• @lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee
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      Same. I’m purchasing 2 small things and there’s a line with the creepy incel cashier? Yep self checkout FTW. I have an entire cart full of stuff and the store doesn’t even have a cashier? FML.

      • @AlternateRoute@lemmy.ca
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        Ya, having a lot of items, or odd items like vegetables or bulk items at a grocery store that need to have a code entered or need to be weighed suck at self checkout.

        I would also say large items, but home depot and costco provide wireless scanners which work very well. Can just roll your cart up grab the scanner scan and go without taking stuff off.

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          That and age-gated items like alcohol and [some] medicines. If the one human managing the self-checkout horde is busy, you’re just left waiting.

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            Somehow Costco has managed this well (as has Sam’s Club).

            Costco always has sufficient ID checkers in the self-checkout, and Sam’s checks your ID as you leave the store if you do the Scan-as-You-Go feature.

            Quick and easy for both.

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              They really need to just pay for extra cashiers. And* can’t they also have “express lanes?”

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    • @Bye@lemmy.world
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      I actually really dislike it. I hate how it takes away lots of jobs from people. For example, there used to be a lot of retarded people who did bagging. That was an awesome way to get them into the workforce.

      I understand some people don’t like social interaction and like self check out, but they should suck it up.

  • @Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world
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    O green peppers are 99 cents each but red and yellow are 1.29? That’s so weird all these peppers I’m buying are green.

    Fuck you, I’m the cashier now.

    • @A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
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      Also

      Oh, something didnt scan and you walked out without paying for it?

      Enjoy your broken spine as cops appear in full swat outfit and tackle you to the ground and beat you with clubs because you are shocked and arent immediately calm and compliant.

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          Start a felony charge for a loaf of bread?

          give me a break. These companies cut corners every where they go. You think there stocking up on hard drives and algorithms to cut up and record people?

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            Look up the target method. They can automatically connect your face/payment ID to items you haven’t scanned. They get you after you’ve racked up enough cumulative value that you haven’t paid for to count for a felony.

            So no, they aren’t sticking you with a felony charge for a loaf of bread. They’re sticking you with a felony charge for enough loafs of bread to value a serious theft charge.

            It’s not going to effect you if you only ever stole one loaf of bread. Waiting until you commit enough theft is the cutting corners part you’re talking about.

            • @Sgt_choke_n_stroke@lemmy.world
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              Facial profiles and items stolen require directories, centralized databases, hard drives, programming, knowing the items. Personal to sift through the data.

              Companies think that’s cheaper than self check out?

              You must not be an engineer.

              • @Seasoned_Greetings@lemm.ee
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                It doesn’t have to do with what I think. That is what they do. Why don’t you put any amount of effort into verifying what I said instead of insulting me like you think I just made it up?

                You don’t think that loss prevention would be doing that stuff regardless of whether they had employed cashiers at registers or not? Loss prevention has been around since long before self checkout lanes, doing the same things they’re doing now. They already pay those guys. Self checkout is still cheaper if they don’t also have to pay a dozen cashiers.

                Also, you seem to be imagining a whole fbi crime scene setup in every store for a job that’s basically handled per location by 2 guys and a computer.

                A “database” doesn’t have to be (and usually isn’t) centralized across stores. “Hard drives” can be a single multi-terabyte hdd in the age we’re in now. “Programming” is just out of the box software they teach their prevention guys to use. The facial recognition and knowing items part comes built into the self checkout machine.

                You must not be an engineer either, because an engineer would understand that the cheaper option isn’t necessarily lower tech.

                Again, take 10 minutes and learn how to utilize a search engine. It’s not something they want people to know, but it’s also not exactly a secret. Target pioneered the kind of loss prevention techniques big box stores use today.

    • Rentlar
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      Yeah I’m not paid to use your stupid machine properly. I generally avoid self-checkout and never use it if I have a manually entered item. When there are no full service registers or only one, you know I’m going to be extra sloppy with the self-checkout.

      • @Garbanzo@lemmy.world
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        I generally avoid self-checkout and never use it if I have a manually entered item.

        At a certain point you’re just denying yourself the savings. Go get that informal employee discount!

      • @A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
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        I’m against what Walmart especially has done by remodelling stores and removing their checkout lanes and replacing them all with self checkout.

        but I have nothing against a store having a couple self checkout lanes.

        Cause they are nice to have if you only bought one or two things, and don’t want to wait behind a full cart… or if you are buying something you are personally embarrassed about and don’t want to have a cashier see.

        Self Checkout should be a very minor option valuable to a select few.

        not the primary means of checking out for everyone.

    • @fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works
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      Oh for sure, if I gotta guess I’m picking the one that’s best for me every time.

      Self checkout wants my opinion I’ll give it :)

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    At Costco it’s great minus the membership checks. Thanks this was a quick process, now let me stop and take my card out so you can see I’m not stealing deals.

    Walmart, fuck you hire more cashier’s why am I waiting 10 minutes to checkout at self checkout when you have 50 closed fucking lanes!

    • @FapFlop@lemmy.world
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      My Costco has had “self checkout” for about a year now. There’s a Costco employee that waves you over and scans all your items. I really don’t get it.

  • @WaxedWookie@lemmy.world
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    Remember kids, if you see someone shoplifting or switching the barcodes at your big-box self-checkout: No you didn’t.

    • southsamurai
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      Preach!

      I’m lucky enough to not need to take the risks involved in order to get by, but I’ll be damned if I’m going to fuck over someone that may be unluckier than me. Idgaf what it is, I’m fucking sergeant Schultz.

      • @WaxedWookie@lemmy.world
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        The way I see it, you’re doing a public service…

        • You’re creating jobs in loss prevention.

        • You’re helping make the case for retaining more checkout workers.

        • You’re keeping those minimum-wage checkout supervisors safe by not putting them in a position to intervene with desperate people trying to feed themselves.

        • You’re helping the store avoid wage theft by having you play unpaid, untrained, unqualified security guard.

        • You’re helping the needy feed themselves.

        Give yourself a pat on the back, you local hero! 🫡

    • @vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
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      My grandmother snitch on some poor bastard stealing crystal light at walmart. If someones stealing fucking crystal light from walmart theyre clearly in way worse than I am.

      • @WaxedWookie@lemmy.world
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        I worked at a supermarket in a wealthy area for years - no one stole more than the wealthy old crones from the retirement village next around the corner.

        • @vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works
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          The funny thing is she ain’t wealthy, ffs we live in the same house. She’s just got a really stupid and weirdly conservative and at the same time progressive sense of morality.

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      Especially when these people aren’t shoplifting big-ticket items like TVs. They’re shoplifting things they’re desperate for like food.

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        Oh - that I just don’t care about. Do you care about the wage theft they’re committing? It’s at a far larger scale than any shoplifting.

        Why are you so concerned with protecting a massive multi-billionaire-owned company plagued with ethical issues? Are those billionaire boots super-tasty or something?

        I am not a smart man.

  • @Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
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    I have no sympathy for companies losing money due to theft at self-checkout, it’s a cost saving measure that’s bitten them in the ass.

    They also suck for alcohol, or anything that doesn’t have a barcode, as mentioned in the story. I never buy either of those products at self checkout.

    • @Raiderkev@lemmy.world
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      Ha, I once got booted from a Safeway in my early 20’s when I was trying to buy beers and the lady who was supposed to be verifying ID was shooting the shit w her coworker. She clearly saw the thing flashing, but wanted to finish her story. I tried waving at her to no avail. She had a very I’ll get to you in a minute vibe, but she clearly wasn’t talking about work stuff. I had worked at a Lucky previously and they used the same self checkout system system. I knew I just needed to type my bday on their terminal to get it to sell, so I went n did it lol. Hey, self check out amirite? I figured fuck it, I’ll do that part too I guess.

      She finally noticed like right before I paid and took my beers and wouldn’t let me pay. I was like here’s my ID, I’ve been waiting like 5 minutes to show you. Manager showed up told me to leave, and never come back, it was a whole thing. Granted, I was 100% being a young , dumb prick, but I was annoyed with the lady not doing her job, and wasting my time. Having been on the other side of that terminal before, knowing how easy it was to do, I was super annoyed that she wasn’t even acknowledging me trying to get her attention. Fun times lol.

    • @residentmarchant@lemmy.world
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      The theft is a feature, not a bug in my eyes!

      Alcohol isn’t so bad where I’m at, I just scan it first to give the worker some time to scan their badge and let me continue

    • @WarlordSdocy@lemmy.world
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      I honestly only use self check out. I don’t buy a ton in a single shopping trip and I just find it easier to do it myself since I bring my own bulky bags that go on the side of my bike. A lot easier for me in general and sucks some places are getting rid of it.

    • @TheGreenGolem@lemm.ee
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      Interesting! Alcohol doesn’t have a barcode there?

      Here it does. But the self checkout lamp will go to red instantly and a clerk has to come to approve your age.

      • @Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
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        But the self checkout lamp will go to red instantly and a clerk has to come to approve your age.

        Which negates the benefit of self service.

        • @whofearsthenight@lemm.ee
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          Just scan the alcohol first, scan the rest next. As long as it’s not the only thing you’re getting, it’s almost def faster. Even if it is the only thing you’re getting, the time for someone to do an age check compared to standing behind 2 carts/trollies is nothing. Self check for me almost every time is way, way faster. Exception being if I have a ton of groceries (I can scan as fast as teh employees, but the self check shit has more guardrails that slow shit down) or a ton of produce (employees at a lot of stores are required to memorize the PLU, I am not.)

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            The store near me stops the scanning process and makes an attendant come check your shit. Literally sits on a screen saying “AN ATTENDANT WILL BE WITH YOUR SHORTLY, PLEASE WAIT”.

    • pflanzenregal
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      After a few times I memorized where the bread or fruit (w/o barcode) I usually buy is in the menu and am almost equally fast as an employee would be. So it just took me some time to adjust personally.

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      I bought beer last time I went through self checkout and of course it called some teenage girl over to check my ID; I’m pushing 60. I just said “No. I’m old enough to be your grandfather.” She was fine with that.

  • @gekkonaut@lemmy.world
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    unexpected item in the bagging area. place items in the bagging area. unexpected item in the bagging area.

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      I’m thankful pretty much every store here deactivated that sensor shortly after installing self checkouts.

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      Even worse, here in Canada at the Sobeys owned stores, you can opt to use your own reusable bag (plastic grocery bags are now outlawed) but if you do they prompt an employee to come check your bags. They never actually check, but if there isn’t an attendant around you just have to wait there until they notice and end the prompt. I waited for 10 minutes the other day because the employee went off for a break or something.

      Edit: spelling

      • @fruitycoder@sh.itjust.works
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        Oh man I nearly gave my SO an aneurysm because I started scanning items while she set up the reusable bags. Both of us were so over that stupid machine getting made about those bags sitting there!

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          Oh same note too! If you dare start doing something before you’ve gotten those bags ok’d, or if you plunk down a bag before it prompts you to do so it’s like you’re committing a felony.

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            You gotta time it with a heavy item. Some machines have tolerances for weight (or so it seems). So I always pick my heaviest item and put it down at the same time I put the bag down. Basically bagging it and placing it down at the same time. That “tricks” the machine into not realizing the extra weight is from a bag since the bag should be within the weight tolerance of the heavy item.

            I’ve never had it fail.

      • @Cort@lemmy.world
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        You know, around the 5-7 minute mark I’d be dumping my reusable bags and walking out.

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          I would’ve but I had just spent an hour getting a cart full of groceries and I wasn’t about to go do that again somewhere else. Plus I couldn’t imagine, at the time, they’d be gone that long.

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      Is this really something people struggle with? I don’t understand this complaint. I haven’t actually heard that alert in decades.

      Edit: thanks to the few of you who have answered. I’m not saying I don’t have any problems with self checkout—the overhead camera always thinks I’m stealing the soft drink or prescription or whatever that I leave in my cart, for instance—but my problem isn’t ever with the scale thing, even though that’s always the joke everyone makes.

      • @Jestzer@lemmy.world
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        The closest grocery store closest to my house is the only self-checkout store around me that still uses scales and they’re awful. There are certain items it doesn’t pick up on and it forces you to bag your groceries after checking out, making everything slower. I avoid that place at all costs, even though it’s the closest to me.

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          I think they all still have scales, but I think most people’s problems must be with poorly-calibrated ones or something. I haven’t had trouble with them in a very long time. What I have trouble with is the camera above assuming I’m stealing and summoning a person every single time.

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            I wouldn’t be surprised if most of the ones I use have a disabled scale, but only that one grocery store I mentioned actually uses it. It could be that they have poorly calibrated scales, but if that’s the case, then all of the ones they use are. Self-checkout everywhere else is a breeze.

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              When I worked at a grocery store, the attendant could override the “unexpected item” alert and it would re-tare the scale, causing problems for the next person if it wasn’t actually broken. I bet that’s what’s happened at the store you avoid; just years and years of careless attendants overriding too quickly and messing up the calibration.

      • @gekkonaut@lemmy.world
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        still alive and well at CVS in Manhattan as of last week. using your own bag just instantly locks the machine, even if you want to place it on the floor. I just abandoned it and went to the real checkout.

        • @ilinamorato@lemmy.world
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          Interesting. Around here they all have options for if you’re using your own bag. You just hit the button and it tells you to put your bags on the machine, and then you go on with your life. Sad they haven’t rolled that out everywhere.

  • @Jimmycakes@lemmy.world
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    No they aren’t they are gonna lean in even harder what a dumbass story. One time fixed cost will always win over paying people in perpetuity

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      I saw a grocery store put in the best self checkout lanes I’ve seen, then take them out a couple years later because their customers didn’t like them.

      Things be weird sometimes.

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      Kroger here just added two more lanes of self-checkout. We won’t use them. We’re a family of 3. We buy a lot of groceries. Doing it by ourselves would take so much more time.

      • @Classy@sh.itjust.works
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        Our Kroger had two rows of mini self checkouts, 2x3, and adjacent it was a cashier checkout. They removed one of the rows of minis and replaced it and the subsequent with a conveyor self checkout instead, so 3 minis and 2 conveyors.

        Now there are fewer places to check out, and the belted checkout is annoying as all hell to use. If you have 3 items it’s wasteful to use it because you have to walk 5 feet to fetch your bags, and if you have a large cart of groceries you wouldn’t want to self checkout anyway because it’s a hell of a lot easier to have help.

    • @Raglesnarf@lemmy.world
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      I keep seeing stories every so often on Facebook about this. I feel like these stories just pop up to bring up engagement on the site. most stores in my area (Florida) have increased self checkout

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      Yeah I think they saw a couple of examples Of stores taking out the self checkout lanes and ran with them. Although you could say the theft that the self checkout lanes allow is a recurring expense, but that’s probably not nearly as much as the saving that the machines give.

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    In my experience, self-checkout started with the weight sensors, rather than adding them later. I’ve noticed some stores have a system now without the weight thing, which probably cuts down on confusing and time-consuming error situations, but it makes it seem chaotic. My parents use them in the most fucked up way - leave everything in the cart, scan stuff, bag it, then put it in the cart, and I’m just WHAT? Aren’t they going to accuse you of stealing? Some walmarts aggressively pursue claims of theft from self checkout, like in the case of this lady who was awarded 2.1 million after being accused of stealing, which she said was not true. This article details the story of a lady who said she was arrested after not scanning things by accident, and the article notes “Sixty-two other people were cited and released by police at the same Tucson Walmart between January 2021 and April 2022.”

    During the civil trial, which lasted about three weeks, the judge criticized Walmart for the “intentional loss” of the security camera footage, according to court records. The judge, James T. Patterson, said that the court would advise the jury that the videotapes “were destroyed by the defendants with the intent” to deprive the plaintiff of the benefit of seeing them “and that the jury therefore is to presume that the content of the missing videos would be adverse” to the defendants.

    Walmart also is starting to use ‘AI’ to detect self checkout theft, which I’m sure will be foolproof and work out great.

    And if you’re wondering which item causes the most problems, it’s milk. O’Herlihy explains, “People find it hard to scan milk … Sometimes they get frustrated and they just don’t scan it.”

    What?

    Anyway, I’m sure they love not paying employees to do this, but it seems like more trouble than it’s worth.

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      From Tucson here: Walmart in town is pretty sketchy compared to the other places. We had someone light the chemical isle on fire on Christmas Eve that burnt down half the entire store lmao. Walmart sold itself as a low price retailer for so long that only low income people go there and with that there’s theft and then the classism of hiring armed guards during their high crime periods.

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      And if you’re wondering which item causes the most problems, it’s milk. O’Herlihy explains, “People find it hard to scan milk … Sometimes they get frustrated and they just don’t scan it.”

      Does milk not have a bar code?

      If anything, I’d figure it would be produce items that would cause the most drama, but eventually you start to remember those codes. 4011 is bananas. 4799 is for tomatoes. 4065 is green peppers…

      I love self-checkout because I bag things exactly like I want and I can get the process completed without having chat with the cashier or Karen out on the bagger for putting just two items in a large paper bag.

      I don’t think I’ve ever been stopped or accused of stealing things, but then I usually choose the unit closest to the cashier and I leave all my items in the bagging area until I’m done. That said, I used to be a grocery store cashier, so I understand the process a little better than most, but it’s still easy to make mistakes.

      • @deegeese@sopuli.xyz
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        Self checkout scanners are unbearably slow, and if you try to go any faster it’s “unexpected item in bagging area” and wait for the overworked assistant.

        I refuse to be bossed around by shitty robots.

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        Probably because it sweats and the pure white nature might make the laser more reflective? Only thing I can think of.

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      Milk is frustrating to scan? I did it yesterday just fine…

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        I’m not sure what that’s supposed to mean. People find it difficult to maneuver? Can’t find the bar code? Self checkouts tend to have a hand scanner too, and they could use that.

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          Self checkouts tend to have a hand scanner too

          I’m going to guess that this is regional or vendor specific, because I’ve literally never seen a self-checkout with a hand scanner. And if I ever did, I would expect it to transform into a broken, dangling cable within a few months.

          • @zeppo@lemmy.world
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            Perhaps. I’ve seen many, and they’re wireless. I suppose they might end up missing.

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            I know Walmart has them, it’s kinda necessary considering the size of some of the products they sell.

          • snooggums
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            We have hand scanners at the local grocery chains HyVee and Dillon’s (owned by Kroger) that are doing just fine. Lowe’s and Home Depot have hand scanners too. They have all sorted out all the ‘unexpected item in baggage area’ and other stuff years ago.

            No idea about Walmart, but could see that type of store going cheap on the hardware and having it treated terribly.

          • @InvaderDJ@lemmy.world
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            It’s fairly new in my area, but it’s great. That and contactless payments (Google and Apple Pay) are nice.

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            Every self checkout I’ve used has a hand scanner. Scanning your own things is so much faster. I fail to understand why people whose job it is to check people out all day are so slow at it.

            Then you get the customers that want to have a conversation with the checkout clerk. I’m sure the checkout person doesn’t care that your grandfather has the same name and he was name after his great grandfather who rode the rails across the expanding United States in the 1800s.

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              I fail to understand why people whose job it is to check people out all day are so slow at it.

              It is tiring as hell and they might just be pacing themselves.

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          Can’t wrap my head around this one. I held the gallon up the the scanner, it beeped, and added the price to my total. I can understand if people were intentionally stealing it for any other reason, but to say that the act of scanning it is just too much of a hassle…?

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        The condensation over the barcode/potentially warped shape of the milk often makes it not scan on the first go. Seen it many times haha.

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    Don’t get it. Sam’s and BJs both have scanning apps on the phone. Most amazing tech ever! Costco… HURRY UP! Also, Sam’s and Bjs don’t check my card because I WOULDNT BE ABLE TO BUY ANYTHING WITHOUT THE CARD ANYWAYS… Costco!!

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      It is a dumb bit of ceremony, but the door checker just glances at the card. You could roll in with a paper print out and be fine until the registers.

      Still, enough people do stupidly wait until they are in the door threshold and then block the path while digging around, so they should get rid of it.

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        It’s to make sure they didn’t forget the card at home/in the car/etc, and not realize it until checkout

      • Encrypt-Keeper
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        BJ’s doesn’t check anyone going in. You’re free to browse without a membership you just can’t buy anything.

      • @gac11@lemmy.world
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        At our Sam’s we just walk right by that door checker. If you show a card they nod, but if you don’t get out your card they ignore you

    • @smolyeet@lemmy.world
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      It’s so that you can’t share your card with friends. You specifically have to live at the same place and have proof when you add them to the account

  • @smackjack@lemmy.world
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    Walmarts’s self checkout is the only one in my area that doesn’t frustrate the hell out of me. I’ve stopped going to certain other stores simply because I don’t like their self checkout systems.

    • @Wes_Dev@lemmy.ml
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      122 years ago

      I’m autistic. I always apparently seem weird to people. That means any time I use a self checkout, the minders stare at me because they think I’m about to steal something. It makes me nervous, and I start getting uncomfortable and self conscious, which I’m sure makes me seem even more suspicious. And either security or the automated system have triggered the “please wait for an associate” so many times. But they always look at the video and tell me “Sorry, this thing is just sensitive/weird/whatever excuse.”, then leave me alone.

      I’m not going to call it discriminatory, because I don’t think it is? But it feels like I have to be on my best behavior or I’ll get arrested because I was so focused on trying to pass as “normal” that I missed scanning a tomato. And for the record, I’ve never stolen anything, even when I was low on food and really needed some stuff I couldn’t afford. Hell, I have forgotten to scan something once and went back in to pay for it.

      Self checkout sucks, but it’s normally still better than waiting in line and interacting face to face with a cashier.

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        22 years ago

        I feel like a criminal the second I enter a store, I’ve felt like this for at least the past decade, it’s like everyone is a suspect… Like damn I’m just here to buy milk and bread…

    • @ikidd@lemmy.world
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      Walmart wants to do some sort of AI surveillance shit at their self-checkouts, I noped the fuck out of that and go to their clerks now.

      • @smackjack@lemmy.world
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        12 years ago

        I stopped taking my phone out at WalMart after I learned that their security cameras are so good that they can zoom in on your phone and read your text messages.

    • @COASTER1921@lemmy.ml
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      Grocery store self checkout machines can be infuriating. The weight sensors are way too tightly monitored and often have the incorrect weight programmed. Every time I go to the main grocery store near me I need help from the employee due to their terrible sensors not detecting the weight of lighter items in the bagging area.

    • @null@slrpnk.net
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      262 years ago

      I believe it’s policy at Walmart for the regular staff to not prevent theft at all. Loss prevention handles that. They’ll build a case without pursuing at first, and then being down the hammer.

      • @Rukmer@lemmy.world
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        112 years ago

        I keep hearing this and I wonder about how they do this. I mean how to they keep records of every shoplifter? Do the employees recognize the people every time they come in? How many shoplifters can they keep track of? Are they like “ah yeah it’s shoplifter 687, put this video in his file”? Do they bother with people stealing an occasional item like basic clothing or food? Are they watching a single shoplifter over years, like what if they only steal once in a while and it’s low value? I’m curious about this, I’ve never actually heard from anyone who was watched over a period of time and then prosecuted.

        • @Furbag@lemmy.world
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          I was busted for shoplifting as a teenager and I sort of know how this works. The general employees (cashiers, service staff, etc.) don’t give a fuck if you steal and will actually get in trouble if they try and apprehend you. Almost all large companies operate this way for liability reasons. They aren’t insured enough to cover all of their staff in the event that one of them gets injured or killed trying to stop someone from stealing something. Much less costly to simply budget in a line item expense for incidental theft that’s bound to happen.

          Instead of the employees focusing on shoplifters, they have a loss prevention agent in the back watching cameras. Those cameras all over the place in all the big box retail stores, and they don’t even look like those super obvious dome cameras anymore. Most people who steal and get away with it will eventually come back to the same store to do it again. They take note of your face/features and watch for you to return (also, the large chain stores will share this information with other nearby stores). As soon as you step through the door the next time you come in, cameras are recording your every move. That’s exactly what happened with me and my delinquent friends. We ripped off the same store about 2-3 times and the last time was when the guy actually made his move and apprehended us. He waited for us to actually take something without paying for it and physically stopped us at the door as we were stepping through the threshold. At that point, they confiscate whatever you stole, show you the security footage of you taking the product and walking out with it, call the cops, press charges for petty theft if under $1000, and call your parent/guardian if you are a minor.

          In my case, I got extremely lucky because the cops simply never showed up after hours of waiting for them, and eventually, they couldn’t legally detain us any longer, so they released us to our parents without charges. My Mom was pissed and set me straight when we got home, and I stopped hanging around the dumbass kids who coerced me into doing it in the first place. We were also banned for life from the store, but I’ve actually been back to that same store several times as an actual customer and they didn’t recognize me anymore. Or they just didn’t give a shit.

          If you just steal once, especially if it’s a spur of the moment thing, a very low value item, or a complete accident, it’s really unlikely that loss prevention will care. If they start noticing lots of inventory going missing, they will watch those sections much closer for suspicious activity. There’s always the chance that you could just be randomly singled out by the cameras.

          I’ve heard of some places not bothering to stop food thieves because a person who steals food from a grocery store probably desperately needs it, but I imagine they all have a line that they aren’t willing to let people cross.

          • @August27th@lemmy.ca
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            I feel like in the future this is going to get more intense. They will have facial+ear+gait recognition combined with AI so they can detect and combine literally every instance of shoplifting, intentional or not (to say nothing of footage that only coincidentally has the appearance of shoplifting but they retain it as “proof” anyway), over decades of visits to any of their locations, and once you’ve accumulated over $1000 combined in unpaid merchandise, hit you with a felony charge.

            Or they just ban you after the first incident straight up, and electronically recognize you and kick you out for the rest of your life afterward.

            And you would have no affordable recourse because they have all the footage and lawyer money to oppose fighting it.

        • @Joeffect@lemmy.world
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          They have your face and whatever else information you give them when you check out. It’s all covered in cameras. Doesn’t take much. I’m sure they don’t get everything and they have false positives. But if you become such a problem for them yeah.

          I don’t have any real experience with this but I think it’s actually hard to catch the accidental thefts and such who they are losing so much money and starting to rethink these things.

      • @this_1_is_mine@lemmy.world
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        Target will wait for you to steal serval “inflated value mind you full profit plus…” thousand dollars of stuff before pursuing you legally. It’s easier when it’s large sums.

  • @digger@lemmy.ca
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    As long as shrink stays below what they save by removing cashiers they will stay. It may be location specific removals at high shrink stores.

  • @atrielienz@lemmy.world
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    The only reason for Costco to do this would be theft prevention or to make sure members are the only ones using their cards.

      • Supercritical
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        And they specifically want to see the picture of you on the back.

        • @whofearsthenight@lemm.ee
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          and then they sign the receipt at self check and on the way out. My guess is that this is still not accurate enough for them compared to traditional scanning. That said, it’s batshit if they if they don’t replace it with some express lines. Obviously most people in costco are there for a cart full of shit, but I (and judging by self check lines) often go in with a specific thing or 3 in mind.

      • @atrielienz@lemmy.world
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        Our Costco has started doing this since the pandemic. They didn’t really do it much before. The crackdown is coming at a time where the price of everything is rising and they want more people to buy the membership instead of mooching off others who have.

  • 👁️👄👁️
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    Literally the opposite is happening. Look at any busy store: self checkout can handle like 10 people, compared to registers which are significantly less at any given time. Registers account for much less business, and corporations are going to try and get by the minimal amount of employees as possible to function. Handling physical cash also adds more complexity with tills having to be deposited, audited, and withdrawn daily.

    • @Anaphylactic_Gock@midwest.social
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      I just wish more stores took a hybrid approach. Like fuck, regular checkout and self checkout don’t have to be mutually exclusive. But all the stores around me with self-checkout never staff more than 1 MAAAAAYBE 2 regular cashiers.

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      what is actually happening is far worse then either of the scenarios. Bigger retail establishments such as Walmart is doing away with the brick and mortar stores in general in favor of online only warehouses. No walk in and grab 2 or 3 items, gotta buy it online if you want the item. They were just boasting about it on the Wire (Walmart’s Associate Page not the news site) a few weeks back.