If we didn’t already have the perfect option that is bitwarden I would probably go for this. But there’s really no reason to switch away from bitwarden to this. It’s open source, gets regularly publicly audited, and nothing ever leaves your device unencrypted. So even if they had their data center broken into and all machines stolen physically I wouldn’t have to worry about my passwords
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Does the creative commons licence at the end of every comment really do anything? Are you going to do anything about it if someone doesn’t respect the permissions you’ve laid out?
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I would appreciate it if you’d stop adding it.
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On mobile it is the most visible object on the screen, and very annoying:
You can just use SimpleLogin or addy.io for that. Both even have Bitwarden integration.
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Why would they shut it down? That wouldn’t make any sense whatsoever.
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To add onto what Andromxda said, SimpleLogin is included with your Proton account (might be paid accounts only).
Use it with a custom domain - it’s amazing and if Proton Mail ever shuts down you won’t have to migrate any of your logins because they’re already on your own domain.
SimpleLogin has a free tier, which is limited to 15 aliases. But if you have a paid Proton subscription, you can connect your SimpleLogin account and you get the premium version.
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I can’t wait for Proton to ship Drive for Linux just so we can get a different complaint as the top comment on every Proton thread
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The lack of caldav is really killing me
This is the only thing I want from Proton and they released another bitwarden alike.
Seriously… I would rather not have to pay for Filen on top of my Proton business sub.
There are still third party apps
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They don’t take money from investors but grow organically, which limits their resources quite a bit. With more users being on other platforms and Linux being a bit more complex when it comes to amount of possible filesystem and other combinations I see why it takes them a while. Iirc they also do e2e encryption of (meta-)data which does increase complexity.
Hopefully they’ll finish it at some point, as it’s been a long time since they announced Proton Drive. As I’m not paying for Proton, I understand a paying long-time subscriber might not share my acceptance of them zaking their time.
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I pay for the VPN and get everything else for free. It just depends on the pov
I’ll stick with KeePassXC but I’m still very happy to see them remembering about Linux. I hope Drive will be next, this is something I’m really waiting for.
I’m very skeptical about online cloud-based password managers. I don’t trust that at all. I still prefer to use a local off-line password manager like KeePassXC.
What is your threatmodel here?
The problem for me with completely self hosting it is that it’ll be relatively hard to get my backup, availability and sync requirements satisfied without a lot of effort.
Whereas I trust encryption in theory enough to hand my encrypted data to anyone. If the implementation is properly audited then I also trust that.
Most of my passwords are for accounts with 2fa anyway so even if both the storage leak and the encryption turn out to be subpar my threatmodel is still not violated.
If self-hosting makes you feel better about it, Vaultwarden exists for the Bitwarden client.
I’m using both. Mainly I use KeepassXC for most stuff (including my Proton account) because aside from the other security things it offers (like encrypting the database with a keyfile and challenge response), it also gives me a choice to add files into my password entry
I just use Proton Pass because of its easier access to email aliasing and occasionally sharing of sensitive data by sharing them a separate vault
Same here, I use both KeePassXC and Bitwarden. But I dont store heavily sensitive passwords on Bitwarden, like my email passwords, encryption retrieval keys, etc.
How is this better than the alternatives?
It‘s probably not but if you are in their ecosystem you might as well use it.
An alternative is to keep your eggs somewhat separated so that you don’t end up in a locked in situation if their services deteriorate over the years, giving you an easier escape in that scenario.
Yep! That’s what I do. I use just about everything else in Proton’s ecosystem, but I choose to use Bitwarden as my password manager. Just feels like better practice to not be wholly dependent on Proton for all my security.
I’m in their ecosystem but specifically don’t use it, as it seems extraordinarily unsafe to put my passwords behind the same authentication that I use just to check my email.
If you have a paid plan you can generate SimpleLogin aliases directly when generating a login on a webpage. It’s a very nice feature.
Bitwarden also integrates SimpleLogin for one-click alias generation.
I didn’t know that! Although I don’t pay for SL, I get it as part of my Proton sub.
Yes, me too. I was pointing out that SL can be used without Proton Pass.
One thing protonpass does better then the competition is exporting your passkeys that is generated within it. AFAIK, bitwarden supports creating and authenticating with passkeys, but you cannot export them.
Still no plans/pricing for Proton Pass Family (only the full proton suite).
Proton is missing many users with this simple lack of effort; not everyone wants drive, vpn, etc.
Some folks just want a password manager for the immediate and extended family; and often times we are willing to just pay a few bucks extra per month and not worry about helping these people after they get hacked, due to terrible passwords.
Electron?
As scientists, we know that transparency and peer review lead to better security.
What? App developers are scientists now?
I know this originally came from CERN, but I find it hard to believe those same folks are working on this now.
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While I don’t particularly agree with the sentiment, those in the field of Computer Science could be argued to be “scientists”, though often not in the classical sense. As a Computer Science major myself, I would never consider myself a “scientist” in the classical definition of the term. Those involved in actual research, yes, though that does not describe me despite the title of my Bachelor’s. I would consider those involved in the theoretical side of Computer Science to be more akin to mathematicians, as most of the theory is based in mathematical proofs and models (take for instance the field describing formal computational models as a means to defining how computers operate, and how effective specific algorithms are in that context). Though I could understand the argument that those involved heavily in the theoretical side of Computer Science may be considered scientists, given their similarity to theoretical physicists. In that sense, there is also active experimentation to test hypotheses about algorithmic runtime. It’s a fascinating niche of Computer Science that I studied briefly in university, but likely will not be pursuing in the future.
Generally those involved with active development of commercial software don’t fit into that category, though. It’s very much a question of semantics.
I’d never admit it irl or to anyone I know because it’s petty. But it bothers me when cs people refer to themselves as engineers.
Referring to themselves as scientists would seriously be a step past that.
It really depends on the individual case. There are many CS professions where the title “engineer” or “scientist” is incredibly accurate. I believe that is a minority of course, and further depends on how broad your definition of “cs people” is. There are specialties within the incredibly broad field of computer science that require education in classical engineering, as well as specialties that focus on research and experimentation with the scientific method.
The last big feature missing for me now is support for SSH keys with an SSH agent. This is such a great feature of 1Password and I use it daily. Can’t switch before that, even though Proton Pass is already included in my Proton subscription.
Why switch from 1Password? One less subscription? Suspicion about 1Password enshitification? Something else?
I think 1Password is great. The best password manager for me by a long shot.
Proton Pass is lacking features I need/want and the UX is still superior with 1Password for now, but should Proton Pass catch up, I’ll happily save some money, sure.
If it’s as bad as their VPN app for Linux hard pass.
Just use wireguard directly, no need for an app
I do use wireguard. Mostly because the proton app for linux is so bad.
Look into how they have you setup port forwarding on linux using the official app. They want you to open a terminal and keep a looped script running as long as you are using it.
Not only that but when I was testing it the script would start erroring out after about 5 min requiring a restart.
I know, I use port forwarding. I simply improved the script for my needs and put it in a systemd service. It’s been working well for some time now.
Also, most other providers don’t allow port forwarding at all. Proton is being nice here.
It’s a described feature of a paid service though, so it goes a bit beyond just being nice. More importantly for me, the app also leaks memory insanely, at least in the latest Debian build. I spun up a Windows vm with ProtonVPN because the Linux experience (which, again, I pay for) was too frustrating
Right you can use a custom script as a service to make it do what it’s supposed to do. but for an app that’s for an advertised feature of a paid service it’s a complete shit show.
Gives me hope for a proton drive app. As soon as that’s available and viable I’ll be able to drop my mega subscription.
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