I feel global political oppression or global wars usually produce great music but Macklemore might be the peak.
Nothing against him, some of his songs are good, but I expected real rage inducing stuff with everything going on. Or is this just the state of music as a whole?
Keep in mind that music lost a lot of its cultural cache since your benchmark decade of the 90’s. Mass culture isn’t really the same as it was then. I remember Weird Al talking about doing a lot fewer parody songs just because fewer people recognize any given song.
Yeah there’s still music out there, but if you don’t know it that’s not really your fault.
This is my whole point. Is streaming and music apps killing the massive songs like “Luke’s Wall / War Pigs” , “Ohio”, or “My Generation”?
I saw a report talking about if there’s a “song of the summer” this year. A lot of people said there isn’t because more than ever we’re siloed to our own music library/playlists.
Personally, I spend a few hours a week actually looking for new artists to listen to. There’s so much music out there just waiting to be discovered.
I do the same thing and have discovered some great music. However, over the months or years I seem to return to classics to rage out or have a statement song. Go to a protest and you will hear " This is America" or “Sympathy for the Devil”.
I’m just wondering if this generation will have their song or is there to many bands? Can a band cut through it all and still make something like those songs?
Maybe I’m the old man screaming at the clouds.
It’s just the internet making all media available, and streaming is the lowest friction way of giving people that access.
Off topic, why would you put Limp Bizkit with the classics?
Maybe they did it all for the nookie
Come on
OP wasn’t asking about classics, was asking about protest music
OP could have used Rise Against instead of Limp Biskit
didn’t realize until just this moment that Rise Against ≠ Rage Against The Machine
They are one of the classics lol
Wes Borland is one of the most underrated guitar players easily
Woodstock 99’ explains it all. Play “break stuff” or “my way”, shit gets you going.
Limp Bizkit isn’t anywhere close to the others on the list, might as well listed Papa Roach.
I love that people hate on them and try to hold them down. They were a massive band. Look at their collaboration, everyone wanted to be on there. They were pure rage.
Just because they were big for a couple years doesn’t mean they produced anything of value. Angsty music for middle class white boys is nothing special.
You should really look up woodstock 99 and see the lineup. They headlined the whole show. Doing music with Emenim, Wu-Tang, and Korn, all 90s and 00s icons. Fred Durst help out staind and puddle of mudd. You might not like them but you can’t ignore what theu brought to music.
I was in highschool when they came on the scene. I’m well aware of Woodstock 99. Nothing you said counters my point. Looking back they didn’t belong in the same breath as the other bands you listed except puddle of mudd.
- 24 mil. With 10 mil highest sold over 4 cds
- 28 mil. With 14 mil highest sold over 4 cds
- 11 mil. With 6 mil highest sold over 4 cds
- 9 mil. With 6 mil highest sold over 5 cds.
- 27 mil. With 14 mil highest sold over 4 cds.
- 29 mil. With 13 mil highest sold over 4 cds.
Tell me which one of these bands had the most influence. Also what does race have to do with it?
nirvana, tupac, and rage against the machine all had something meaningful to be raging about
limp bizkit was just misogynistic bro music
I feel limp bizkit was the end off a period of rage. All the pent up anger that was put into just fuck shit up.
Side note. People really hate Limp Bizkit.
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It’s not even hate, I listened to their music, but I never thought they were great music. I read a lot of books mostly litrpg, I’ll never pretend they are great literature but it’s enjoyable, fast food books. Limp Bizkit is fast food music.
I wouldn’t say pure rage… They were certainly high energy but not super focused on being angry. This may in part be due to Fred Durst adding major frat boy vibes.
I have no idea what they’re like these days.
Funny since Durst was a tattoo artist before starting the band. Kinda the opposite of frat boys.
one of those is not like the others
Bob Vylan?
His music is good but I wouldn’t say the same level. Give him a few more years.
Speaking as someone who’s been into Nirvana and RatM since the early '90s, there’s more anger and protest in ‘We Live Here’ than in the entirety of Nirvana’s catalogue.
Sure, Nirvana were angry, but mostly in a depressed, teenage way, lashing out at an unfair world. They were angry on a personal level, mostly. Bob Vylan are angry on a social level, in the way RatM were. They’re demanding the world look at the inequality they see, rallying us to take it on board and do something about it.
If that isn’t protest, then I don’t know what it is you’re looking for.
Nirvana was depressed rage but it also tought a who generation about the evils of capitalism. It sparked a new style of music and it did it within a 4 year period. Nothing against Vylans but they became noteworthy due to a chant. I feel they can be a voice for this generation but they need a little bit more time and a global hit.
It’s a duo. Bobby Vylan and Bobbie Vylan.
Thought it was just named after the singer. My bad
The singer is Dylan
Alright but have you heard this one though?
My history on lemmy says 👏👏👏
I’m glad I’m not the only one advertising Jesse Welles on here. He’s probably my favourite musician right now and I feel like no one is talking about him. His lyrics align perfectly with the average lemming I feel like.
Also Ren is cool. I don’t like rap but I like him. He’s got great lyrics.
I love me some Ren but not the level as System of a down or crosby stills nash & young.
Thank you for introducing me to Ren. Been listening to his stuff all day, I haven’t been so emotional in a while
They don’t exist, at least not in Western mainstream music. Record labels have learned from those artists and will now drop anyone who doesn’t toe the capitalist/imperialist line. Like the singers being cancelled for supporting BLM or Palestine.
And it’s very specifically just for leftist messages. Kanye straight up calls himself a Nazi and sold shirts with swastikas on it and didn’t get canceled for antisemitism, but tons of pro-Palestine artists did. If an artist straight up calls themselves a socialist like Tupac did it would be career suicide.
As someone in Gen Z, I have never heard a mainstream song released in my lifetime that actually attacks capitalism beyond useless lip service or calls for any kind of anticapitalist action by the general public. They definitely exist but only by indie artists who will either never get signed onto a label or will be forced to capitulate to the capitalist propaganda machine if they do.
Childish Gambino? Yasiin Bey? Kendrick? Killer Mike? Hip hop alone has never stopped being critical of the machine… You must be living with your head under a rock or in headphones that only play top 40 or something. There is an absolute wealth of music that takes on the various hierarchies that dominate our world…
Kneecap
Expand your tastes, cousin. There’s a lot of anti-war and angry music getting made right now.
I’m talking more main stream. You couldn’t turn on a radio without hearing those guys.
Yes, you can point to any period and say “they made statements”.
Ren makes statements but has 2.4 mil followers on youtube. I’m talking a generation band /artist standing out in this period. Hearing Killing in the Name of playing daily, the music video was everywhere.
Your boy is good but you also pointed to a song from a decade ago which has 2.2 mil views.
My dude, no one listens to radio anymore, when you can have your own music with you on a device you carry around in your pocket all the time.
My dude, radio is just playlist and curated discover modes. A horse by a different name is still a horse.
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Residente as well
Bob Vylan.
Love those guys
Elder Millennial and gen x. Rage and nirvana are my jams.
I took my daughter to a concert some years ago, when she was in middle school, and before any bands went on, “Killing in the Name Of” started up. I told her “at the end of the intro when the song starts up, everyone in the audience over 30 will start bobbing their head” and sure enough, thousands of adult chaperones all at once just start grooving
Architechts, motionless in white, rise against
With the rapid rise in accessible media tuned to everyone’s personal preference there’s not really a single artist that is capturing attention across the board, but that doesn’t mean there’s not protest bangers from several artists:
- Dropkick Murphys
- Grandson
- Durry
- Otep
Seen Durry live, great fucking show. Grandson has some good stuff plus he made music with Tom Morello. Big plus.
I feel your statement is pretty accurate. With the wide spread access of music we are losing something. Just like shows, the common connection between each other. This is my main point.
Along with Grandson, I highly highly highly recommend KFlay. I love her. They’re friends and tour together
Well recession pop is back, check out the new Lady Gaga or Kesha albums. So there is that sort of dissonance and syncopated funkier rhythms in pop music which can usually be connected to economic and social downturn.
I know that shit is worlds away from what you’re referring to, I think you’re looking for something more aggressive.
I think the 2022 Every Time I Die record Renegade goes pretty fucking hard, I listen to Planet Shit about once a month and just rage.
Planet B by King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard goes pretty hard.
You can always check out whatever Napalm Death is doing, much of their stuff is political and social commentary, in fact I love ND lyrics.
No one has the " popular understanding of ‘transgender’ didn’t really exist for gen x but whatever it’s going to be, these songs are mostly about needing to transition but feeling unable to" that Kurt Cobain had, but Kurt did once say that early Nirvana was an attempt at copping Gang of Four, and Go4 is very political, critical and high energy. esp their first album “Entertainment!” and “Solid Gold”. After that they become kinda disco.
Also consider diving into the incredible wealth of protest music produced before the 60s. The 60s is kind of understood as a high water mark for protest music, but IMO a lot of Dylan and stuff was promoted more because he was actually less political than like Phil Ochs. Woody Guthrie, Victor Jara, The Almanac Singers, Odetta, etc., had much sharper politics than most well known artists who came after.
Finally, last but best, not new but largely undiscovered and forgotten, the Swedish RATM: the 1998 album The Shape of Punk to Come by the Refused. By far, one of my absolute favorite left wing records
My whole thing, that a lot of people are missing,this generation doesn’t have a lot of great music produced from the political time.
Maybe it is a rear mirror view type of thing. Billie Holiday did not shy away due to her believes.
If others don’t know, she was harassed by the federal government. Back then, it was easy for record companies to silence you compared to today
So I’m a socialist, in that I go to meetings voluntarily and get in trouble all the time. I spend a ton of time heavily invested in this political stuff. And one thing that is like desperately missing from our movements is any kind of culture. So that’s something that I’m also thinking about a lot, and I think a lot of people are. Not sure what to do really, still trying to figure that stuff out, but I’m actively trying to figure that out.
Run the Jewels def have some overtly political stuff, a few tracks with Zach de la Rocha even, although Killer Mike is a little disappointing politically, but many artists are. They have newer stuff but I just really like this song
Another group to check out is the Coup. Been making records since before the gangsta rap come up in the 90s even. Their newer stuff is pretty popular with young people too.
Both these songs are over a decade old, fuck me
Yes, that is my point. We aren’t getting this generations stop the killing or down with the president. Nixon, Reagon, and Bush all got called out by name.
Kendrick is goimg after a know groomer while a know rapist watches. We are having families riped apart by a secret police force while a netflix anime is topping the charts.
It blows my mind and confuses me. Especially when I hear younger generations complain about nothing being done, while their peers do nothing.
I guess I should be happy no one recommended country music.
nothing being done
Yeah that’s its own sort of doomer individualism. I wish I could tell you, as someone who teams up with others to do things that the view disappears in practical work, but tbh it seems like it only increases. Idk. There are def lots of young people joining the movement. Hasn’t reached a critical point but it’s growing.
I wish we had more artists since most are like political sickos
RATM listeners as a group didn’t do anything either.
I don’t think music actually compels people to action, conditions do.
Before those, in the 60’s there was CSNY, CCR, Bob Dylan, John Lennon, Buffalo Springfield writing protest bangers.
Can’t really think of much for this generation unfortunately. Instead we have, uh… Ye. :(
Ye definitly pulled for someone 🫳
I don’t know what that slang means.
They don’t have hitler symbols
I still don’t get it. Who doesn’t have hitler symbols? Why is that relevant?
Ye spoke for a generation while praising hitler and Trump. Not sure if you knew that.
Well that’s why I said “instead we have, uh…” and a frowny face. It was sarcasm, but I guess it didn’t come through.
