• Liwott
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    62 years ago

    I’m not American, so I wouldn’t know; I just explained why I, a European, care about it.
    This would also explain why the media here talked way more about Lybia and Syria than they do about anything happening in south America, although there are less whites there.

    I can still see other explanations that imo seem more plausible.

    Close to the EU also means close to the western civilisation. This also explains why here we heard so much about George Floyd and BLM. Or do you think that it is because afro-americans are somehow whiter than africans?

    Finally, let us recall that the Ukraine conflict is also a proxy war between NATO and Russia, another military superpower. World order is at stakes there. Or do you think American media actually care about the Ukrainian people?

    • @gun@lemmy.ml
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      It’s reasonable that people would care about issues that economically affect them. However, the initial reaction is unlike anything we’ve ever seen. This was before the economic shockwaves had time to percolate.

      Ostensibly, much of it has to do with people’s moral concerns. People claim to care about Ukraine, not because it directly affects them, but because of the humanitarian aspect. This is apparent from the focus of the conversation on various claimed atrocities, the “stand with Ukraine” rhettoric. The issue is, all human life is valuable. So if it’s about moral outrage, which it is, then you would expect to see proportionate response to other people’s lives that matter.

      If there was the same degree of attention to Ukraine, but the moral aspect wasn’t as strong, it would be hard to argue a pattern of racism. But that’s not what we see.

      • Amicese
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        all human life is valuable

        What about people who are interpreted as idiots?

        • Polski Femboy
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          To consider lives of our political opponents without any value, is idiotic in itself. Those are living, breathing and thinking human beings. Just because they are propagandized doesn’t put them below us. No one is immune to propaganda and it’s hard work to be free from it’s clutches. Especially moral propaganda, as it can be very difficult to overcome for many. That includes me, I’m a sensitive person to human suffering and all of the Ukrainian refugees in my city affect me strongly. To the point I may sometimes forget many atrocities being possible false flags, and/or used as tools for spreading Russo-phobia. I’m trying my best though to approach propaganda without this veil over my eyes, but because others have problems or even can’t take the veil off doesn’t make them idiots. It means they need help to understand what is going on.

          Thus I believe proper education is always the best option and thus we must fight propaganda to help these „idiots” see truth. Unfortunately it’s not a tool that always works[1] and other preferably non violent methods should be employed, like reeducation camps[2] (after the revolution of course) for the more propagandized. For the extreme types work camps or imprisonment should be sufficient. Employing executions ought to always be the last option for the most cruel and despicable of enemies[3].

          In the current times the best we can do is educate and influence communities. Action is very important as well, as for most it speaks louder than words. So remember to go outside (lol), hold strikes, employ unions, attend protests and strengthen worker solidarity[4]. We ought to be their („idiots”) friends, not enemies like the mainstream media wants us to be.

          We have far more in common with average liberals than with those that spike them against us, so to spike ourselves against them is playing into the medias hands.

          [1] See fascists themselves, or self proclaimed ex-nazis. (This is just a single post, on c/Genzedong@lemmygrad.ml we have more dunking on Azov Something)

          [2] Even if forced, they can work well. An example would be China’s last emperor Puyi.

          [3] For example Henry Kissinger would fall under this category, but not your average propagandized liberal.

          [4] For example, fight this crap, and show them you want to better lives.