Statement by the Secret Service:
An incident occurred the evening of July 13 at a Trump rally in Pennsylvania. The Secret Service has implemented protective measures and the former President is safe. This is now an active Secret Service investigation and further information will be released when available.
Statement by the Trump campaign:
President Trump thanks law enforcement and first responders for their quick action during this heinous act. He is fine and is being checked out at a local medical facility.
Live Coverage: ABC CBS NBC FOX
Sources: shooter is dead, one attendee is dead, blood on bleachers, blood on t-shirts, medical helicopters on the scene
Well I think we can all be certain there won’t be any huge downwind effects from this 😐
Yup they’re going to try to rally around this. His stupid little fist thing he was doing while the secret service was around him is scary. It’s plays right into the fascist playbook and his narrative as a victim/brave knight enduring arrows for his common people. I’m sad to say this, but it probably would’ve been better for democracy if they had succeeded. I think he would be easier to handle as a martyr than this tough guy act he’s going to assume after this 😩
It may bring MAGA nuts a few steps closer to the violence they’re eager for an excuse to unleash. If they believe they’re under immediate attack they will feel entitled to attack back. That said, I’m not sure how much difference this will make in the end. Eventually they’ll get violent anyway because they’re fascists.
Then where was the gunfire during their attempted coup at the senate building?
I think the level of threat has been greatly exaggerated by those who stand to profit from the chaos and division.
114 officers reported injuries as a direct result of their attempted coup. 5 later died from injuries they had sustained.
And he’ll overplay his hand, freak everyone else out which drives voter turnout and he loses. Hopefully.
Maybe he’s going to be pro-gun control now.
That’s what happened with Reagan.
The MAGA crowd would have a dilemma.
Trump as president even if he wants to take my guns?
No they went, he’s never been pro gun he’s just been paid not not say what he actually means. He’s the president who on tape said no no I believe in taking the guns first and his base didn’t blink an eye.
Yeah he banned bump stocks after the Las Vegas shooting, but then the supreme court found in the text of the constitution the part where they say you can’t ban bump stocks and reversed it.
Ye olde musket bump stocks
He is already, but he learned not to speak his mind on that.
sounds like the best way to ensure a Trump rally is safe is to ensure every single person there is armed.
God dammit, they had to fucking miss
Part of me wishes they didn’t, part of me wonders who would use his martyrdom to do even worse.
That last part is the terrifying bit, honestly. Trump is an egomaniac with the attention span of a toddler. He’s an unguided projectile of spite and vanity.
Imagine someone competent filling his shoes with the unprecedented powers that were recently granted by the supreme court and the rabid MAGA fanbase behind them.
The potential for lasting damage goes (even further) off the scale. I shudder to think what that might actually look like.
Honestly, in the event Biden loses, the best hope the US has is Trump’s general incompetence.
This is the same line of reasoning that created the “Allies actually didn’t try very hard to assassinate Hitler, because they realized he was a really bad tactician” conspiracy theories. Basically, the reasoning is that while Hitler was charismatic and had a massive cult following, he wasn’t actually that good at making tactical decisions in war. So the allied powers didn’t really try very hard to assassinate him, because they feared an actual competent ruler who would potentially take his place.
Basically, “never interrupt your enemy when they’re making a mistake.”
I’m not onboard with that conspiracy, as there were certainly attempts on his life throughout his reign. But I do agree with the relevancy of that Sun Tzu quote.
By 1943 Hitler was making such poor decisions it would’ve actually benefited the Nazi war effort if he had been removed from power.
Imagine someone competent filling his shoes with the unprecedented powers that were recently granted by the supreme court and the rabid MAGA fanbase behind them.
During the early pandemic, I was 100% convinced he was going to declare a national state of emergency as a pretense for a kind of coup. It would have been easy to have disproportionate military occupation of population centers like NYC, enforcing curfews, enforcing distancing and masking, while generally fomenting unrest through non-military groups. Throw in some old-fashioned resource scarcity by restricting shipping in the name of quarantine and, baby, you have a stew going. Once people are incited to riot, martial law is easy to justify.
Instead, the Republican party doubled-down on the dumbest plan possible - literally betting on the stupidity of their base - to secure political power. The sheer greed, ego, and narcissism in the upper echelon of their leadership has them stepping on their own feet half the time, and I’m convinced we’re lucky for that.
It’s a good thing the Republican leadership is as incompetent as they are morally bankrupt, but that doesn’t mean they haven’t managed to stumble their way into pushing the US to the brink of a dictatorship. As the KGB used to say, a lot of them are “useful idiots” which can be orchestrated by careful external manipulation.
A head that size is a sniper’s wet dream.
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I’m a flaming liberal, but I’m honestly revolted that, as I write this, your comment has a bunch of upvotes and no downvotes.
This man wants to do things that will make me and many people i love dead or suffering. How do you not understand how we could feel this way?
How you could hate him? I understand. I have a nonbinary kid, and I’m against what he stands for. But advocating for political assassination is just wrong. We don’t punish people for crimes they haven’t yet committed, and we don’t support vigilantism.
We need to vote out fascist Republicans, not kill them.
You know Trump was already president once, right? It’s not like it’s a secret that he’s anti-LGBTQ people.
We Made A List Of All The Anti-LGBT Stuff Trump Has Done As President from 2018, it includes
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Saying it’s legal to fire workers for being transgender.
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Arguing that it’s legal to fire workers for being gay.
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Making transgender female prisoners live with male prisoners.
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Telling the Supreme Court that shopkeepers can turn away LGBT customers.
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Withdrawing protections for transgender students.
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Refusing to investigate anti-transgender discrimination complaints in public schools.
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Trying to kick transgender people out of the military.
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Issuing a religious liberty policy.
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Starting to rescind protections for transgender patients.
and their list goes on.
I’m not sure it’s possible to get a full picture of everything Trump did wrong, even if you narrow it down to specific topics like LGBT rights. A lot of these things aren’t crimes, but that’s only because he was the one writing the laws and policies.
I honestly understand all that, and believe it’s vitally important that he’s defeated. But assassinating political rivals is literally a characteristic of fascism.
It literally isnt: fascism is capitalism in crisis and assassinations have gone on for most of human history, before the development of capitalism in the first place
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Power doesn’t grow out of a ballot box you comfortable stain
Ah ok trolling. Nevermind. Move along.
Trolling?
This man wants to do things that will make me and many people i love dead or suffering.
I keep seeing this repeated. What stopped him his first term and where are the corpses of the dead he is responsible for? Legitimately, link me to shit.
Likewise, if his side really were going for an overthrow of the government with the invasion of the senate building, why were there not more instances of gun violence? The republicans are more likely to own guns right? If they really wanted to overthrow shit, why didn’t they come strapped? If they came strapped, why was the only police death from a thrown fire extinguisher causing a brain bleed that killed the victim later that night?
There’s shit that doesn’t add up all over the place, and it bothers me that no one discusses it because they seem afraid to touch anything that might challenge the narrative of Trump’s terribleness and Biden needing to be infallible to win. Trump is more than reprehensible enough without hyperbole.
2020 COVID deaths are on his and his sycophants shoulders.
Not his first term but Trump seems ready to let Israel really take its gloves off and probably let the war expand into Lebanon and maybe Iran. Biden hasn’t really done shit but at least Israel seems somewhat afraid he might pull funding enough not to expand the war too much, trump will probably just give them a blank cheque.
If they really wanted to overthrow shit, why didn’t they come strapped?
Multiple people had firearms at the 1/6 coup attempt, this is well documented. I’m not sure why they never shot anyone, but it wasn’t for lack of firearms.
Do you not realize how terrible it is that he missed? You of all people as a “flaming liberal” should be the most angry. This essentially secures trumps presidency, its the best thing that could have happened to his campaign.
He’s not even a liberal, he’s just fuckin comfortable.
First of all, that’s bullshit. As I said in another thread:
The electorate is viscerally polarized, and very few people are on the fence about who to vote for - maybe some undecided about whether they’ll vote at all. I can’t imagine there are many people who are going to switch from Biden to Trump because of this, or who will even go from undecided to Trump. It makes no sense.
Second, my political activism stops short of murder. Apparently that doesn’t go far enough for you. That doesn’t make me a troll.
Dont get me wrong, assassinations are stupid and rarely accomplish much of value. No single human is responsible for the state of our society, it is much more institutional than that. Only a dismantling of the current systems could actually inact change. HOWEVER, if trump was murdered I would gloat and I feel no shame in that.
Also them missing is gonna make MAGA people really annoying for a while
It’s almost like principles define existential enemies or something, two things you will never understand before you go extinct
Yeah you are definitely a lib alright.
You libs drone all the time in every media how the guy is an enemy of democracy, second coming of Hitler and needs to be stopped for any price. Yet you are “revolted” when someone taken it seriously.
Democracy needs to be saved through democratic processes, not a lawless assassination attempt, otherwise it would be disingenious to want to protect it and its values.
I didn’t even suggested you people should murder him*, just pointed how calling him enemy of democracy, second coming of Hitler and constantly droning about having to stop him is a call for stochastic terrorism, but you clearly understood it like this so the feedback checks out.
Also lmao fucking hell you call US president election mechanism “democratic”? And i won’t comment on US “democratic values”.
Wait
you aren’t even Usian lmao you absolute clown.*FYI Marxists-Leninists usually think political assassinations are futile adventurism, since it won’t change the conditions that created people like Trump. Which won’t mean we wouln’t be glad if some ghoul get offed.
Haven’t seen any prominent lib even use violent rhethoric in connection with pointing out Trump’s dangerous plans for his second term, so I was surprised you bring up stochastic terrorism. The fact that Democrats are running a horrible candidate against him just shows that they don’t take this seriously at all. Maybe that’s what you tried to say in your first message.
I agree that democratic processes have little to do with US politics these days, but are you suggesting you can promote democratic values with anything outside living them (not that US politician do that, but in principle).
And it shouldn’t matter where I’m from. The disaster that is the US empires fall is of global interest.
Haven’t seen any prominent lib even use violent rhethoric in connection with pointing out Trump’s dangerous plans for his second term, so I was surprised you bring up stochastic terrorism.
That’s precisely how stochastic terrorism works, the big wigs never straight up call for it to have their hands clean just in case, for that they have their tabloids, their agitators, their media heads, their internet trolls. And btw Biden did said they need to put Trump into the bullseye (though he most likely didn’t meant it literally, but on the other hand he promised to get rid of Nordstream back in the day and it happened).
I agree that democratic processes have little to do with US politics these days, but are you suggesting you can promote democratic values with anything outside living them (not that US politician do that, but in principle).
In principle i do but i don’t see liberal democracy as desirable version of it due to it being in service of the small minority of capitalists and their stooges exploiting workers, and as such the system works exactly according to its values. I just think those real values behind that system are abhorrent.
And it shouldn’t matter where I’m from. The disaster that is the US empires fall is of global interest.
What SUPAVILLAIN said. If you’re not part of the abovementioned minority or their stooge you should be dearly interested in end of the US empire.
And it shouldn’t matter where I’m from.
It does. All you and yours do is suckle off the teat of the slavemaster empire; you don’t get a seat at the table to discuss how the subjects-of-empire struggling against the nation that established itself off rampant violence and bloodshed should correct their course.
why
I’m a flaming liberal
tell us something we don’t know
Remember that Biden is immune thanks to the SCOTUS.
Not from the voters. This picture will get used to sway votes.
Gotta love it
Seems appropriate to drop this here:
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-reichstag-fire
On February 27, 1933, the German parliament (Reichstag) building burned down. The Nazi leadership and its coalition partners used the fire to claim that Communists were planning a violent uprising. They claimed that emergency legislation was needed to prevent this. The resulting act, commonly known as the Reichstag Fire Decree, abolished a number of constitutional protections and paved the way for Nazi dictatorship.
It’s not like the Japanese Prime Minister (and former Prime Ministers) don’t have security, but the disparity of security compared to US Secret Service protected individuals is huge.
The fact that the killer managed to get so close to Abe without being screened is indicative of the fact that such an attack was so unexpected in Japan.
I mean they guy grazed Trump, so it’s not like secret service prevented the shooting.
True, I’m just saying that if someone wants to assassinate a current or former American President, that would be a massively more difficult hit.
The Abe killer was unscreened (like everyone else in attendance), and managed to walk directly up to Abe from behind and fire shots from 7, then only 5 metres away.
Regardless, meme funny.
Man, this is gonna make things a lot more interesting in the US
I can’t take anything more interesting
I think you have a different meaning of the word interesting than I do. Then again I live in this shit hole.
“May you live in interesting times” generally isn’t said with good intentions; interesting can be bad.
We’re so fucked.
The final season of burgerland is wild.
I’m hoping for the best. For the United States, that is.
There are moments in history that completely change the course of events for decades to come. We just witnessed literal inches between two possibly extremely different futures. Very strange feeling.
As much as I loathe the guy, I think we all dodged a bullet.
If he died of natural causes last month I don’t think the MAGAts would have rallied behind Desantis, or whomever got the nomination. I’m not saying they wouldn’t have voted for them, just that the excitement wouldn’t be there.
If this has succeeded, the supporters would have transferred and been even more pumped up. And sympathy from those weird fuck undecideds could make the difference, not just in the presidency, but both chambers of Congress, and for their policy goals too.
Riding the wake of an assassination the draconian shit they would push through could have been far worse than anything Trump would have been able to accomplish in a second term.
Take civil rights legislation in the 60s; a lot of what LBJ accomplished was credited to the national feeling after the Kennedy assassination. Would JFK have been able to accomplish all that if he had served eight years with public sentiment toward civil rights being divided?
It sucks that this is boosting his chances in November. But a martyr, a new figurehead, and a more energized base could have been far worse.
Take civil rights legislation in the 60s; a lot of what LBJ accomplished was credited to the national feeling after the Kennedy assassination. Would JFK have been able to accomplish all that if he had served eight years with public sentiment toward civil rights being divided?
I think the same thing about the Apollo program. Kennedy gave that speech and then died, and now not only did we have to beat the Russians we had to do it for a beloved slain president.
There’s also an episode of Red Dwarf where they go back in time and convince Kennedy to be the second shooter on the grassy knoll, because his survival would have started WWIII.
Big W for the Trump campaign…
The speed at which he was turned into a hero and merchandise was made is a testament to the efficiency and responsiveness of capitalism.
Yep, the person who did this is an idiot. They don’t realize all they did was help his cause and give him that much stronger of a chance of winning presidency.
I mean, they probably don’t realize anything anymore given that they had bullets actually go through them.
Liberals still believe in Great Man Theory.
If he died, another would take his place and wins for sure as revenge.
Now that he lived, he has excellent PR.
Biden is constantly taking Ls with his voterbase, like pursuance of Genocide and general brain melting.
Trump is constantly on the rise with his voterbase.
This is why Adventurism doesn’t work, and why Leftists need to join an org like PSL and work towards building dual power.
Sure but his replacement wouldn’t be him, so at least some harm would have been avoided that way, but you’re right. It would have been much better if this never happened.
Yes and no. We have no crystal ball, ultimately the material conditions for fascism are still present in the US, and they will not go away even with 10 straight DNC victories. America is a dying Empire, so reactionary thinking, trying to turn the clock back, is on the rise.
Leftism must become the status quo to survive fascism.
There would be some harm reduction, yes, and I would have probably celebrated had Trump been popped, but his replacement would be just as bad, merely delayed.
If they wanted to help the democrats, they shot the wrong candidate
Literally true, Trump was handed the best PR on a silver platter, and even if he croaked his replacement has a sure win.
Not if he didn’t miss.Actually, I guess the democrats would lose either way. It would have only prevented Trump from winning (which many people would probably say is a good thing, but for many it would still not be enough of course), not ensuring the democrats win. So yeah, you’re right.
Alibaba has already gone crazy with it lmao it’s so funny
Are you kidding? The only things in this universe capable of superluminal speeds are a good rumor and merchandising opportunities
Also monarchy. You guillotine a king and the monarchy instantly jumps to the next one.
That’s probably why being a crown prince in medieval times was more hazardous than a bering strait crab fisherman running for president of the United States
Actually it was very very safe, if you compare it with peasants or burghers with occupational hazard being very low. Well, unless you were an Ottoman prince.
Ugh, the duopoly’s going to get so much more insufferable over this like they’re not both slavemasters worthy of being reviled.
I was freaking scared when I saw lots of people in my country was cheering Trump’s ralley. It’s not even the old people, they were in their 20s-30s. If Trump succeeds, I don’t see it going well in my country as well… How do I survive in a fascist country? Sad.
How do I survive in a fascist country? Sad.
With a gun, plenty of ammunition, and disciplined range time. Hell, join a gun club before the right starts pushing for tighter gun control.
Don’t worry,its’s not just the US. Many 3rd world countries are dealing with the same problem if not worse. Otherwise why would so many migrate to US despite it’s healthcare prices and the growing gap between the wealthy and poor?
I’m pretty sure he will succeed, unfortunately.
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The word “privatization” originates with describing the economic policy of Nazi Germany
libs: this man will be the next hitler
also libs: I stand with trump after this appalling act
Libs: Violence is never acceptable, even if Trump is an immediate threat to harm countless people.
Also libs: Let’s all thank the Secret Service for immediately killing the shooter.
also libs: I stand with trump after this appalling act
Hard disagree. From what I’m reading, politicians are condemning an attempt at homicide, nothing more. Voters are following suit.
I seriously do not understand the “My idealogical rival got shot at, I now endorse my idealogical rival.” take. Nobody that isn’t already voting for Trump LIKES Trump.
I now endorse my idealogical rival.
I’m confused. Who is endorsing Trump? Clearly you don’t mean wishing the man well or condemning this attempt on his life?
also libs: I stand with trump after this appalling act
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He is like a fucking hundred so yeah that makes sense
