This article was written in the sense of bashing gnome but yet some points seem to be valid. It explains the history of gtk 1 to 4 and the influence of gnome in gtk. I’m not saying gnome is bad here, instead I find this an interesting to read and I’m sharing it.
This article can pretty much be summed up as I don’t like GTK or Gnome so I’m going to just present them being shit as a factual statement. I use Arch and KDE btw.
Gnome 3 released close to 13 years ago and was announced 16 years ago. At some point, people need to stop crying about the UX changes and get the fuck over it.
If you don’t like it, use something else and stop being so entitled.
(seriously, tldr. also, wat, GTK is better than ever and has a bright future.)
the person who wrote this post is so full of hate and contempt. I find myself quite disinterested in reading.
If you love gtk2 so much why don’t you marry it?
:P I love developing with Qt but Ill take gnome over KDE most days.
I’ve been using GNOME for like a decade, and recently switched to hyprland, but KDE 6 looks really promising, looking forward to trying it out.
The article is very long and going in all directions, can I get a tldr of the point the author is trying to make?
GTK and Gnome makes me upset, something something KDE used to be a whore but is now an honest woman (???), I use KDE and Arch, btw
No, as you observed, it goes in all directions and doesn’t have a real point that can be summarized. This is not a recommendation to read it.
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I guess it’s because some people like consistency and not rapid changes. X may be because of NoVideo users.
“I’m not saying gnome is bad here”… but it lacks basic DE features, pushed useless crap like the activity view to people and slow animations that can’t be completely turned off. To top things they try to reinvent the desktop experience every 2 or 3 years and end up making things worse (like when they decided to remove the desktop icons).
All for a “design and usability view” that doesn’t amount to anything productive.
they try to reinvent the desktop experience every 2 or 3 years
GNOME 3 was released 12 years ago, and hasn’t changed that much (unless you consider horizontal virtual workspaces are a major paradigm shift somehow).
Just use something else if you don’t like it; no one’s “pushing” anything on to you. Clearly, other people do like it.
horizontal virtual workspaces are a major paradigm shift somehow
Yes. I also consider the removal of desktop icons, the default change to going into the activity view and whatnot important shifts and attempts at reinventing things.
Well, then I’d highly suggest you just use Xfce and not worry about GNOME so much. Xfce hasn’t changed much in years.
You left off the part about this being just your opinion and a lot of people like gnome.
Also, what kind of monster has desktop icons or files in 2023?
You left off the part about this being just your opinion and a lot of people like gnome.
Do you know why there’s KDE, XFCE and others? Because there’s also a lot of people who dislike GNOME.
I don’t dislike GNOME, I just know for a fact that most of what they do is trying to “reinvent the wheel” every three years.
Umm well akshually 🤓👆: KDE doesn’t exist because people don’t like GNOME lol. GNOME was made because KDE uses QT, which used to be proprietary.
Yeah I remember those early days. KDE had a 1.0 version out in the late 90s, which was perfectly usable as a standalone desktop environment, while at the same time Gnome was little more than a panel with a foot. Early Gnome was an unholy mess and remained so until the late 2.x versions in the mid 2000s. Like how many window managers and file managers did they go through? I believe they even had Enlightenment as the default window manager for a while, and then there was that weird Ximian desktop phase.
Hold your horses, when I said “exist because” I was implying any particular time frame, I was just saying that if GNOME was really that superior everything else would’ve already died out without users / developers.
Do you know why there’s KDE, XFCE and others? Because there’s also a lot of people who dislike GNOME.
If we are getting pedantic here, the above quote is clearly implying that alternatives exist and are actively developed because people dislike GNOME. Your statement does not take in to account the possibility that people just like the other alternatives, and may still like GNOME as well, or feel indifference towards it.
No one is claiming that GNOME has the superior desktop experience. Rather, GNOME has a more opinionated experience, that suits some people, and not others. For some people, it will be superior. For others, they will prefer KDE, XFCE etc.
No, they don’t exist because of Gnome lol.
Source on it reinventing the wheel every 2-3 years?
Gnome 3 was well over a decade ago. It’s worked the same way ever since.
Gnome is extremely productive, the workflow is amazing, much better than the Win95 workflow that everyone else uses, IMO.
Don’t really see how it’s changing every 2-3 years. Gnome 3 was well over a decade ago and not much has changed since. I don’t see why you felt the need to lie about that?
Yes because constant flashy animations that get between you and the task is the definition of “extremely productive”. The same goes for themes made with CSS and other web technologies and their absolute top notch performance. “Extremely productivity” is clicking a button and getting the window/panel/icon or whatever in front of you before your brain can even register the event, not a 2 second fade in followed by another equally excruciating fade-out animation.
What are these extremely flashy animations you speak of? I think you’re just making stuff up. I’ve never seen any of these long animations. I click on an app icon and it opens immediately. I click close and it closes immediately.
Gnome is extremely productive. It’s a big part of why most Linux workstations use it. It’s stable, keyboard-focused, gets out of my way, and has the best workspaces/virtual desktop implementation I’ve come across. I use it for my work. Getting my work done the Windows way is so cumbersome in comparison.
You gonna provide a source on your “completely reinventing the wheel every 2-3 years” claim, or will your next comment contain another new lie?
Use XFCE for a day and then come back here and talk about performance. Not that I like XFCE’s crude approach to thing but it is indeed fast and BS free.
Everything opens up immediately. My PCs perform well. I dunno where you got the weird animations lie from.
I’ve used XFCE plenty. XFCE would hinder my productivity massively, so nah I’m going to pass on that.
Still nothing on the “gnome massively reinvents the wheel every 2-3 years” thing? Not surprised, considering it was BS.
Still nothing on the “gnome massively reinvents the wheel every 2-3 years” thing? Not surprised, considering it was BS.
Removing desktop icons, forcing the activities view as default at some point etc. do you need more examples?
So your proof of Gnome “reinventing the wheel every 2-3 years” is them removing desktop icons (good riddance btw), idk, 7 years ago or something? And activities view (amazing for productivity and I wish others would catch up to Gnome here) well over a decade ago?
Yes. I will need examples. Because those aren’t examples of what you said - show me how using Gnome is night and day different to 2-3 years ago, and show me how using it then was night and day different to 4-6 years ago.
