There absolutely is way. The dems are routinely ineffective and they lost a lot of votes from 2020 because of the whole “Harris backs Israel in a genocide” thing.
Just cause the greater evil won doesn’t mean the left needs to start peddling unfounded “stolen election” conspiracy theories. It’s completely reasonable that enough people realized they fucked up by voting for Republicans, Third Party, or abstaining and took this as an opportunity to refute the actions of the current administration.
What if there was statistical evidence of probable tampering?
Plus Trump, in his rambling, said something that heavily implies tampering with vote counting machines.
I’ve also seen evidence that the same systemic election interference, voter purges/disenfranchisement, gerrymandering, etc — the leading reason for GOP wins over the last 20 years, and were never legitimately addressed or removed — were more than enough to secure Trumps win of the EC.
I’ve seen plenty of evidence that disenfranchisement was off the charts, and it hit me personally.
In Michigan, I’ve been disabled and homebound for years and have never had issues voting by mail, but this time rather than my usual automatic mail-in ballot, I got an application for a vote-by-mail ballot after the deadline. I was still registered, but I had to go in person.
I’d have crawled through hot broken glass naked to vote, so I did it, but only because I live in a small enough town there wasn’t a queue. If I’d had to vote in the city, I could not physically have done it.
I’ll bet plenty of others like me simply could not.
What if there was statistical evidence of probable tampering?
All of the allegations listed on this site have fairly logical explanations when given context.
Republicans pushed against mail in ballots hard, so it makes sense that Harris would do better with mail ins and trump would do better with early voting. It also makes sense that trump voters mainly cared about the presidential election compared to Harris voters. It also makes sense that Harris underperformed as Democrats didn’t get to participate in a primary. Basically it makes sense for there to be abnormalities in an abnormal election, that doesn’t mean there’s “statistical evidence of probable tampering”.
Plus Trump, in his rambling, said something that [heavily implies tampering with vote counting machines
Right… But this means that we would be questioning trump’s honesty based on assuming that trump is being honest on this particular subject. He’s a troll who likes to stir the shit and make people assume he’s more competent than he really is, the same as musk.
It does not behoove progressives to question the reliability of elections without real evidence. Having people question the reliability of elections only serves conservative agenda of making it harder for people to vote.
Abnormal Clustering: In contrast to Election Day voting, Early Vote results display an unusual pattern: once approximately 250 ballots have been processed a visible shift is observed, resulting in a high degree of clustering and unusual uniformity. This is a departure from expected human voting behavior.
This is not logically explained by an “abnormal election”.
It’s also not really explaining much either. They don’t give examples of other elections to compare it too, and their own methodology is lackluster.
They are basically saying that after approx 250 votes trump started to pull ahead, which is to be expected as a lot of early Dem voters were mail ins.
To be honest it just seems like they are trying to purposely confuse normal phenomena with statistical diction, and alluding to claims without providing context.
Usually when making claims this grand you would also want evidence to match it. You’d also want to provide an example to compare it to previous elections utilizing the same methodology.
And the whole thing about Republicans constantly projecting, they screamed about vote tampering and then shut up real quick as soon as Trump won. And the obvious fact that Trump and Republicans in general constantly cheat, lie etc. IMO it was obvious even before the election that they would tamper, cheat and do everything illegal and unacceptable in their power to win.
I would like to see the similarities between voting machines in districts overlaid with the results.
Not to mention Musk’s DOGE people publishing their vote generation scrip on Git. You tell it the outcome you want, and it’ll make ballots to match.
So I get how this could sound compelling with that framing, but note that:
- This was part of a hack project by 4 students in 2020
- The tool they built in the hack was an ML computer vision system to validate ballots, in an effort to reduce mail-in ballot rejection rates
- As a part of testing this project, they needed a way to generate a large amount of ballots which the system could then validate
- Five years later, one of the authors of this hack works for DOGE
Like, take a look at the code - it’s trivial, in large part because it was made by college students in their early academic career. Creating something of similar caliber would be extremely trivial.
That this student hack project would have been used as a part of a greater scheme of election fraud seems highly unlikely.
It’s funny because student hacks are currently being given access to the entire Treasury payment system for the federal government and have leaked classified data about our spying capabilities.
Source? I would love to see if the geniuses signed the commits with their public keys as well.
Your first link gives a Page Not Found.
Seems to load for me. DNS issue maybe?
You honestly think the party of “Every accusation is a confession” who spent 4 years screaming about election fraud didn’t commit election fraud?
No way! Next you’ll tell me the only fraud that was found is from Republican electors!
You’re not going to believe this…
You actually think that Trump is smart enough to pull off something like that without fucking it up?
The same Trump that almost let it slip that they rigged PA?
The problem is the down ballot. I’m having trouble believing that a whole lot of people went out there and voted for Trump for president, and Democrats everywhere else.
I understand staying home. I understand voting Republican. But lots and lots of split ballots?
A decent number of trump voters only voted for Trump. They left the downballot blank because they don’t really care about anything but Trump
A disproportionate amount…
Only in swing states…
Just enough to not trigger an automatic recount…
It wasn’t by a large margin - the swing states were a lot closer than people think. Its just that the shift nationally was a pretty uniform making the results in the overall electoral college look less close than each state was. Each swing state was within 1-3%, so small differences to splitting or not filling out the ballot mattered way more here leading to split results
The swing states actually moved less to the right compared to 2020 than the rest of the country in 2024. Probably because of more campaigning in those states
EDIT: Also for an example with some specific numbers, let’s look at the Wisconsin
President race
Trump - 1,697,626
Harris - 1,668,229
Third Party - 30,015
Senate
Baldwin (D) - 1,672,777 [ 4,548 fewer votes than Harris ]
Hovde (R) - 1,643,996 [ 24,233 fewer votes than Trump ]
If we assume no split ticking, that would mean ~1.4% of Trump voters and ~0.2% of Harris voters in Wisconsin likely left the down ballot blank
Yeah, sure. But we saw a gigantic increase in split ballots.
Orders of magnitude more split ballots than any other election.
Have you met anyone that did that?
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There’s actually quite a lot of evidence.
https://electiontruthalliance.org/
https://smartelections.substack.com/p/so-clean
The tabulators switched after 500 votes and restricted dems to 45%, the data looks artificially smoothed to hide this. The same pattern is visible on elections going back to 2014.
They also found the remote access code for Dominion machines on a public repo with the private admin password in it, there’s evidence of breaches all around the country from people associated with Trump. They got caught red handed, told us they were doing it the full time.
And that’s before we get to the voter suppression, and 10-20% of the country being in a state of algorithmically induced psychosis.
A lot is made of the ‘drop-off’, which is easily explained by the fact that Trump is a unique phenomenon. People are shocked that some Trump voters might swing towards a democrat downballot, and I can’t imagine the mindset personally, but I acknowledge it exists. Remember, they aren’t Republican voters, they are Trump voters. Further, NC has a history of voting for democrat state offices and republican federal offices.
I think if they were going full tampering, you wouldn’t see the drop-off, because they’d rig the down-ballot as well.
As to the graphs look funny, well, I think I’ll need to see more analysis from more data by a broader set of analysts. I know that statistics will say anything if you torture the numbers enough, so I’m not going to get too invested in visualizations from one source.
Scrutinizing the vote is fine, but feel like this looks more like denial than an educated analysis.
For this case specifically, again, a ‘Trump’ voter is not a republican voter, the democrat party is way more energized to vote against a would-be Trump ally than before the election. Finally, I don’t know about this race, but it’s possible that those two in particular have something in the local population making the democrat more popular. For example in NC the republican governor candidate was way specifically a problem, so there’s a much easier explanation for why he lost by an anomalous amount.
While it might seem simple to attribute the drop-off phenomenon to personal preferences for Trump or against Harris, the SMART Elections analysis shows that this pattern is far more complex and inconsistent with such an explanation. For instance, if Harris were uniquely unpopular, you’d expect her drop-off to be uniformly large across all states, but it isn’t. In Michigan, her drop-off is negligible (0.87%), while in Montana, it’s a staggering -19%, even though Montana has little connection to the pro-Gaza movement that critics say might have influenced her support. Similarly, the Republican drop-off (votes for Trump but not for down-ballot candidates) is just as significant, sometimes exceeding the margins of victory in key swing states. Down-ballot candidates refer to those running for lower-profile positions, such as governors, state legislators, or other local offices, as opposed to high-profile ones like the president. This suggests the issue isn’t simply about liking Trump or disliking Harris but instead points to a mix of unusual voter behaviors or even potential systemic issues in how votes were cast or counted. The consistent pattern of drop-off across vastly different demographics and states demands more scrutiny, not simple assumptions.
The challenge with this example is that it suggests that they bothered to rig things against Harris in Montana of all places.
They were rigging it via voter suppression and fighting it in court so they must think it relevant enough to involve themselves in anyway
I feel like the exit polls would have revealed something if it was that drastic.
They did, the early versions of the first ones anyway. They’re adjusted afterwards and weighted to match the alleged vote counts as they come out.
Exit Polls were spot on for all down ballot races, but were wildly off base with Trump.
State Edison Exit Polls (EEP) (MoE 3%) vs. Reported Results. In Swing States. EEPs show Harris wins 4 beyond MoE, Trump 0. 3 within MoE. Returns Trump wins all 7. 6 of 7 beyond MoE. But DownBallot EEPs are right and falloff counts are hard to believe.
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/11/05/politics/how-exit-polls-work-election
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It IS really weird how all the tankie types love both to tell you that your votes don’t matter and Trump bragging about rigging the election shouldn’t be investigated, isn’t it?
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Horseshoe speaks to the concept of authoritarianism for people that have never heard of multiple political axes. Quite frankly two isn’t enough either, so horseshoe trying to bend just one to its false narrative is pretty obnoxious.
I’m alluding to the effects of an inherently unprovable Russian psyop campaign, like a cool person!
but it does also annoy the real tankies so there’s that
Trump bragging about rigging the election
If that’s actually what he was doing, that’d be something, and also quite uncharacteristic of Trump.
I just think the dems painted themselves in a corner by arguing there is no way someone could ever rig the general. The left was not built on the foundation of, “we trust the government.”
Even the continued reluctance to implement some sort of election security reform is misfounded. Sure, voter suppression is a thing and we can’t let our fear cause us to misstep but at the same time just because you haven’t found election fraud doesn’t mean it does not exist. The point of the fraud would be to go undetected. If they aren’t caught, well damn, looks like it’s working.
How would someone even go about investigating election fraud? You can’t petition every state. No one would trust a private entity to fund it. If you even suggest that the machines are rigged the manufacturer will sue the shit out of you.
It’s just another reason the DNC is a sunk cost. These absolute positions they hold are actually gaping vulnerabilities.
It wasn’t just Harris’s stance on Palestine that lost her the election. It was because they ran right on nearly every policy. Honestly I think abortion was the only topic they remained aligned with their base on. Mass deportations, went right. Wealth redistribution, token jesters. Universal health care, they laughed in sick and poor people’s faces. On and on, they told their base to go pound sand or have Trump as president. Whelp here we are.
they lost a lot of votes from 2020 because of the
whole “Harris backs Israel in agenocide” thing.FTFY. It wasn’t just the genocide. It was also this kind of denialism and apologism.
Just cause the greater evil won doesn’t mean
the leftliberals needs to start peddling unfounded “stolen election” conspiracy theories.Libs are right-wing.
Very important to keep in mind that even if evidence suggests the election was rigged that there are plenty of actors (Russia for example) that would want Trump in power to destabilize the states
Not pointing fingers and looking at this objectively is the best way for it to gain traction
Even if I consider election tampering a vague possibility, they’d never get away with it if that’s all it was. They likely aimed for a combination of factors, between misinformation, voter suppression, and/or vote tampering. Plus, people have said that public behaviors in many red states are that people are “pleased” with the result. This could be a vocal minority, but it’s hard to judge for sure.
I’m also not going to link to Greg Palast as “proof” of tampering - just that if we were under a responsible administration, there’s enough circumstantial oddities I’d want the election investigated for certainty (just as we did in 2020 even after Biden won).
They did do a variety of things.
- limited the dems to 45% on the tabulators after 500 votes
- suppressed enough votes that they would’ve lost if it weren’t for the massive voter purges and other legislation they shoved through
- algorithmically induced psychosis in 20% the population
If any one of these had failed they would’ve lost.
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There was a ton of irregularities reported btw. I forget the exact number but like 20-40 with enough evidence that they were bringing the cases forward. But when Trump came in he appointed someone to a role who dismissed them all.
I want to believe that, cause it confirms my biases, but you gotta source?
Took me a while but I found what I was thinking of.
It was the Fired FEC head
But it wasn’t because she was fired they didn’t go forward, it’s because the board is 3/3 dem/rep so a republican would need to ‘flip’
Asked by Alicia Menendez, “What is most alarming to you?” she replied, “Well, I can’t talk about anything that would be currently before the commission by law, complaints that are filed and any investigatory action remains confidential until the cases are closed.”
She then continued. “But I can tell you that in the past we have had 63 separate complaints filed against the president or his political committees –– and not all complaints are well-founded not all complaints are worth the agency’s time to pursue. But our nonpartisan professional staff has advocated that we pursue 31 of those cases and, in not a single one, did we get four votes to move forward.”
This is one of the things they talked about in the election interference hearings in December too
“Almost every matter that the FEC has not pursued is associated with the former president [Trump]” (Rep Torres, about 57minutes in)
Link to thread discussing: https://www.reddit.com/r/somethingiswrong2024/s/JUGCXE7Gab
Link to full hearing on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/live/mIDJ5whpSHQ
Certainly suspicious.
There’s a pretty strong theory that it wass rigged by the tabulator software. One of the guys in DOGE was hired because he literally wrote software that could do that exact thing - modify submitted ballots. His involvement was literally scrubbed from the Internet before people found out about it (they missed a few spots). The Election Truth Alliance did a report on Clark County, NV, showed that there was a heavy skew after around 60% of the ballots were processed that should started lumping everything towards Trump - essentially, the votes should be chaotic, and almost somewhat random, not clearly clustering at the 60% mark.
Other red flags, we had one of the largest years for voter registration, a majority for Democrats. The polling all showed that we were crushing it. His rallies were showing lower turnout, and everything pointed to his platform losing steam…and then he somehow wins every single swing state?
Yeeeaaaahhhhh…that doesn’t happen…you should be questioning the results.
is there any data on registered voter turnout in a handful of counties where it really mattered? Because that would tell you whether or not the discrepancy is due to democrats simply not voting, a well known problem within the democratic party.
Per Ballotopedia: "The average turnout in the seven presidential battleground states was 70% in 2024. This was below the 2020 average, which was 70.7%. "
One additional thing…Trump won every battleground, but somehow Democrats won pretty much every down ballot race in those states. I don’t believe for a second that someone voting Democrat down the board is going to vote Trump…a few voters will sure, but not enough to swing nearly every down ballot race…that’s absurd.
turnout compared to registration, not previous registration of the year before, compared to the previous year that turnout implies very high return rates, which are not quite what we see when looking at the data, the 2020 election had about 5 million more total turnout than the 2024 election. Likely due to the easier voting at the time of the 2020 election. Which is about a 3% change in turnout.
turnout in the battleground states being the same makes sense, i’m curious about the turnout between registered voters, and political alignment, because if i had to guess, a bunch of registered dems, didn’t vote. Which would align with the party demographics, of course the other options are, the US literally wanted trump, which was a global shift away from incumbency, you can see it in the data, or that more republicans were mobilized.
It’s not hard to account for the voter turnout, the problem is specifically why, did trump just run a more effective campaign mobilizing more people? Or did the harris campaign fail to mobilize people to actually vote, as has historically happened.
I don’t believe for a second that someone voting Democrat down the board is going to vote Trump
i mean, does this align with the incumbency though? Coming from the biden admin where he had pretty bad ratings, it’s possible a lot of the downballots were republican at the time, the us tends to flipflop like that, again, it’s historical precedent.
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He didn’t “handily win” he won by 1-2 points in the swing states.
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It tracks with an anti-incumbent sentiment, people are not happy with inflation so they voted against the incumbent, they’re still not happy and still voting against the incumbent.
And he only won because a few million people who voted in 2020 sat on their asses instead of voting this time.
Sounds like First-past-the-post voting doesn’t accurately represent the people with its inherent two party system. Are you working towards giving these people representation in your state by pushing for electoral reform?
That fight is dead, the current fight is “will we ever have federal elections again”
It seems like supporting a genocide depresses turnout. Democratic consultants, take note.
The only notes they pay any attention to are Federal Reserve Notes.
Democrat politicians have already decided “DEI” was the problem. Good luck getting those spineless cowards something resembling a moral framwork.
Uh, are you confusing Republicans, the ones currently in power, with Democrats or something?
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No, largely the “centrist” democrats that are doing this as a response to republicans embracing post truth death cultism. The progressive wing is mostly pushing back but I’ve seen at least two sniveling dems say some absolutely vile, trumpist shit.
He didn’t “handily win” he won by 1-2 points in the swing states.
he won the popualar vote despite all the EVERYTHING
That tracks with the reality that half of America really likes the guy.
America is the country that had almost 70% of Republicans polling that Nixon shouldn’t resign the day before congress decided to impeach.
He won. It is unfortunate, but not unsurprising or requiring a leap of faith, and it has all evidence supporting it, factually.
Now we need to take that reality and address it and the root causes–rather than fighting facts with preferred fantasy like the right wing has done at every opportunity.
It’s not half of America, it’s half of half of eligible voters, and even some of them were holding their nose to do it.
If the DNC was even remotely capable of caring about everyday people they could have easily won. They need to crawl out of the corporate pockets they’ve been living in and actually try to fix things if they don’t want to go the way of the Whigs.
Wrong. Polls of all adults, registration be damned, is nearly 1:1 with what we saw at the polls.
Here’s a yougov poll from like a week ago: https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econtoplines_c1AfT3R.pdf
There was no mandate. In 2024, every incumbent party in every liberal democracy worldwide lost ground because of inflation concerns.
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People on the left need to stop peddling this “Trump stole the election” stuff. It plays right into his rhetoric about our elections being rigged and allows him to cry again whenever his side loses. The comment in the screenshot looks like a fucking bot anyway.
Dems didn’t dump Biden early enough and the average American voter is dirt fucking stupid. Plus you’re telling me there’s some sort of massive conspiracy to alter votes in 7 different states with separate election systems and no one blabbed?
While I agree that every accusation is a confession until we see some hard proof that’s peer reviewed I’m skeptical. We shouldn’t be focusing on the past anyway, it doesn’t solve our current problems. We need to focus on the present and future.
People were unhappy with inflation and stuff and so they vote out the incumbent, it’s as simple as that. 100% the opposite party wins if things are going very badly.
I assumed this is why Musk is tweaking algorithms to show more positivity now that he is president
A local special election being won doesn’t mean a whole lot, either. Non-presidential elections and especially ones without Trump on the ballot inspire a very different voting group. This wasn’t a federal election, either.
So my wager is on some combination of the following:
- Really low turnout.
- Mentioned working class.
- Didn’t mention Trump.
People on the left
Libs are right-wing.
If he stole the election, and he did, then that needs to be drummed into the heads of the ones who actually voted for him. He doesn’t care about anyone but himself or anything except whatever he defines as winning.
Why would they care even the slightest bit? They’d be proud of it.
If he stole the election, and he did,
What convinced you of this?
Rampant election tampering. The closing down of polling centers in neighborhoods that don’t fit his profile. The restrictions on mail-in ballots. Armed gravy seals at polling places for intimidation purposes. Interference and propaganda from Russia. He also explicitly stated he did in his speech.
Where’s the evidence?
He also explicitly stated he did in his speech.
That’s the way some people are interpreting those words, yes. However, this is not everyone’s interpretation; otherwise, it would be covered by every news source in the nation.
I also don’t consider Trump a very good source for anything, and that includes information on Trump himself. He lies constantly, he rambles, he says stuff that doesn’t make any sense. He does not seem well. This was true in 2016 and is much more true today.
Trump’s been talking about how he won because of Elon “being good with computers”
Investigations were launched over less
Everone is getting real jumpy around Isreal. Isreal has a booming cyber security industry and is one of the biggest exporters of security exploits that they sell to corporations and nation states.
Part of why Trump wins is simply because there’s more brand recognition for him. He gets media written about him very easily and his photo gets splashed around BY BOTH SIDES!
In today’s politics there’s nothing worse than becoming “what’s his name” - “the other guy”.
In the age of the para-social relationship the big names get the votes, regardless of whether they’re liked or a reasonable choice.
Oddly enough the establishment left seem to think politics is a meritocracy. Which is idiotic and part and parcel with them being generally out of touch.
I feel strongly that the world has Mark Burnett (creator of The Apprentice) to thank for the presidencies of DJT being inflicted upon it.
Not nearly as much as the DNC.
Election denialism seems to just now be a feature of American politics
I’m sorry, but this is the most egregious example of “both sides do it” that I’ve ever seen.
The republicans made denying the election a central pillar of their platform, and the lies was repeated by virtually every leader in the party. And a violent mob stormed the capitol in an attempt to overturn the vote.
Show me a fragment of that being done by the left.
You’re under a post where someone is engaged in election denialism. You go to social media, even here, you can see it.
You know, both sides doing something doesn’t mean or even imply that it’s to equal degree. It’s just that both sides in the US seem to be doing it right now.
Of course it’d be both sides. They use projection to shield themselves. So if they were going to steal an election, they’d accuse the dems of doing it first.
This isn’t conscious but they think everyone thinks like them so if they’re trying to steal the election obviously the dems are too.
You know, both sides doing something doesn’t mean or even imply that it’s to equal degree. It’s just that both sides in the US seem to be doing it right now.
On this point, you are completely wrong. When you have one party making election denialism a core of their belief system while on the other side you have a few random people making claims on social media, it is absurd to claim that “both sides … seem to be doing it right now”. The very fact of you attempting to make the argument implies that there is equivalence between the two sides.
No, both sides have not made denialism central to their party platform. No, the Democrats did not have any cabinet nominees who refused to acknowledge the legitimacy of the last election. No, both sides did not storm the Capitol building in an attempt to prevent the certification of the election.
No, both sides are not doing it.
When you have one party making election denialism a core of their belief system while on the other side you have a few random people making claims on social media, it is absurd to claim that “both sides … seem to be doing it right now”.
But that’s both sides doing it. You just described people from both sides doing it…
No, both sides have not made denialism central to their party platform. No, the Democrats did not have any cabinet nominees who refused to acknowledge the legitimacy of the last election. No, both sides did not storm the Capitol building in an attempt to prevent the certification of the election.
Right, and I never claimed so.
No, both sides are not doing it.
I’m sorry but they are. What you have a problem is understanding the difference (not even nuance) of “both sides are doing it” and “both sides are doing it to the same degree/same level/whatever”. It’s two very different things.
It should be plainly obvious everything that Republicans complain about is sheer projection.
If they are complaining about rigged elections, do you think they themselves rigged the recent elections?
So do a lot of people a lot smarter than myself.
It’s not even like this is the first time. Everyone who’s able and interested should check out the HBO documentary Hacking Democracy about the 2004 election.
It was fascinating in 2008 watching a FOX anchor arguing with their in-house analysts when they called Ohio for Obama. He was arguing that the votes would start shifting to McCain just like they did for Bush in 2004. Sure enough, the same glitch happened, but the vote ratio didn’t change.
He started getting frantic after that, sure that the votes would start going for McCain any minute. It was super obvious he knew about what actually happened in 2004.
Interestingly, “Anonymous” claimed to have blocked the hack saving the election; which is both nonsense and probably technically true at the same time.
Interesting times ahead for the US when both of their major sided are losing (or lost) faith in elections.
The right got dozens of days in court to share whatever evidence they claimed to have that 2020 was stolen. They couldn’t provide a single shred of evidence for voter fraud that wasn’t in their favor. Now, with plenty of evidence, if the other side requests their day in court they are called crazy and conspiracy theorists and blue maga and blue anon and any other number of ad hominem attacks. What are they afraid of, if there was no hack let them prove it in court. But republicans don’t play fair and they never have, so why are Dems playing so easily into their hands? Are they that desperate to distance themselves from what they’ve seen as crazy election deniers? That means all the ad hominem worked.
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Verifying the vote isn’t denialism. The evidence is compelling and coherent. Too many whiners not enough debunkers!
Like said, interesting times coming up.
Natural result of decades of erosion to the fourth estate.
Thanks Ronald.
…but only when Republicans lose. When Democrats lose, it’s decorum all the way down. So basically, Republicans will never admit to losing fairly ever again, because election denialism isn’t punished.
I’ve seen a lot of election denialism after the most recent Republican wins. Not equal amounts to after Republican loss, not even close, but still a noticeable amount.
It’s not really denialism when there’s evidence. Verify the evidence.
It’s only denialism when it’s irrational and not based on coherent arguments. (Ie. Trump in 2020)
Folk on the internet will say a lot of stupid shit without evidence to back it up, that’s why “a lot of people are saying” should be a statement that carries a significant amount of skepticism and doubt. I don’t see much actual denialism coming from Democratic leadership.
The infuriating, part is that I expect the Dem leadership to at least be interested enough in knowing the truth to investigate and uncover facts that could lead to credible accusations of election interference. The yokels online are gonna be mad no matter what, but did the party really expect the guy who credibly cheated in the last two elections to not cheat again? ESPECIALLY since he was specifically not punished for it despite being found guilty? I hate that the smallest hint of truth-seeking efforts gets shot down as some kind of betrayal of party morals.
“I didn’t lose!!! It’s eh the others that are cheating…”
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Ah yes the anal beads saga
So far it has only proven to be a feature of donald trump, and there is no evidence to the contrary.
It’s definitely a lot more widespread than just Donald Trump.
Democrats are desperately willing to cling on to anything that will allow the party to continue on business as usual.
Perhaps this is because deep down in their hearts they understand that the DNC will not change no matter the circumstances, no matter the consequences. It’s not what their donors desire.
At least the republicans are completely idiotic, what is your excuse blue conservatives?
Videos on Electoral Reform
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems we can try out.
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Why aren’t we talking more about all the mail in ballots that were destroyed in mailbox arson attacks or by postal workers?
Yeah, something about this shift in focus feels like a psyop. We have clear evidence of targeted voter suppression, destruction of ballots, etc. In a two party system, fraudulently removing your opponent’s votes has exactly the same impact as creating fake votes for yourself. That’s already clear evidence of fraud, why are we redefining “evidence of fraud” as a new thing that we haven’t found yet?
Also dejoy running the postal service
all 300 of them?
Those people probably knew who they were, and probably voted after the fact.
He already admitted Musk rigged the voting machines
Link? I missed that.
Elon’s kid keeps saying stuff that sounds like it was rigged too. I don’t wanna be a conspiracy theorist but I am intrigued at how some of this lines up.
https://gizmodo.com/elon-musks-kid-keeps-saying-weird-stuff-about-trump-2000563118
The same day, it should be noted, that Musk did those two Nazi-style salutes right in public.
Nazi-style salute. Thanks giz.
So, now we’re interpreting the comments of a toddler? This is some deranged journalism. I’m sure it gets clicks, though.
No, I’m not putting weight into it, but if we wanna talk election conspiracy, go big 😂
I really hope a lot of people don’t buy into this nonsense. Many on the left are feeling powerless, and that’s fertile ground for conspiracy theories. If we see the rise of BlueAnon, I’ll have to crawl into a cave and sleep for the next 4 years.
It’s implied. I can’t find the video just yet.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-elon-musk-voting-machine-2017657
And again I want to thank Elon for what he did in Pennsylvania. He worked so hard. He worked so hard in Pennsylvania. A great guy and a man who is a champion, a man who took something from nothing. Nobody, everybody said, this is something will never work. It’s too violent. But he understood people. He said they like violence unfortunately, right? But a man who understood fighting better than any man ever. There’s never been anything like this. What Dana White did with the UFC and building it into a monster sports franchise.
That? Mmmmmm no, I don’t see it. It’s demented rambling, sure, but not seeing the yowza moment.
And you know, it’s only because they rigged the election that I’ll be your president representing you there.
But then they rigged the election and now we won. So I’m going to be your president for the Olympics and for the World Cup.
I think he means that during his 2016-2020 run, he told people running the bids for the Olympics and World Cup that he wouldn’t be president in 2026, because his second term was supposed to be 2020-2024. Then, since he claims the dems rigged the 2020 election, his second term is now.
I don’t think that’s the right bit. He said something like ‘and Elon knows those computers so well, those tabulators, and then we won PA’
At this point anyone who denies Elon stole the election is just as wilfully ignorant and naive as I was when I thought Trump didn’t collude with Russia. How much blatant evidence do you need before you admit that the cheating fascists are cheating fascists? (they never will because democrats are doing literally nothing to stop Elon illegally dismantling the government) (edited to fix an autocorrect)
I mean - just by money and messaging or is there some actual data from voting that shows irregularities?
Not definitive but irregular:
to be clear, there isn’t hard evidence that shows that trump colluded to win an election with the influence of russia, however it does show a LOT of overlap between the trump campaign, and russian influence in the election, all per the mueller report.
Let’s be frank: it was a special election where about a tenth of eligible voters turned out.
Trump ain’t gonna see an FDR level midterms victory, unless he manages to destroy the American democracy totally, but I wouldn’t look at this as evidence of some major shift by itself.
You know, after Mike Zimmer stopped being the defensive coordinator for the Cincinnati Bengals I lost track of what happened to him. Thought he went to the Cowboys or something. I guess we really could use some better defensive plays in the legislature though.
(I assume this must be a different Mike Zimmer)
He won “legitimately” by suppressing the votes he couldn’t get in swing states. I heard that if you’re black or in a metro area in a swing state that your vote was likely thrown out through some beurocratic bullshit.
Grain of salt: I did hear this on YouTube and I don’t remember the channel, it might have been humanist report or something like that. It definitely sounded legit, though.
They had four years to corrupt the election offices in specific areas and I 100% believe they could and would pursue that opportunity.
EDIT: another poster shared this, this is basically the same thing I heard. https://www.gregpalast.com/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won/
I heard that if you’re black or in a metro area in a swing state that your vote was likely thrown out through some beurocratic bullshit.
the only thing i’ve seen backed up is that a bunch of republicans were challenging registration status of mostly minority identities, pretty much all of which were fraudulent, so it’s possible that this did influence it, not very significantly im guessing, im also pretty sure as a voter, that if your registration was invalid, it would be very very obvious to you. Everything i know about voting registration informs me that you must do all of this BEFORE election day, im not sure if there are any processes that allow you to retroactively do this, im guessing there are a few, but probably for select circumstances, very unlikely to be those im guessing.
Realistically, they probably gerrymandered and ran aggressive campaigning, which appears to have worked.
your takeaway is a lot different from mine: here i’m thinking, how useless must this this katie whittington be… LOL 9+k votes (total) between them. 14 percent of the district voted in this special election. tell us again how its IMPOSSIBLE kamala lost her swing states in the general presidential election.
Noteworthy enough, Trump’s aggregate approval ratings is unfortunately quite high for the first month in office compared to before.
I mean he’s still the lowest ever, ignoring his last term. And it’s within MoE.
It’s also now dropped. 37pt swing for GenZ, +18 to -19
It almost makes you wonder where the fuck they were getting their information prior to the election
TikTok
It’s a psychological thing. People think he won decisively so they fall in line in a rallying effect even if they hate his guts.
Im wondering how they ate compliling that number now.
Most of them have the methodology listed on the page.
For example, FiveThirtyEight also list the polls used to aggregate and their weighted value as well as the full list of contributing researchers to the project all listen on the page.
Aggregate sites all also predicted the election outcome.
Yeah, it’s because “at least he’s doing something.” Plenty of uninformed chuds are making the assumption that any action is good action. They’re also the same folks that still insist project 2025 is a liberal hoax.
