• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    8 months ago

    Dr King said it best 60+ years ago

    First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.” Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

    https://letterfromjail.com/

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      8 months ago

      Oooh, no. You see the same thing from conservatives and especially conspiracy theory people. It’s fundamental to their worldview.

      “They” somehow have complete and total control over their lives. “They” make them make bad decisions, eat poorly, drink and drive, make them vote for dickbags - you name it. It’s an emotional crutch used to negate accepting responsibility for actions, the need for critical thought and planning, or one’s own agency as a human to do anything to change their situation.

      Back around 2010 when my family would say “They” were going to take their guns away or put them in FEMA camps, I asked who “They” were. Did this for a few years and it eventually stopped being a Boogey man because it forces putting a name to the evil, which most folks like that can’t do.

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      8 months ago

      The typical leftist sitting on their ass and whining online while they wait for a Glorious Revolution to usher in a golden age. If you want things to be better, you do what you can with what you have.

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        8 months ago

        Bullshit. You take what you’re owed.

        “The typical liberal sitting on their ass and waiting for ‘the next election’ to usher in Bush-era America (AT BEST).”

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    8 months ago

    The “there is no perfect solution so therefore there is no solution good enough” crowd. Usually a republican mantra when it comes to any social program.

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      8 months ago

      Also when there needs to be a choice made and they rabidly choose the obviously bad one: “It’s a just a pick your poison thing, ya know?”

      If I were to pick between two poisons I would certainly not choose the one labeled “100% for sure death” that was surrounded by an aura of death and decay but they just can’t stop themselves slurping that shit down like it’s juice.

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    8 months ago

    Antivoters slowly dying, somehow voting never works except when gestures about

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    8 months ago

    Do not split and no cracks. You don’t have to agree with how they are fighting the system, but keep your thoughts private and instead, explain how your system is awesome.

    But what is happening in Hong Kong is they come up with a slogan, which is translated as Do Not Split, which is, we know that some people are willing to be confrontational with riot police.

    And when they are, that’s going to cost the state in terms of not only resources, but it’s going to cost the state in terms of political capital and support. And we know that there are some people who are not willing to do that. And we are going to abide by the protocol of Do Not Split, which means that we’re not going to criticize them openly, and they’re not going to criticize us openly.

    If we’re the pacifists, we’re not going to have them criticize us for being sort of like, I don’t know, limpid or flaccid or not courageous or whatever. And we’re not going to criticize them for being more confrontational. And the thing is that the support is also tacit.

    https://sh.itjust.works/post/42969194

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    8 months ago

    If I had a nickel for every time people on lemmy discredited voting 3rd party or progressive candidates under the excuse of “muh RCV” or “vote blue no matter who”, I’d have enough money to bribe the DNC into splitting into multiple parties.

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      8 months ago

      If you actually want to make things better then you have to use methods that have a chance of actually working. We have overwhelming historical evidence showing that voting third-party doesn’t.

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        8 months ago

        It can work, but the most important part in making it work is building the movement so that everyone votes for the third party in the same election. There’s no point in just voting third party and complaining that no one else is doing it.

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          8 months ago

          That would take a monumental amount of effort. Much more than it would take to un-fuck one of the existing parties.

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            8 months ago

            I don’t think it’s a question of amount of effort. Both undertakings would be monumental. It’s more so a question of what skillsets you have and what you’re more capable of doing.

            In Canada, we had a third party nearly come into power a while back until we lost the leader to cancer.

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              8 months ago

              In Canada, we had a third party nearly come into power catapult a far-right government into power for nearly a decade a while back until we lost the leader to cancer.

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            8 months ago

            Are you sure about that? We’ve been trying to unfuck the Democrats for decades, and look what it’s gotten us.

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        8 months ago

        No, Pakistan does not have RCV. Hell they don’t even have a qualified election system with the amount of falsified ballots, yet the third party still defeated that system.

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          8 months ago

          Except for Perot, Nader, Stein, etc, etc, etc. You’re right! If you ignore all the times it’s been tried, then it’s never been tried!

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            8 months ago

            You said that “voting third party doesn’t work”. The vast majority of voters do not vote for alternative parties or candidates, so no, it hasn’t been tried.

            Did you mean to say “Running third party doesn’t work”?

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      8 months ago

      It’s so insane. They’ll yell about the genocide all day but then vote for the candidates supporting the genocide.

      Who do they hate the most? Jill Stein, the candidate who opposes the genocide! Make it make sense.