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Can we stop acting like Israel is fucking normal? This shit doesn’t even happen in the US.
“This shit doesn’t even happen in the US”
Ok, Trump aside, do you remember the US response to the 9-11 attacks?
Israel is bang out of order, but it doesn’t help that the groundwork for dealing with “terrorists” on a global scale was laid by the US.
Remember renaming French fries to “Freedom Fries” because the French dared to oppose the invasion of Iraq, a country that had very little to do with the terrorist act?
I remember it very well. They did plenty of cringe stuff including burning Dixie Chicks CDs, sure.
But I don’t remember them having a chart-topping song about murdering women in other countries they were not at war with, let alone women who were citizens of nations that are their own allies.
Ok, maybe not that blunt, but it was there. The blueprint and the absurd patriotism that wandered into hostile.
France was a US ally too. And the rhetoric coming out wasn’t from some young men that make pop music but from grown men politicians.
US exceptionalism is one of the factors that has led us here, is what I’m saying.
Sure. The US appetite for supporting Israel is a major factor.
But renaming your chips is not as bad as publicly calls for assassinating people being at the top of your charts.
Israel are going full mask-off genocidal. There are “blueprints” in many other genocides.
Do you really think there weren’t people in the US, prominent people, people in politics and in the media, calling for the death of innocent Muslims?
There were tons of public calls for some of the most brutal forms of reprisal. There were mass burnings of the Koran.
Did you miss the bit where the US invaded an entire country that had, it turns out, nothing to do with the terrorist attack at all?
I’m not saying any of what is happening in Israel is right. Far from it. But the idea that the US is somehow in a position of moral superiority here is wild.
You seem to be adopting a revisionist past where actually all they did was rename some fries in the cafeteria of their actual government.
The absolute torrent of global hatred that spewed out through the mainstream US media dwarfed what we are currently seeing from Israel, in terms of both soft insinuation and outright calls for death.
But the idea that the US is somehow in a position of moral superiority here is wild.
It’s not an idea I’m espousing. I think perhaps we’re misunderstanding each other.
Dutch guy here. We had our own 9/11 event when Russians shot MH17 out of the air which contained 200 Dutch people. You know what we did? We prosecuted those responsible (in absentia) and they will be arrested once they enter Dutch soil. No kids were harmed in the process (apart from those on the plane). Israel’s response of collective punishment is bad shit crazy!
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We prosecuted those responsible (in absentia) and they will be arrested once they enter Dutch soil.
Sounds like you did absolutely nothing
First, do no harm? What benefit did the US enjoy from attacking Afghanistan?
Yeah you could argue that what Israel is doing is much smaller in terms of body count. Iraq and Afghanistan cost million lives+ and many more ruined. Israel is only at 30-40k so far.
But the quality bluntness of propaganda and cruelty of warfare is definitely different. The palestinian people have been imprisoned on a tiny strip of land and have nowhere to go.
I’ve been wondering why nobody has brought this clear comparison up before. The progressive left knows this will only antagonize the right wing. Since the objective is to save innocent civilian lives and get a ceasefire and not to score political points, they don’t draw the parallel.
And the liberals and right wing are excusing Israels behavior because subconsciously they know they did the same thing. So if Israel is guilty, so is the US.
The only one getting political points from the comparison is Russia to keep the atrocity by Israel going, damage the Reputation of the US and distract from their own war. Well or Israel possibly. Not accusing you at all, just musing from an “information warfare” perspective.
I think this is a fair point.
“Very little”?
I wish I could agree, but we’ve got some fucked up shit top the country music charts from time to time.
I don’t think any of the fucked up countries song of the last 5 years get close to this. People forget 9/11 was over 20 years ago, that’s an entire generation worth of change. Disney was racist in the past, doesn’t mean it’s an excuse for others to be racists now.
Jasn Aldean’s “Try That in a Small Town” was released in 2023 and that’s a commercial song. There are plenty of far worse example.
Hmm recall the catchy chorus but lyrics seem generically patriotic on the violent side?
wow OK. And Santis saying “when the média attaxks you, you’re doing something right”…
Or if it does, it usually gets shut down immediately.
That’s what I meant; sure there may have been songs with this stuff in them but they rarely become if ever have become hits. Usually it’s a career killer.
Totally normal and kool.
War on Terror
The US Attorney General John Ashcroft singing his wonderfully jingoistic 2002 masterpiece “Let the Eagle Soar”
Why is it so fucking hard for the U.S. to see Israel for what it is. I mean, as an agnostic I know exactly why, but I still have to ask my country why we can’t call out genocide when we can fucking see it?
It’s like sitting on the sidelines of the holocaust and just saying…well…we have interests in that region, so let’s hold on a minute.
We didn’t get involved in WW2 because of the Holocaust. There were plenty of newspaper articles about it all over the country well before Pearl Harbor, and nothing was done until we were attacked directly.
Because the US supports genocide.
Damn. You beat me. I’m gonna leave my post for critical support.
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It’s America’s lost cause fallacy overseas. Somehow there’s a chunk of the population that seems to overlook the reality of what’s happening and attribute it to Israel’s desire to exist when the reality is it wants to pursue its apartheid and genocide.
If there is one thing this whole affair is bringing up in the West is just how extremelly racist even the people who loudly proclaim themselves as “progressives” really are.
You see it when they pull out the anti-semite card to try and bat away criticism of Israel: even if Israel indeed represented all Jews (itself a racist assumption because it presumes “all Jews are the same and think the same”), the etnicity of the people mass murdering civilians because of their etnicity, having any weight on ones judgment of their actions is incredibly racist (of the “different weights for different races” kind).
Personally what I see is people who never stopped being prejudiced racists who judge people on their etnicity rather than their actual actions, only some etnic groups became less fashionable to overly be racist against whilst others did not - the architecture of racism is still well in place and in use, it’s just that for certain etnicities the prejudices changed.
How on earth did you come up with the idea that this is a progressive thing? It’s overwhelmingly conservatives and neoliberals using the “anti-Semitism” charge in defense of genocide.
The overwhelming absence of critique in liberal newspapers can be seen as evidence of self censorship due to “anti-semitism”. But corporatism / imperialism can also explain that. The charge of antisemitism is always hurdled at pro-palestinian (anti-genocide) protesters. Liberal media was also arguing “(a free Palestine) from the river to the sea” is a call to genocide.
Yes, liberal newspapers. Liberals are not progressives.
That sound a lot like the No True Scottsman Falacy.
Every single time I’ve seen politicians in the Anglo-Saxon world harping all about moral liberalism, they’re also the same politicians that are “relaxed about wealth” and don’t really talk much about how it’s wealth discrimination which inflicts the most pain and removes the opportunities for those who are the sons and daughters of those who before were pushed into poverty due to discrimination.
You can’t solve the problems from past discrimination that threw people into the pit by keeping the pit going, the ladders to it up and its walls tall and near unsurmountable - if you’re not talking about social mobility, the social safety net, worker rights and equal access to Justice, Education and Health independently of wealth when you’re talking about discrimination, then you’re just another Neolib trying to pass yourself as a leftie as there’s no progress in that since you’re just keeping the shackles on the descendents of the victims of discrimination (along with a whole lot of other people who just happen to have been born in the less wealty classes).
It’s not. In US politics, liberals will often try to paint themselves as progressives, but the policies they hold and the funding for their campaigns tell a very different story.
The banner carrier for the progressive movement in the US is clearly Bernie Sanders, and he doesn’t pull this shit. Neither does AOC, or the rest of the “squad”. Nobody in progressive media does either.
On the Republican side, it’s even more obvious. Republicans have been the driving force behind the anti-BDS movement. Biden might be splitting hairs in his mixed messaging on Israel, but not the Republicans. Republicans are solidly behind Israel in their genocide of Gaza.
Of all the possible political ideologies you could single out for this in America, “progressives” would be the least accurate.
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Anybody that goes on and on about how people in some groups defined by the genetics they were born with are victims or are aggressors, is using the very same framework of prejudiced treatment as the far right.
Fair treatment is to classify people as victims or aggressors by those people having actually been victims or having victimized others and then help the former and stop and punish the latter. Not only is it wholly irrelevant the etnicity of the people involved (unless the people who victimized others did so due to the etnicity of said others, in which case they should be punished extra hard, IMHO) but it’s also massivelly unfair to paint a wide brush over everybody else who happens to have been born with the same genetics as either because of the actions of just those.
There is no such thing as Positive Prejudice: if you’re judging people differently because of their etnicity, you’re being unfair, even if you are judging them more positivelly than you would otherwise.
Successive ultra-nationalist and ever more far-right governments of Israel weaponized the “positive” prejudice of many towards Jews, and this is why we find ourselves were we are now: because complete total murderous racist sociopaths hid being this whole etnic group and committed ever more hideous acts of violent racism whilst avoiding punishment for it by taking advantage of people who still run around thinking in the very same mental framework of discrimination as the Nazis had - with a different list of “good” etnicities and “bad” etnicities in their minds than said Nazis, but still judging and behaving towards others differently depending on their etnicity.
What does any of this have to do with misuse of “antisemitism”? Progressives are best defined by their opposition to wealth inequality, so how is any of this on them? If you think progressives in the US are too soft, that’s fine, but they are certainly better on wealth inequality than the conservatives and neoliberals.
Well, not being in the US, most exposure I’ve had to self-proclaimed “Progressives” is British neoliberals (mainly the New Labour types).
If “progressives” are indeed against wealth inequality (what in other countries is just called “being leftwing”), maybe it’s as somebody else said that it’s just that the people I’ve mainly run across claiming to be “progressives” were just liberals.
Because the United States is genocidal and proto-fascist too. Where do you think Israel learned it? And before you go “not us,” think about how Israeli’s don’t recognize their fascism.
Israel….what a shithole nightmare
Israel…is real? We should turn that into a meme after that piece of land gets erased by a meteor like in a Bible /s
I think the only question is if you’re real
Is this a case of “if you call us genocidal, we’ll kill you too”?
Sounds a lot like terrorism.
Sounds genocidal
“in a song which has shot to the top of charts in Israel.”
Tell me again about how the government and Hamas are the bad guys, and the Israeli people only want peace.
They’re not listening to Matisyahu - One Day anymore that’s for sure…
“They made us out to be a bunch of Jewish fascists who want to kill Arabs,” he said in an interview with Ynet. “We’re representing the country, and this song raises morale
Just once I’d like journalists to point out nonsense non-sequitur. Fascism is exactly a belief in superiority of one’s national or racial identity and the inferiority of others. Then they immediately position themselves as victims again.
They all are. They all suck. It’s the paradox.
Friendly reminder to all that one of the core principles in being Jewish is a belief that you are the chosen children of G-d. Many take that for the bullshit that it is but rest assured there are more Jews than you would care to admit that believe it.
Source - my ex is Jewish and I have 3 kids that are the chosen children of G-d and I am not. Should we all die I don’t get to be buried in a Jewish cemetery with them. That’s how stupid it is.
The fact that you either post this repeatedly or are reposting something i have seen multiple times makes me nervous about what your true intent is.
Yea I’m “anti-Israel” by many metrics but this is just a misleading and seemingly propagandic take… Judaism comes in many different forms and can range from extremist, highly conservative-orthodox beliefs which believes itself to be the superior race and all the others go to some burning hell (as seems to be described in this post which represents a minority of jews in the US at least), to any of the apolitical beliefs that lack any sort of hell-equivalent or even afterlife at all in some cases, where the entire point of the religion basically boils down to “be a good person to everyone around you”. Judaism is an extremely diverse religion, hell you could even make an argument about Christianity and Islam just being highly derived forms of extremist Judaism (since Christianity originated as an offshoot of fringe jewish beliefs and Islam developed most of its unoriginal beliefs from Judaism and Christianity). Very few Jews actually have extremist/Christian-like beliefs about their religion (I don’t know about in Israel though, they very well could)
Oh look, a bot.
With fascism it’s always some “essential” identity which makes you special and it’s a mythological one, but it also requires a belief in the moral correctness of inequality. I think most modern Jews outside Israel would not believe this. They might be proud of their identity but not cross that threshold.
The actual fascism must be fostered when the conditions are right. Material conditions need to deteriorate, some persistent real or imaginary fear being pushed and then enough mainstream media (incl. social media) has to push it.
I think most westerners completely missed how bad it is in Israel. Part of it is probably because they have their own language so their messaging only gets translated in “friendly” terms.
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Still not enough to get them banned from Eurovision, right?
This is some incel vibe from Israel.
We need to kill them, for asking us to stop killing
Nazis rappers are so stupid but every country seems to have at least a few.
Well they only seem to top the charts in Israel
To be fair: We had a nazi rapper in the Charts in Germany a few years ago.
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Stupid & negative don’t even compare to direct call to murder for political reasons
It is a nation of racist supremacists. Don’t take my word for it.
Really good video. Going into my saved posts to show other people. Who is the speaker? Sounds like he was a reporter or something since he asked the former prime minister a question?
But why those 3?? The article doesn’t seem to address it
The song calls for the IDF to “rain a storm” and “strike” a list of individuals including the women who have all previously supported the Palestinian cause or called for a ceasefire.
Oopsie my eyes betrayed me. Thanks mate
For condemning Israel’s violence. Also, Bella Hadid is Palestinian
Wait isn’t this song from months ago? But this is the first time I’m seeing it pointed out that it calls for killing these three women
nazi rappers… what no one thought the 21st century would bring us
Nazi
punksrappers fuck off.
Stilla? Is that short for Stilla yo land?
