Greed as in people that abondon all morals for material and money.
If someone is both they will continue to live with only one of those.
Just curious what leftists target more.
This question is separating one and the other - both are bad - but I think religious extremism is powered by extreme greed causing extreme poverty and vulnerability.
So actually, maybe I do have the answer. Get rid of extreme greed, and religion does not go extreme.
Even the crackpots calling for genocide won’t get a voice.
Correct me if I’m wrong but even Hitler employed the tactic of blaming the Jews for the poverty (and other things) in Germany. But in reality it was the Great Depression. Germany was one of three nations that had the highest unemployment in the (western) world.
Yes, Nazism wasn’t a religion but a cult. But religions can involve a god, many gods, or idolise an object or a person. Hitler was it. He was like a war god.
Exactly what I was thinking. Selflessness = solution to everything.
Both religious extremism and greed are superstructural, not the base. Leftists target the base, as the superstructure is shaped by the base and in turn reinforces the base. Move onto socialism and communism, and the oppressive superstructural elements of today will also fade.
Tf, ideology is always base
Move onto socialism and communism
Is this base or superstructure or hypocrisy?
Sure, Artha influence all those “superstructure”, but ideology is always base.
Ideology is superstructure, not base. The ideology of capitalism, for example, is largely liberalism, which justifies it. Socialism and communism are modes of production, their ideologies are things like Marxism-Leninism.
Either I fail to understand you or You are word playing, your conclusion about questions like, capitalism being bad or good is your ideology. Without ideology as base, you don’t know how to use resources(including efforts, time) based on which values.
Taking into account that you are communist & common thing i heard about communist is they want to remove all classes. Criticism to that is there are natural classes, stupid & wise, brave & coward, old & young and natural instincts like greed, fear. These will naturally demand more share for their higher abilities. With time, there will be classes again.
Capitalism is a mode of production, so is socialism and communism. These are real, material things, and form the base structure of society. Ideology is how we interpret these things, we don’t decide them based on ideology. Ideology is a reinforcing aspect of the superstructure that justifies the mode of production, but it arises from material conditions.
In other words, the way we interact with production shapes our experiences, and thus the way we think and act, not the other way around.
As for class, you’re extending its meaning beyond its intent. It refers to relations to production and distribution, communism fully acknowledges the differences in people’s abilities, wants, and needs. A classless society is one in which all production has been sublimated into collectivized and planned production with equal ownership, ie one economy collectively run and planned.
Is one not the result of the other?
Some folks might be on some prosperity gospel bullshit, but I don’t think Elon, Zuck, et. al. believe in a power above themselces.
The other uses the one as their main tool for spreading propoganda no?
Greed 100%. Religious extremism only hurts a minority. The people trapped in the cults, the family members of the 50’s dad hitting them with the bible, victims of crusade/jihad style atrocities etc.
Which is awful but manageable.
Greed is definitely, definitely definitely going to end our entire species, probably only a couple generations away.
Greed.
Religuous extremism is already on its way down and unlikely to ever go up again.
Greed causes way, way more suffering in the world.
I would rather religion doesn’t exist any more, not just religious ‘extremism’, that sounds very subjective
Religious extremism specially Abrahamic ones because they(all) believe in gospel truth, Despite all the evidence. They also want to enforce laws based on gospel truth. While greedy can be reasonable.
Greed as in people that abondon all morals for material and money.
Its called materialism and is related to Philistinism
Schopenhauer defined philistine as
he is a human being without intellectual needs. Several things follow from this: first, in respect of himself, that he remains without intellectual pleasures, according to the already mentioned principle: ‘There are no true pleasures without true needs.’ No keen urge towards knowledge and insight for their own sake animate his existence, nor one towards actual aesthetic pleasures, which are definitely related to the first urge. Such pleasures as are imposed on him by fashion or authority, he will dispose of as quickly as possible as a kind of forced labour. Real pleasures for him are the sensuous ones alone; in them he finds compensation. Accordingly, oysters and champagne are the highpoint of his existence, and the purpose of his life is to acquire everything that contributes to bodily well-being. And he is lucky enough if this purpose keeps him busy! For if those goods are already conferred on him in advance, he will inevitably fall prey to boredom, against which all possible means are tried: ballet, theatre, society, card games, gambling, horses, women, drinking, travelling, and so on. But all of these are not sufficient to ward off boredom, when a lack of intellectual needs makes intellectual pleasures impossible. Hence a dull, dry seriousness, close to that of animals, is characteristic of the philistine. Nothing delights him, nothing excites him, nothing rouses his interest. For sensuous pleasures are soon exhausted; a society made up of philistines just like him soon becomes boring; card games finally become tiresome. At most, he is left to enjoy the pleasures of vanity in his own way, consisting in his exceeding others in regard to wealth, or rank, or influence and power, by whom he is then honoured, or in associating with people who excel in such things and thus basking in[366] the reflection of their splendour (a snoba). – From the fundamental qualities of a philistine we have described it follows secondly, in respect to others, that, since he has no intellectual, but only physical needs, he will seek out the person who is able to satisfy the latter, not the one who can satisfy the former. Hence among the demands he makes on others, the least will be that of predominant intellectual abilities; on the contrary, if he encounters these, they will arouse his dislike, even his hatred, because in reaction to them he has only an annoying feeling of inferiority and, in addition, one of dull, secret envy. This he carefully hides by trying to conceal it even from himself, which is why it sometimes grows into a secret rage. Therefore, it will never occur to him to measure his appreciation, or deep respect, in accordance with such qualities; this is exclusively reserved for rank and wealth, and power and influence, which in his eyes are the only true merits in which he wishes to excel. – But all this follows from the fact that he is a human being without intellectual needs.
