• @ByGourou@sh.itjust.works
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    There are a lot of calories lost when eating meat, because the animals burn calories by staying alive. So eating meat is like eating 15x times more calories from veggies. So everything bad for the environment about vegetarian consumption is true for meat too but in worse.

    And perfect is the enemy of good. Veggies aren’t perfect, but they’re far better than meat for the environment.

    Some of those are useless calories, we can’t eat grass and on some lands where only grass grows so cows are a way of using that grass, but that’s not the majority.

    • NSRXN
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      -65 days ago

      most of what animals are fed are parts of plants people can’t or won’t eat, or grazed grass. in that way, we are conserving resources.

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        This is not true. The vast majority of farmed animals come from high intensity operations and the vast bulk of the food they eat is grown agriculturally. This is one of those happy little lies people repeat to themselves without verifying because it provides them with a shred of moral license. They don’t really care whether it’s true or not and finding out it is false won’t change their behaviour, it’s a totally facile argument.

        • NSRXN
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          -34 days ago

          the vast bulk of the food they eat is grown agriculturally.

          sure, but I can’t eat cornstalks and I don’t want to eat soy cake, so feeding that to livestock is a conservation of resources.

          • Jerkface (any/all)
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            Where are you getting your information?

            The majority of all the plants that humans grow are fed to livestock. That’s just the fact of the matter. It’s not conserving anything, rather it’s incredibly wasteful. Human food crops could have been grown instead, on a fraction of the land.

            And again, you don’t really give a shit. It wouldn’t change your behaviour to discover you are mistaken, it’s a disingenuous argument. It’s sophistry.

            • NSRXN
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              Human food crops could have been grown instead, on a fraction of the land.

              human food crops are grown. soy is a great example. about 80% of soy is pressed for oil, and the byproduct is fed to livestock.

            • NSRXN
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              04 days ago

              The majority of all the plants that humans grow are fed to livestock.

              this is a lie

          • @ByGourou@sh.itjust.works
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            4 days ago

            Read more than the first sentence please

            “Some of those are useless calories, we can’t eat grass and on some lands where only grass grows so cows are a way of using that grass, but that’s not the majority.”

            • NSRXN
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              04 days ago

              most people don’t want to eat soy cake, or crop seconds, or spoilage. feeding that to livestock is a conservation of resources, not a waste.

              • Jerkface (any/all)
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                24 days ago

                Even if this were true, it does not address the moral argument that is at the root of this discussion. It’s a way that you distract yourself from the moral component of your choices. It doesn’t matter if it’s true or not, it doesn’t even matter if you believe it or not. It just has to distract you long enough that you get past the point where you might accidentally engage your empathy, and have a feeling you don’t want to have.

                • NSRXN
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                  -14 days ago

                  it does not address the moral argument that is at the root of this discussion.

                  the moral argument in this thread is about allocation of resources. if you want to make a separate moral argument, you’re free to do so.