leaving me to find a new role.
I was not in that role long enough to gain enough experience to find a similar role and it was a career change.
I estimate I put in over 750 applications and got maybe 7 interviews out of it.
My CV basically matched the job description for a few roles but was told no.
It’s rough out there, I had to take the first offer as my bank account was basically gone. I’m now earning less than I did 10 years ago and of course rent and prices have gone up. Going to be a rough few years.
Fuck dude, that is rough. Hang in there, keep looking for other opportunities. I hope things get better
yea well they deserve to be flooded with AI applications so just give them what they earned
Last time I applied for a job, I applied for 3 jobs, landed 2 interviews, got into the second round for both and took the one that matches the most with what I wanted and paid well.
Applying to 100+ jobs just sounds like spray and pray. This was admittedly 6 years ago and not in the US, but still if you already have experience it shouldn’t be that hard.
Also admittedly, for my first job I applied for 30+ positions, getting into the second round once. After that I took a break from applying because I wanted to study up on how to actually land a job. After reading about how to conduct yourself in a job interview, I applied again and landed the first job I applied to.
All that to say that there is a certain skill required for applying and interviewing. Probably a hugely unpopular opinion here, but I stand by it.
Once you have experience in a field you should have recruiters knocking down your door. At least thats my experience in a pretty niche industry.
Not too brag, but I walked out of uni with a nursing degree, went through one application and interview process, and have been in secure, full-time employment ever since.
COVID was a bit shit, but it turns out that was a temporary low point.
I never wrote an application. I was basically hunted down by employers, and only one job interview did not work out - because the employer die not turn up. I’m now in my 30th year in my current employment.
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Starting January this year, I put out aprox 400 applications: mostly online, around 30 in-person handing out resumes to anyone that’d still take one (they usually direct you to an online application if you visit in person). After 4 months, I’d had a grand total of 5 interviews. 4/5 said they had more interviews to do that day and would call me in a day or two, whether they chose to hire or not, just to follow up and let me know their decision. The 5th straight up said I’d be a fantastic fit for the team, he’s just got to confirm with another upper manager who’d be back tomorrow and they’d call me later tomorrow with a hire date and more details. None of the 5 contacted me again.
Called the last one back a couple times and got avoided for three days until the manager finally told me they’d gone with another candidate.
Finally in May I had a phone interview, then followed up with an in person interview and landed a job within walking distance of my home.
Job hunting sucks.
My first job application as a spotty teenager landed me a job. This developed a false impression of the job market for baby me (in my country it’s perfectly legal to pay minors less than the minimum wage, thus an incentive to exploit children).
My second job, in my spotty mid-twenties, took me around 100-300 applications, and I only ended up getting the job due to some programme that let companies get cheaper onboarding through a government scheme.
I’m in my spotty mid-thirties (I might have bad skin), I’ve had success only applying for the occasional job that actually interests me, and putting my best foot forward (each application generally takes 3-5 hours preparation). I’m fortunate enough to not be desperate though (employed, just seeking something better).
Even with LLMs, I think most employers are savvy enough to tell if a person is genuinely interested.
Side note: Don’t use em dashes. I love em dashes—but so does ChatGPT—it’s one of the first things a recruiter will look for apparently.
Half the jobs aren’t even real listings, they are just there so the company looks prosperous (by having job openings) and so they can have your data.
Correct answer and it’s probably way higher than 50% now days.
I got a job in construction with a single application and basically a firm handshake. Felt pretty damn good after all the doom & gloom. I think it really depends on the profession and shit like that.
