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Hmm he still uses he/him so it’s beyond me but maybe he’s just on another level of transatude that we haven’t unlocked yet

Who the fuck knows. His story arc still has some life in it.

ok ok maybe that’s not familiar enough as a prefix so it gets a reaction. we could find a familiar prefix to note that your gender is the same as what you were assigned at birth…

from now on the opposite of transgender is… homogender!

Trans-ex?

So It’s hard to get into the headspace where I could get offended by being called cis but I’ll try. Here is a metaphor that hopefully won’t be too offensive.

Imagine if vegetarians started identifying non-vegetarians en masse with the label “Omnivores”. The first critique would likely be, “But it’s normal for humans to be omnivores; It’s the neutral state!”. That’s how most people, including many allies, feel about being cis. It’s the neutral state to them and doesn’t/shouldn’t require a label.

Obviously context matters but I can see how inflection could make it sound like a slight if someone is already loaded with insecurities.

It’s just transphobia. If you don’t have cis (wo)men and trans (wo)men, then you just have (wo)men and trans (wo)men, which implies that trans (wo)men are not (wo)men.

The reasoning is simple: it’s just straight up transphobia. The term “cis” is just a neutral descriptor to pair with “trans” with no implication of being right or wrong. They’re mad at the existence of a term for the majority that doesn’t imply an insult to the minority.

As someone who used to think it was an offensive term, it’s likely ignorance and because it’s often used in a deragatory and dehumanizing way on the internet.

At first I didn’t know what cisgendered or cis meant, but I definitely saw it used to describe a group of people non-cis folks didn’t like very much. Of course I eventually learned, but still had a bit of a distaste due to the initial impression.

Also, I always saw “cishet” as a cheeky way of saying “cis shit” because it was also often used negatively in the places I originally came across the term. Once someone explained it in a comment section I finally understood it wasn’t hateful terminology but instead descriptive.

You can’t stop someone from being negative but at least knowing what the words are meant to mean can help identify a bad person rather than bad word.

I kinda hope he tries so I have an excuse to fight back. So many of these pundit fucks need a solid punch to the jaw

Imagine needing to other someone so badly that you have a tantrum because someone created a name for the “default” category. Peterson views trans people as so subhuman he doesn’t even want there to be a word for non-trans people.

Bitch this whole thing started because _your side _ couldn’t handle him using three letters

Bigoted reactionaries, like Elon and Jordan, want to make cis a slur so they can ban its usage and prevent inclusive vocabulary. They’re not actually offended by it.

Transphobes have been trying to turn it into one for a while, so they can play victim about it.

Culture war nonsense. Try not to spend much time at all if you can.

They’ll pick anything to get more airtime. I remember them going after Jill Biden for using the prefix Dr but not in the medical sense.

They don’t believe the words they’re saying and playing this fake intellectual debate to keep attacking the liberals.

Not really, but there are some particularly crazy/militant/extreme people in the left and trans community who use it like it is.

Often not on it’s own, usually in phrases like “cishet white male”. Usually implying that the simple existence of this particular combination of uncontrollable personal traits is inherently problematic. Sometimes outright stating it. Sometimes literally calling for genocide or eugenics, or saying that it is entirely impossible to be a cishet white male and also be a good person.

It’s the type of behavior that young men see that drives them into shit like Andrew Tate, Jordan Peterson, etc.

I’d imagine the people saying these things think it is fair or payback for the sexists, racists, bigots, etc that call for the same for their group. Payback for the reprehensible behavior they have had to endure. Hearing similar things directed at them may have driven them into the arms of extremist shit stirrers on their side.

Makes for a shitty, shitty cycle of reciprocal attack on people defined as “other”.

Personally, I don’t think the target makes a difference. It’s reprehensible behavior either way. Go find a healthier output for your hurt. There are times where being the bigger person or taking the high road is not effective, but that should never be the assumed default or a situation to look forward to.

All that said, anyone arguing that those extremists are somehow leaders in the wider community is more interested in fanning the flames than anything else.

You see, “cis” implies the existence of “trans” and some people just really don’t like the fact that they exist. Despite the it being fact.

Because it can be used as an exclusionary term to minimize cis voices. Stay with me, this isn’t going where you think.

When trans folks engage in community discussions, it’s very typical for cis people to insert themselves into the conversation so they can tell trans people who they are and aren’t, what they should and shouldn’t do. This actually happens with a lot of minority groups hoping to have serious discussions in public. Black folks hear about all lives matter or black-on-black violence, atheists here from religious proselytizers, etc.

So when trans folks - very rightly - let cis people know not to talk over them in their own communities, bigots believe -very wrongly- that their rights are being abused. Therefore the conclusion that “cis” is “discriminatory.” See also “anti-white racism” “Men’s Rights,” etc.

All of these grievance perspectives are based on real-world difficulties, but provided without context. There are certain specific situations where it may be disadvantageous to be male, white, and cis. But those specific circumstances are not a part of systemic bias. If you don’t care about context, and you don’t care about systemic bias (particularly because it tends to benefit you), it’s easy to view these isolated situations as a cause for victimhood.

Anything can be an insult in politics.

It wasn’t Botox tho, right?

Like the dude who’s all about “personal responsibility” couldn’t man up and make it thru benzo detox got put in a coma to avoid it in a eastern European hospital because no one else would risk it

Then they couldn’t bring him out of the coma and he got brain damage.

But did he really get Botox in the brain to intentionally cause the coma?

Like, that just sounds even more insane…

I actually have. Mind I don’t have a problem with the word in particular but I’ve read it used as a slur on the Internet and in real life.

It’s all about intention imo. Many people use it just to clearly communicate but some also use it with hatred.

Some people are just looking for something to be upset about.

Maybe it’s just factually inaccurate and he doesn’t want there to be anyone mistaking him as cissexual.

It’s impossible to use it as a slur, as cis people are not oppressed.

That explains how he’s also become an idiot.

I could make him cry.

Jordan Pattersons

I’m enjoying the thought that some random Patterson is out there summoned to this challenge, answering the call ready to beat the pants off you, with no reason other than “he challenged, I accepted”

Men crying is fine. Jordan Peterson is a troll.

crying is completely ok. Jordan is mocked for several reasons, one of them is advocacy for traditional gender roles. also he cries a lot not because he’s in touch with his emotions but because he broke his own brain with his benzo addiction and his self induced coma while telling everyone else to get their shit together.

JP’s tweet heavily implied he would react violently or argue with someone to their face if they say “cis” to him. The response implies JP would, in fact, do neither. JP would instead scurry off with maybe a mean glance and then whine for an hour from the safety of his podcast.

The response to JP is making fun of false bravado, toxicity, and whatever the word is for people that take everything as a personal insult - even a simple fact that JP is a cis man.

Granted, some people can deliver obvious facts in a tone that can draw blood. And some facts do cut into insecurities really deep.

But JP, based on his rhetoric should not be hurt or insulted by being cis. He is instead angry about people existing that are trans and threatening violence over a word.

So no, I don’t think this is mocking men having or showing real feelings. It’s mocking the talk-tough toxicity that gets pushed to cover genuine emotions.

It depends on why they’re crying. Bitching and moaning about people not being on board with bigotry is worthy of ridicule. Salty tears over an invented persecution complex deserves harsh mockery. Force them to choose between public shaming and the chance of redemption (for those not so far gone that they’re beyond the possibility).

That’s not the same as being genuinely in touch with your emotions and crying from traumatic events or other stressful situations. It’s a human response that doesn’t give a shit about genitalia or chromosomes or any other factors that I, as a layperson without specific education in such matters, may not be well-suited to articulate.

I’m an adult man, cisgender and my life experience includes things that many see as traditionally masculine pursuits. Won’t say I cry terribly often but just within the first half of this month, I have been brought to tears multiple times in public and private settings. A recent loss in the family has been tough on all of us and while I’m not going around and making a spectacle of myself, I know there are cousins and nieces and nephews who look up to me and I see it as one of my responsibilities to model healthy behaviors and speak openly about how I’m feeling. I love them all and want them to grow into well-adjusted adults who will recognize that this is not a weakness and are willing to ask for help if and when it is needed.

Probably more info than necessary there but it’s a topic that’s been on my mind a lot recently. By breezing past the matter of sincerity and cry-bullying, it seems to me that the poster above has missed the mark.