U.S. President Donald Trump has ordered a suspension of all military aid to Ukraine, escalating pressure on President Volodymyr Zelensky mere days after a heated exchange in the Oval Office cast doubt on U.S. support for Kyiv.

A senior Defense Department official told Bloomberg that all U.S. military assistance to Ukraine is on hold until Trump determines that Ukrainian leaders are making a genuine effort toward peace.

The pause affects not only future aid but also weapons already in transit, including shipments on aircraft and ships, as well as equipment awaiting transfer in Poland.

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Edit: changed source from Bloomberg to Kyiv Independent b/c there’s no paywall and more detail in the story.

  • DominusOfMegadeus
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    2201 month ago

    The U.S. Military and the CIA must know what a threat to the country Trump is, right?

    …right?

    • @ricecake@sh.itjust.works
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      1071 month ago

      The military that he just dismissed the leadership of and replaced with his own people, and the CIA that’s directed by his people?

      • @Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world
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        161 month ago

        Here’s the pickle though. Wouldn’t it be reasonable if another administration get in power and then need to purge all these positions of pro trump people?

        Like what happens next? it’s such a bleak world now.

        • Spzi
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          101 month ago

          Wouldn’t it be reasonable if another administration get in power and then need to purge all these positions of pro trump people?

          Oh no! You have a great point for horror fans there.

          I’d even say, it probably is somewhat necessary in order to resume administration. What a beautiful, postfactual dilemma:

          The Reps fear an ideological, systemic witch hunt, which they use as an excuse to replace government workers. The new workers are ideologically aligned with the Reps, encouraged to assist the dismantling of non-Rep institutions and carry out the King’s will above and beyond the law.

          Now when votes swing the other way, the new administration kind of has to revert some of this damage to assume functioning.

          Which is where the circle closes; the prophecy fulfills itself. Now the Reps have evidence for their previously baseless claims. The whole system is locked in a back-and-forth mud wrestling of replacing workers based on ideology.

          • @Phytobus@lemm.ee
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            71 month ago

            That’s the problem with the two-party system in the USA, in a full democracy this dynamic wouldn’t happen. This is the achilles heel of american democracy and the downfall seems to have begun.

    • Riddick3001
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      481 month ago

      “Do you solemnly swear that you will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic ;that you will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that you take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that you will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which you are about to enter: So help you God?”

    • @WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works
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      111 month ago

      As far as I’m aware, the military, in the best case, will simply refuse to follow unlawful orders. There are formal processes to do so. That’s part of military culture and law. Whether that system will hold up to Trump is unknown. When he issues unlawful orders, will soldiers simply refuse to comply? Unknown.

      But one thing is for sure. It’s not part of military culture to actively resist. There is no formal process for that to be protected or OK. That’s simply insurrection and rebellion.

      • @Ledericas@lemm.ee
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        31 month ago

        Dictators fear military coups, that’s why people like Putin keeps them weak and fighting themselves

      • DominusOfMegadeus
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        11 month ago

        I don’t think it’s insurrection when our president is actively selling out our country to a hostile foreign power.

    • @in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      101 month ago

      If… Let’s say if… It’ll take some planning, they wouldn’t just do it willy nilly they gotta plan the hit, find the right assets, find the right areas, research, etc. it takes a lot of work to whack somebody it’s not like The Sopranos or anything.

  • @Gsus4@mander.xyz
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    Is there a historical precedent for punishing the defender for daring to successfully resist invasion by a third country?

    • themeatbridge
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      861 month ago

      Does it matter at all? Trump is compromised and is actively working for Putin. This is transparent and not being denied. Is there precedent for a puppet to do whatever he’s told by his master? Yes, lots.

      • @Gerudo@lemm.ee
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        141 month ago

        Let’s be very clear, it’s not just Trump, but the ENTIRE GOD DAMN administration that has been, and is, being put into place. Hegseth already told our intelligence teams to stop looking into Russia.

        If Trump was luigied tomorrow, an entire government is now in place to allow whatever they want to happen, to happen. It wouldn’t even matter if he was gone.

        • @jballs@sh.itjust.works
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          61 month ago

          I think a lot of the problems with the current administration wouldn’t change if Trump was Luigied. Dismantling our federal institutions, consolidating power in the executive branch, stripping away human rights - all those things would continue.

          However, I think that the support for Putin nearly exclusively comes from Trump himself.

    • @WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works
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      361 month ago

      Palestine. Maybe not successfully, but note that the idea that Palestinians have the same natural right to armed self defense as any other group is completely absent from mainstream political discourse. Most simply cannot even comprehend that the Palestinians should have just as much right to kill to defend themselves as Israelis do. Partly this is due to colonialism. Part of it is classism. The violence of the Israelis is clean and high tech. The violence of the Palestinians is crude and performed with simple weapons. We judge the morality of violence based upon the wealth of the people committing the violence.

      • @RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works
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        101 month ago

        No, you don’t get it. These Palestinian kids are brainwashed from birth to hate Israel and the Jewish peoples. They have school books that teach them to hate Israelis and Israel.

        /s but sadly not because the above is something I literally heard around me for years. I believed it until I met someone from Palestine who explained yes those books do exist and they are called history books.

    • @Cryophilia@lemmy.world
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      91 month ago

      Yeah that shit happens all the time throughout history, actually. Especially when colonized countries dared to fight back against colonizers.

    • @PetteriPano@lemmy.world
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      71 month ago

      Finland had to accept responsibility for being invaded by Russia. Also, they had to give away land mass that Russia failed to grab. Also, they had to give up some sovereignty. Also, they had to pay ginormous reparations and sign deals to buy army stuff from Russia.

      Nice army stuff, though. I’ve been in a 1995 KRAZ with a wood frame for the driver. Also they don’t have a tap for draining motor oil, because who would expect them yo return from the frontlines?

  • @GrymEdm@lemmy.world
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    1071 month ago

    The US wouldn’t stop military aid to Israel while the IDF destroyed hospitals and killed children and journalists among many other war crimes. They will freeze aid to Ukraine as it defends itself in a war of conquest. Evidence suggests the USA would rather align with criminals like Putin and Netanyahu than war victims.

    • Spzi
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      261 month ago

      That really is a stark contrast. What do the apologetics say about this?

  • @Maggoty@lemmy.world
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    791 month ago

    So the record currently stands at…

    Zelensky - Let’s try a deal, we just need security guarantees

    Trump - Why are you so Disrespectful?

    Zelensky - Let’s try a deal, we just need security guarantees

    Trump - Putin is a victim we’re undoing sanctions

    Zelensky - Let’s try a deal, we just need security guarantees

    Trump - Why won’t Zelensky do a deal?

    Zelensky - Let’s try a deal, we just need security guarantees

    Trump - We’re stopping Aid.

    • Wren
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      Yep. That pretty much summarizes it.

    • @alkbch@lemmy.ml
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      21 month ago

      The US won’t provide the security guarantees Zelenskyy is asking for. He can try getting them from European countries though, but they do not seem willing to provide them either.

      • @Maggoty@lemmy.world
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        21 month ago

        At least count I’m pretty sure the UK, Sweden, and Australia have all said they’d be willing to put troops into Ukraine for peacekeeping.

        • @alkbch@lemmy.ml
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          21 month ago

          UK has stated in no uncertain terms that they require US involvement in order to put troops into Ukraine for peacekeeping. I’m not sure about Sweden & Australia.

  • @DarkFuture@lemmy.world
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    611 month ago

    How much more do we have to witness before we accept, as a society, that Donald Trump and the GOP are enemies of the United States of America, and act accordingly?

    We are suffering and losing our position as a world leader because of a felon rapist traitor. When are we going to stop this?

    • @zarkanian@sh.itjust.works
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      221 month ago

      When are we going to stop this?

      When congress starts impeachment proceedings. Call your representatives. Listening you complain is their job.

    • ProdigalFrog
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      1. Joining and organizing within your local community to create connections with others is incredibly powerful, will lay the groundwork for effective resistance.
      2. We can effect things drastically with a general strike. This can massively impact their income streams, and can bring a government to its knees if done on a large enough scale.
      3. Join the IWW and attempt to unionize your workplace, so that the general strike is even more effective.

      If we put in the work, we can resist this and we can win. Join up with allies while we still can easily!

  • @Sati1984@lemmy.world
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    501 month ago

    Each time I read “Trump orders”, “Trump does X”, I always ask myself: “Wait, can he do that? Congress? House? Judiciary? Cheks? Balances? Hellooooooooooo…?”…

    … but this is still the first few months of his second term. At this pace, he will be a literal king in a few more months.

    A scary prospect to say the least, and I hope it’s not too late for America to do something about this. This should not be normalized. This cannot be normalized.

    • @prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works
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      141 month ago

      The average us citizen doesn’t have a solid grasps of how our government actually works.

      Defunding education and gutting curriculum and removing civics education has … been impactful.

    • @AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world
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      81 month ago

      Laws only have value as long as someone is willing to enforce them. It’s all a social construct.

      I’m not from the US and am far from being a legal expert, but your country appears to be close to being lawless (or is getting there at an accelerated pace).

      • @jacksilver@lemmy.world
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        21 month ago

        I mean it’s really not close to lawless, it’s just we’ve decided one man is king and can’t do anything illegal

    • Dr. Moose
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      51 month ago

      This just proves that american gloating over their “checks and balances” was bullshit all along. US will never live this down.

  • @peoplebeproblems@midwest.social
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    501 month ago

    Ok. Part 1 is done. Part 2 & 3 (order doesn’t matter) is that Trump ends sanctions and then stages a massive false flag attack that they then blame on Ukrainian Extremists upset over the ending of support to enact a full police state.

    Part 4: ???

    Part 5: profit

  • Lanske
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    451 month ago

    I have not a lot of knowledge how American politics work, but isn’t this for congress to decide? how is Trump so powerful? (sorry for my daft question)

    • @chiliedogg@lemmy.world
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      391 month ago

      It’s very illegal. He has already been impeached once for withdrawing military aid to Ukraine in his first term.

      And you see where that got us.

      • Lanske
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        111 month ago

        Yeah indeed, but now he has got the full backing and more Trump tronies?!

    • ALoafOfBread
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      It isn’t daft. The Republicans since Reagan have pushed a fringe legal theory called the Unitary Executive Theory. Basically, they want the president to fully control the executive branch and military such that theirs is the only voice that matters for much of the government. Not unlike a king, but partially checked by congress and the courts. They have been taking (illegal) actions to try to get sued, and also have been suing others/other branches of government, to try to get the Supreme Court to hear cases that will support this fringe legal theory so that it becomes the law of the land.

      I am not a lawyer, but this is possibly something Trump can legally do since he is Commander in Chief of the armed forces. However, this seems more like an apportionment thing, which is Congress’ responsibility. Congress has allocated funds to send military aid to Ukraine. So, even if Trump as Commander in Chief could say “no more weapons to ukraine”, it seems doubtful to me that he could (legally) stop weapons shipments currently en route.

      But, by the time whatever government office sues the office of the president to get a judge to enjoin them to send the agreed upon weapons that were already apportioned, it will already have hurt Ukraine somewhat. Trump often weaponizes inefficiency. And these sort of illegal acts aren’t crimes per se - they’re just procedural breaches - the legal remedy is just to reverse the action.

      So, probably not legal. But Trump gets to weaponize his administration’s incompetence (or feigned incompetence) to at least delay aid. More competent people may support these actions, knowing they’re illegal, to try and strengthen the president’s role even further.

      • Lanske
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        81 month ago

        Wow! Thanks so much for this reply! this is very helpful, thnx a lot

    • @Furbag@lemmy.world
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      261 month ago

      It is for Congress to decide such matters. It says so right in our constitution, but our Legislative branch has been ceding their ability to check Executive overreach for decades. Now, with a complicit Congress as the majority, they will never challenge Trump on anything he does, no matter how unconstitutional or illegal it might be. Same goes for the Judiciary as well, chock full of partisan hacks who bend and twist their interpretation of the language of the constitution to cherry pick a favorable ruling for anything that Trump does.

      Basically, our system of checks and balances that are meant to keep one aspect of the government from becoming too powerful has been completely subsumed by ideologues who prefer monarchy to democracy. The executive now essentially has unchecked authority and is in full control of the government apparatus.

    • @DarkFuture@lemmy.world
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      201 month ago

      how is Trump so powerful?

      The Republican party controls Congress and they have abdicated their responsibilities to our Constitution and, by extension, the American people in favor of an authoritarian because they have accepted him as their leader, thus giving away their own power.

      Our forefathers never expected Congress to give away its own power. Because it doesn’t really make any sense in the long term for them to do so.

      We are experiencing a coup. Most Americans are too uneducated to understand this.

    • deaf_fish
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      151 month ago

      We are entering a “yeah and who’s going to stop me era of US politics”

    • @Maggoty@lemmy.world
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      71 month ago

      The president was always able to stop aid under certain conditions. Trump is just going to certify that one of those conditions exist no matter how ridiculous it is.

    • ERROR: Earth.exe has crashed
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      61 month ago

      The only remedy for abuse of power is impeachment, and that requires 50% +1 of the House of Representatives and 2/3 of the Senate. No president was ever convicted of impeachment charges. Democracy was only upheld by “norms and traditions” and with trump’s disrespect for that, this is where we are… Checks and Balances only works against a corrupt individual, doesn’t work against an entire party working together to destroy democracy.

    • @werefreeatlast@lemmy.world
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      81 month ago

      And then finally we will build a memorial building in their honor? One where all their carcasses are placed in a viewing chamber protected by glass at the basement of the building where as the first floor and subsequent other floors are all subdivided in public toilets and urinals. You stop there waiting for a bus, but you need to go. So you get into urinal #275. You do your business, then you either flush or you pay $0.50. Then you go to the basemen if you paid. There you press in your urinal number to watch a beautiful yellow fountain splash on their graves. Putin will land there first. Then after every nazi will end up in there. All profit goes the LGBTQ+A community. Anyhoo, I’m not the first to propose this instead of a library. We could have an LGBTQ+A library on the 2nd floor?

  • @Treczoks@lemmy.world
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    401 month ago

    Just as his master told him.

    The US media still does not dare to call Trump a Russian agent, despite him showing all symptoms.

    There has been no single Russian attempt to destroy the US being as successful as putting their own agent into the White House, right into the Oval Office.

    • rigatti
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      141 month ago

      Kind of. Last time he was trying to get them to say they were investigating Hunter Biden, so somethithathat would more directly benefit himself. This time I guess he wants the US to have the rights to all their minerals, which I don’t even understand how that would work, but I guess that could be seen as benefitting the US if you’re a total psychopath.

    • Fair Fairy
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      -301 month ago

      See, there is a strategy - u just tunnelvisioned and stuck in a cold war

      • @Dorkyd68@lemmy.world
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        91 month ago

        I feel like the dumb from reddit is leaking into lemmy more and more. You’re a traitor to democracy if you think we shouldn’t fund and supply Ukraine

        • TheLowestStone
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          41 month ago

          If no one engages with the troll it with the troll it will get bored and leave.

        • @alkbch@lemmy.ml
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          01 month ago

          How is one a traitor to democracy for opposing unlimited funding and supplying of Ukraine?

        • Fair Fairy
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          -81 month ago

          US is broke, have u seen the debt numbers?
          It went into unontrollable territory.
          Payments for debt financing alone is as much as military spending. This is dumb.
          US has no choice but to radically change

          • keropoktasen
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            11 month ago

            These people cannot stand reason and logic, that’s why you’re getting downvoted.

  • @OmarDontScare@lemmy.world
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    271 month ago

    I kinda wonder what people in the 3 letter agencies are thinking right now. I would hope that enough of these agencies actually view Trump as a fundamental threat to democracy, because he actually is. People have warned for this to happen, for a while now, even though many are surprised at the speed at which it happens. But still, you would kind of hope for some of these agencies to actually stand for the constitution, instead of for the ruling party and his current president.

    The US is so much more than just the current political ruling class. It’s sad that there seems at least, to be so little visible opposition to their efforts to derail the US geopolitical power and to overthrow the system of law and order. One who the Republicans should hold deep, and definitely the people who pledge their allegiance to the constitution. I wonder if it would have gone different if someone like Saunders or Obama would have tried a similar play.

    • NιƙƙιDιɱҽʂ
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      101 month ago

      The three letter agencies haven’t ever really been known for their respect of the constitution 😅…

      • @Maggoty@lemmy.world
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        71 month ago

        Are we also derailing Chinese and Russian power, and magically disarming all the nukes? Or are we just shitting on America and hoping nobody realizes that means there’s going to be a power vacuum?

      • @Samskara@sh.itjust.works
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        21 month ago

        We will see. Pax Americana has been a hugely stabilizing force in many regions around the world. If an empire falls, fighting over the power vacuum commences. Empires get replaced by chaos and eventually other empires.