cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/25133597

Come one come all to the Lemmy-verse! It’s nice and cozy here, we do have some “bad parts of town” but you can do an instance block and not deal with them lol

For your memes we have !memes@lemmy.world if you like sciency posts mander.xyz has some excellent communities (communities=subreddits) like !science@mander.xyz and !biology@mander.xyz and for a meme science combo theres always the fantastic !science_memes@mander.xyz

You can also drop a shit(post) off at !lemmyshitpost@lemmy.world or hang out at !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone (though you do have to post before you leave that one!)

There’s much more around as well!

Obligatory, fuck Spez

  • @Mothra@mander.xyz
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    No mention of dbzer0. com anywhere in the meme or text? To any newcomers, if you wouldn’t download a car then you don’t need to know about that instance.

    • @cm0002@lemmy.world
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      Lol I made the original meme and text, I kinda just brain dumped the instances from the top of my head, the hope was others would chime in with their fav instances/comms and add to the list

    • @Stovetop@lemmy.world
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      It must be the chunk of land they’re sitting on. Just can’t see it because the full text can’t be read in its entirety from that close up.

    • @technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      If someone’s identity is based on hating tankies, then they’re mostly likely right-wing (aka liberal).

      I don’t like tankies either but they’re just more right-wingers to me. Just the alt-imperial version of liberals. That’s why libs get so mad.

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            I mean you say that, but it’s not like every community on .ml is focused on politics man. Their largest communities are mostly about tech. And they have a pretty cool, albeit somewhat inactive datahoarders community, of whom I think some are helping with redundant archival of datasets being erased by Trump’s administration.

            Edit Addendum: For anyone who has the storage space, I would consider helping out with the effort.

      • @peregrin5@lemm.ee
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        If tankies are right wing, liberals are right wing, not to mention those who are actually right-wing outside of your head-canon, who is not right-wing?

  • @blind3rdeye@lemm.ee
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    From what I can tell, this tankie stuff is bullshit. In the years I’ve been here, I’ve seen close to zero ‘tankie’ content from any of these supposedly tankie instances. There’s like maybe one or two people on those instances who might fit the description if you search for them. Meanwhile, literally every day there are posts spitting on these supposed tankie instances. (And actually, it’s again a very small number of people complaining - but they put their crap into cute memes to get traction).

    I don’t like the idea of shouting slurs at entire instances. In my view, if you hate those instances so much - just block them. Problem solved. No need to spew hate all over lemmy.

  • Diva (she/her)
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    The tankie triad

    making a bunch of forums seem so dark and mysterious

    have you considered that some of us are just silly goofy girls

    catgirl-sorry

    • @cm0002@lemmy.world
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      I will never understand how you would defend an instance that is not only deep in genocide denial and praise of authoritarian regimes.

      But also one whose head admin (and main Lemmy dev unfortunately) is a transphobe

    • @AnarchoSnowPlow@midwest.social
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      It’s way more fun to pretend hexbear and .ml are super dark and scary than to admit what they mostly actually are: leftist memes and shit posting.

      Notice Beehaw’s not on the “good” list anymore? Wonder why they’re not on there…

      • @PugJesus@lemmy.world
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        It’s way more fun to pretend hexbear and .ml are super dark and scary than to admit what they mostly actually are: leftist memes and shit posting.

        “Ha ha, we’re just having a little bit of fun denying the Uyghur genocide, praising North Korea, and saying Ukrainians deserve to be massacred 😊”

        • @FuzzyDog@lemmy.world
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          And yet, on other Lemmy instances like world, people will fight to the bitter end defending Joe Biden’s policy of enabling Israel. And if you dare suggest Kamala Harris was also going to keep supporting Israel, you’ll be crucified lmao.

          I guess genocide is okay if it’s backed by a Western power (but only if a democrat is in charge).

          • @Stovetop@lemmy.world
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            Nah, fuck Biden’s and Harris’s handling of the situation. It was a disaster and needs to be called what it is.

            But I think what you are suggesting is a disingenuous interpretation of what most people were saying during the US election. No one was suggesting that Biden/Harris were good for Palestine. Only that Trump would be much, much worse. And I feel like the events of the past few weeks have validated that fear, however horrifying that is to type out.

            • @CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world
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              You’re not looking forward to a beachfront vacation, sleeping over the skeletons of dead little kids that we all helped pay to murder? What’s wrong with you?

          • @Microplasticbrain@lemm.ee
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            I personally have seen nobody defending Biden’s enabling of Israel, I have seen a bunch of people choosing the lesser of two evils and getting chastised over it as if there was a magical third option (abstaining just enables trump stfu)

      • partial_accumen
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        Notice Beehaw’s not on the “good” list anymore? Wonder why they’re not on there…

        As far as I understood at the time, Beehaw cut themselves off from just about everyone else in the fediverse. If they want to make that choice I respect their position but its sending the message they’re not interested in interacting with most others. If someone tells you to go away and they don’t want to talk to you, I’m not going to chase them and try and change their mind. I’m going to let them go do whatever they want to do and I’ll do my own thing with most everyone else.

      • @finitebanjo@lemmy.world
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        There is nothing left about promoting anarchy for your enemies and authoritarianism for your allies.

        Hexbear does nothing but sit around all day sucking Xi Jinpings cock and praising Trump, and ML is just that but slightly watered down.

    • @PugJesus@lemmy.world
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      have you considered that some of us are just silly goofy girls

      Who play apologist for genocide and fascism.

    • @PugJesus@lemmy.world
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      313 months ago

      This seems like an odd message considering that Lemmy, as software, is being praised here; and what is being criticized are instances wherein the admins enforce apologism for authoritarian regimes.

    • @morrowind@lemmy.ml
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      Lemmy.ml is the original instance and the dev instance. I joined it because there was literally no alternative at the time. It’s pretty annoying being called a tankie left and right because of this

        • @morrowind@lemmy.ml
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          Communist is not the same as tankie. Lemmy probably wouldn’t exist if the devs weren’t communist

          • @BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
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            I mean, they’re only not the same because “tankie” is so broadly defined that it also includes anarchists and non-western liberals.

              • OBJECTION!
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                The f-slur is defined as referring to gay men, but people also use it to insult straight men by suggesting that they’re gay. In the same way, “tankie” may be defined as a particular type of communist, but it is deployed against people who don’t fit the definition to imply that they do.

                This is how basically all insults work, don’t play dumb. The definition is something assumed to be bad, and the way it’s used is to suggest the person meets that definition.

                • @explodicle@sh.itjust.works
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                  “tankie” is so broadly defined that it also includes anarchists and non-western liberals.

                  I’m referring to what they said, not some other insult.

              • @BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
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                I have to ask, are shitlibs aware that Wikipedia isn’t divine gospel, and that there are other works in the history of humanity? Because it seems to inevitably be their one and only go to, which is particularly embarrassing given that even a middle school teacher could tell you that it’s not a good source. Even worse, it doesn’t’ even back up your claim!

            • @BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
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              No they don’t, reasonable criticism of the CPC is fine, they just ban jinogistic “China bad! Tinyman square! Winnie the pooh!” nonsense.

          • @finitebanjo@lemmy.world
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            If your definition of communism is China and your definition of Capitalism is Western Power, then you’re a fucking Tankie, as 98% of self identifying communists on Lemmy are.

      • @blind3rdeye@lemm.ee
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        Yeah, that’s pretty unfair. You shouldn’t have to put up with this; and it definitely is not your fault, or the fault of the instance. This “tankie instance” thing is bullshit.

          • @pH3ra@lemmy.ml
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            It’s not about past or future, it’s about contributing to the instance that tests new releases first and helping the people that provide an alternative to mainstream centralized media

      • @normonator@lemmy.ml
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        Same as a fellow code enthusiast, the dev instance seemed like a good choice. But no, do not pass go, straight to tankie jail apparently.

        • OBJECTION!
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          Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of the tankie triad?

    • JoYo
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      everyone keeps telling me my instance is full of tankies but im not seeing it. when i made my account this was the only instance.

      also, why the fuck would we want more redditors here?

      • @UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml
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        also, why the fuck would we want more redditors here

        Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame, With conquering limbs astride from land to land; Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

        “Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

      • @gift_of_gab@lemmy.world
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        I think there’s an instance on .ml that has everyone in a tizzy. I myself haven’t had any issue with .ml specifically. Lot of ‘mens rights’ bigots from .ee though, not sure why that is.

        • @jaybone@lemmy.world
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          “An instance on .ml” you mean a community? Or you mean another domain name using the .ml top level domain? If it’s the latter, you probably mean lemmygrad.ml. If it’s the former, there are already quite a few communities on there which have a lot of subscribers and often appear in the “all” feed. Normally those are fine. But every now and then you’ll see some tankie comment and like 99% of the time it’s some user from that instance.

          • @gift_of_gab@lemmy.world
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            To be honest, I don’t pay a lot of attention other than to notice the ‘.ml’ and the vast majority of the time, I don’t notice any specific tanki-ness to people from there.

            .ee on the other hand has been… (checks) yeah, all but one of my blocks in the last month.

        • @Gigasser@lemmy.world
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          Methinks there might be a culture war/defederation covert campaign being done by more right or even just regular liberal users.

          That or I’m being paranoid.

    • @moon@lemmy.ml
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      It’s pretty insane that choosing the default instance is seen as being indicative of your politics

    • @Warl0k3@lemmy.world
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      It’s a bit like OSRS for reddit - an attempt to revive the reddit we all have very rose-tinted memories of. Unfortunately we seem to have forgotten about the the rampant casual misogyny, tribalism, moderator political infighting, that the 2007 XP rates were actually abysmally implemented and desperately needed retooling (and that deeply awkward “ron paul” phase reddit went through…)

    • @zildjiandrummer1@lemmy.world
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      So far, it’s quite refreshing. However I miss some of the smaller niche hobby subreddits, as fediverse hasn’t gained enough momentum yet. There are “channels” (?) that have like 300 people, and a post every other month, which is too small right now.

      • Cowbee [he/they]
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        Comms are more like hashtags within an instance, generally, rather than a real community in itself.

  • John Doe
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    OMG. I just discovered Lemmy yesterday after being a Redditor for a decade. I deleted my Reddit account after the insane level of suppression I’ve endured over the past year and was all set to go cold turkey when I found out about Lemmy! Praise the sweet lil’ six pound, eight ounce baby Jesus!!

  • ☂️-
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    hey i just wanted to destroy capitalism 🥺 👉👈

    • @cm0002@lemmy.world
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      Yea who cares about those little human rights violations and genocides the CCP does along the way, just sweep those under the rug!

        • @gift_of_gab@lemmy.world
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          I’ve met people in reality who feel the same way as you, and I wanted to ask you something:

          Wonder if our media that is largely Republican controlled and owned by Western billionaires could maybe have some anti-CCP bias

          Why does that mean that China is good? Like I understand that specific things western media says could be wrong, but we have a hell of a lot of proof about what they’ve done. So what I don’t get is, sure media is owned by billionaires and corrupt, but why does that mean that the exact opposite is what’s true? Stalin/Nazi Germany and Hitler/Germany hated each other, constantly lied about each other, but that never meant that either of them were ‘good.’ So why does it apply here?

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            No state is good. It’s actually not good to make up lines on a map and violently control people according to it. The more violent (aka “powerful”) the state, the worse that it is. USA might be the worst.

    • @finitebanjo@lemmy.world
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      Tankies say that shit but they don’t mean it. They could easily support and promote socialism in Western Nations but they don’t, instead the promote people like Donald Trump and try to convince people to resort to violence to tear it all down.

      To them, real socialism is the enemy. “Communism” just means Eastern Power and “Capitalism” just means Western Power, it’s political tribalism at its core.

  • @dx1@lemmy.world
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    In the past week I caught a 7 day ban for “misinformation” (x3, then for reposting a link to the mod logs, “skirting the rules”, “repeated offenses” etc.) from /c/WorldNews for accusing Democrats of being complicit in the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. An actual fact - tens of billions of dollars in arms sent to an ongoing genocide/ethnic cleansing by Biden. No problems like that on lemmy.ml. That really says it all for me. Lemmy’s basically just a fediverse reddit, with the same mod structure - if mods abuse their power, and admins don’t keep them in check, it’s time to ditch the instance.

    By the way, Lemmy itself was created by Dessalines, the admin of lemmy.ml. Who I collaborated with briefly on building some of the UI that you’re using right now to read this. Very thorough guy.

    • @alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
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      I caught a 7 day ban in microblog memes for “whataboutism” after I pointed out that leftists were not responsible for the democrat’s loss, their actions would have been wildly unpopular whether we told them or not.

    • @UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml
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      .world needs a targeted marketing campaign, we just need to point to the very public mod log. The mods at .world do all the work for us lol.

    • @Dasus@lemmy.world
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      And if you ask people if they’re pro-Putin and pro-Russia and against Russian crimes against humanity, you’ll get banned faster than you can say “Синдром вахтёра”

      Goes for Lemmy.ml and some reason Midwest.social as well.

      Edit Case in point after writing this comment angry lil’ Ruskitos brigade me and use all their mod power and remove comments like this I’ve made. Very “incivil” to call out Russian disinfo. Kek

      • @dx1@lemmy.world
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        If you go on there concern trolling and trying to start shit, I bet you will get banned.

        But, fun fact, communists actually are not a fan of fascists.

        • @Dasus@lemmy.world
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          I didn’t.

          I simply pointed out that davel@lemmy.ml saying things like “reality has a well known Russian propaganda bias” would be extremely weird for an actual “red blooded, born&bred American”, which he claims to be.

          So he just as an American patriot learned to speak Russian and won’t answer the question of “are you pro-Russian” while actively pushing Russian propaganda?

          communists actually are not a fan of fascists

          Fun fact, both are totalitarian authoritarianist forms as OF now.

          We’ll check again about communism when we get to Star Trek levels of utopia, mkay?

          • @ping@lemm.ee
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            So he just as an American patriot

            Someone can be born & raised in America and yet not be patriotic to the American empire. We’re not uncommon.

            learned to speak Russian

            What are you even talking about? You don’t have to learn Russian to listen to Jeffery Sachs, John Mearsheimer, Noam Chomsky or Chris Hedges.

            communists actually are not a fan of fascists

            Fun fact, both are totalitarian authoritarianist forms as OF now.

            The communists fought the Spanish and Axis fascists, and horseshoe theory is garbage.

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              Oh yeah, Americans who spew Russian propaganda purposefully and constantly talk of “the West” and have issues with their grammar and English expressions are “born&bred” Americans?

              Hmm… I wonder, which is more common? A “born&bred red-blooded American who’s devoted to Putin and Russia” … ORa lying Russian? Hmm. Being a Finnish person, we have some history with Russia, and I can tell you for a fact that lying Russians are more commonplace than Americans who are fanatically devoted to Russia and say things like “reality has a well known Russian propaganda bias”.

              It’s genuinely hilarious how you don’t realise how fucking see-through you are. It’s like watching a toddler play kitchen and then make you eat their “food”. It’s hilariously cute, but in a very stupid way. So you play along while allowing them their silliness. I’m not debating you, I’m playing with you.

              “Russian propaganda doesn’t exist. But reality has a well known Russian propaganda bias. Although Russian propaganda doesn’t exist. And definitely not on the internet. And definitely not on Lemmy. I’m a born&bred American btw, trust me comrades. Don’t vote, by the way. Also, did you know that Ukraine is filled with Nazis and thus we should thank glorious Putin for his courageous leadership in his special military operation. Btw Russian propaganda doesn’t exist. And I’m American. Спаси Бог.”

        • @Dasus@lemmy.world
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          General sentiment doesn’t matter. It’s when you, for example, point out that davel@lemmy.ml is a Russian disinformation agent. He is literally Russian, he’s cleaned up his profiles now, but when I started looking into that account I found several alts on other instances with communication in Russian. Like there wasn’t even a hint of suspicion if he was Russian or not.

          But davel@lemmy.ml account adamantly insists that they are American “born and bred”, while still literally saying Putin is right to invade Ukraine, denying Uyghyr genocide, denying Russian war crimes, posted tons in the run up to the US presidential election about “don’t vote genocide joe” and all that “avoid voting no matter what” bullshit as an intentional push to instigate apathy in American voters to decrease voter turnout.

          Him, antioutsideaktion, it’s rather trivial to recognise them.

          And the simplest way is to ask them “are you pro-Russian”. Davel is afraid of answering it, despite clearly and vocally supporting Russian propaganda, even going so far as to literally say “reality has a well known Russian propaganda bias”. I mean, literally.

          And after saying that, he still won’t say he’s Russian. And pretends to be American? What a patriot, right?

          He’s a mod so he banned me from everywhere he could. Nowadays he doesn’t really even dare to participate on lemmy.world so I don’t engage him. :D

          “Look at me, look at me. I am the moderator now.”

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    Love everything about reddit but inexplicably wish to leave it?

    Hate the idea of an english speaking internet that doesn’t slavishly adhere to the party line of the US alphabet agencies?

    Do you think the parable of the nazi bar is bunch of hokum?

    Do you have shrieking anger towards people who refused to support genocide while having shrieking anger at (usually the same) people rejecting decades long debunked accusations of genocide made by the perpetrators of aforementioned genocide?

    Join the lemmyverse! We have racism! We have homophobia! We have trans misogyny! We have daily 5 minutes hate!

    And if anyone tells you different, have you considered they’re a paid shill by the notorious gay sex haver Putler??

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      Everyone knows those rules don’t apply when youre dunking on the instances with opinions outside of the US state department’s approved overton window.

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      Incivility is only when you call out liberal hypocrisy and .world, otherwise it’s sparkling marketplace of ideas.

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    “Tankie Triad?” Really? This is just McCarthyian LARPing, you don’t have to constantly saber-rattle towards the Marxist-friendly instances.

    • Hopefully .world will serve as a quarantine instance for all the cringe-ass former redditors who love strawmen and reductionism and lame as fuck sayings like “tankie triad” and “narwhal bacon”

    • Binette
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      In Canada, we have a conservative named Pierre Poilievre that makes nonsensical catch phrases like that every month or so. Kinda reminds me of that

    • @cm0002@lemmy.world
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      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie

      Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof. More specifically, the term has been applied to those who express support for one-party Marxist–Leninist socialist republics, whether contemporary or historical. It is commonly used by anti-authoritarian leftists, including anarchists, libertarian socialists, left communists, democratic socialists, and reformists to criticise Leninism, although the term has seen increasing use by liberal and right‐wing factions as well.

    • @MithranArkanere@lemmy.world
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      In my book, it isn’t “tankie” until they are the kind who claim all the authoritarian regimes that were never democratic to be “communist”.
      You can’t have communism without democracy, that’s the whole deal, it’s in the freaking name, community.

      Claiming to be “communist” when your regime is authoritarian is like claiming to make soup without liquids.
      You can replace water with other stuff like broth, or even beer and wine, to make soup. But you need a liquid to make soup. That’s soup’s whole deal. Without a liquid as the base, or if you take out all the liquid after doing it, whatever you are doing, whatever you call it, it ain’t soup.
      For example, portable soup may have “soup” in the name, but it isn’t soup. It’s dehydrated food. It may have been soup once, but it isn’t soup.

      • Cowbee [he/they]
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        The thing is, AES states are democratic. They usually don’t have competing liberal parties like Western countries, but instead a more comprehensive form based on electing delegates. For example, the USSR functioned like this:

        For further reading, Soviet Democracy by Pat Sloan.

        Further, the “point” of Communism isn’t Democracy to begin with. Communism is a prediction, not a perfect society created in a lab, of what will necessarily happen as humanity develops. Marx predicted humanity will move towards a fully publicly owned and planned economy with democratic control because industry gets larger and more complex over time. I think if you take away that Communism is based on analysis and not on some Utopia, you take away the reason why Communism makes sense to begin with.

  • Cyrus Draegur
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    I’m not gonna be equipped to make a nuanced and detailed take right now but in my experience hexbears are alright, fun to talk to, I can learn things from them, and at worst they’re spicy.

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      and at worst they’re spicy.

      Did not realize looking the other way on human rights abuses or denying genocides of China/Russia was just “a little spicy”

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie

      Tankie is a pejorative label generally applied to authoritarian communists, especially those who support acts of repression by such regimes, their allies, or deny the occurrence of the events thereof. More specifically, the term has been applied to those who express support for one-party Marxist–Leninist socialist republics, whether contemporary or historical. It is commonly used by anti-authoritarian leftists, including anarchists, libertarian socialists, left communists, democratic socialists, and reformists to criticise Leninism, although the term has seen increasing use by liberal and right‐wing factions as well.

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            If someone accused you of being an internal combustion engine and their only supporting evidence was posting a wikipedia article about internal combustion engines it would be equally as irrelevant as you pointing at someone, saying “You’re a tankie!” and then posting the wikipedia article about tankies.

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              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_China

              Censorship in the People’s Republic of China (PRC) is mandated by the country’s ruling party, the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). It is one of the strictest censorship regimes in the world. The government censors content for mainly political reasons, such as curtailing political opposition, and censoring events unfavorable to the CCP, such as the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests and massacre, pro-democracy movements in China, the persecution of Uyghurs in China, human rights in Tibet, Falun Gong, pro-democracy protests in Hong Kong, and aspects of the COVID-19 pandemic. Since Xi Jinping became the general secretary of the Chinese Communist Party (de facto paramount leader) in 2012, censorship has been “significantly stepped up”.