This makes perfect sense to me. If you plug your phone in to your car and give it permission to access all your shit, then it will access all your shit, and store it locally so that it doesn’t have to re-download all your shit every time. If you don’t want your car to do that, then don’t plug in your phone and give it permission to do that.
Having said that, it is terrifying how much of our personal data modern cars collect. We should be fighting that, but this specific case was not the way to do that.
The article specifically mentions this which implies that it’s stored on the car.
Berla’s software makes it impossible for vehicle owners to access their communications and call logs but does provide law enforcement with access
But it’s immediately followed up with
Many car manufacturers are selling car owners’ data to advertisers as a revenue boosting tactic
Pretty much all new cars being sold today, most cars in the last 5 years, and a large percentage of cars sold in the last 10 all have some sort of cellular modem that reports back to home base with all sorts of info, then they turn around and sell it. GM has been doing this for 20+ years at this point with on star which is included in almost every car they’ve made.
Sure, but from what I’m seeing, the article wasn’t about them selling it. It was about them storing it, which only happens after you plug your phone in and agree to their terms.
WTF does that even mean?
Sure they are selling your private conversations, but I only care about the fact that they had to store it to do it?
Your logic holds true as long as that data stays in the car. Pretty sure this ruling allows them to slurp that data up and use it however they want.
They would do that? Just copy all our data and use it for their own interests?
I’m shocked, shocked I say!
Yeah, people fuck kids also, it doesn’t mean it should be permissible
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@xkforce @plz1 although I agree with what your saying, it shouldn’t be a concern.
It is a concern but shouldn’t. If car makers followed a fair privacy stance, would we use more of those features? My guess is …yeah?
Privacy brings more customers so in turn its a solid business move! Is it a profitable one? That’s the one I wanna answer!
I disagree. I want every interaction to be processed individually and iteratively. I look forward to my stereo turning into a BOOM box.
Oh nice, so people are spending $30,000 min on any new car AND it will record and pass on everything you do in it? Oh and depending on the car manufacturer you may have to pay a subscription for remote entry and heated seats. Its almost as if you are paying for something that you don’t control, don’t own and now works directly to steal information from you. Cool. Cool.
What’s the going rate on a horse and buggy these days?
Probably depends on the horsepower
A large chimp will actually produce something closer to one horsepower than those stupid overclocked horses.
Also, they’ll rip your face off, so win-win
Also the chimp will watch everything you do and call it in on a cellphone.
Yeah, fr. Fuck my face. :(
Somewhere between one and two.
One horse and 3 huskies?
Would you believe a rabbit and three ducks dressed as a horse?
Absolutely
Fucking why? WHY IS IT OKAY TO SPY AND SNOOP?
$$$$$$$$
Wouldn’t it be cool if legislatures made decisions based on the constitution and ethics and weren’t completely driven by corporate profits?
Because a billion people clicked “I Accept” over the past 20 years.
What they really clicked is “this is bullshit and I don’t have time to read all of this, just to use something I paid for”. If companies were required by law to distill their policies into plain English and short summaries then a lot fewer people would have clicked accept. But those ToS started out as nothing more than overly long liability waivers, and over the years the corporations started sneaking more and more exploitative language into them.
It sounds like someone needs to bring a similar suit in the EU and point to the GDPR. Where is the agreement to specific processing, the chance to opt out of the data collection, etc.
By design.
I have issue if they:
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Collect unnecessary data if just used to read out messages, relay calls, or navigate
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Store it in their cloud service (i.e. not local on the car)
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Share it or sell it with other third parties
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Cannot delete the data collected
They will say they won’t but there’s nothing stopping them. Isn’t that the actual problem?
Yes, the problem is that there are no laws to stop them and now it was just officially made legal.
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I think I’ll continue sticking to “dumb” cars… at least as much as they’re available.
The “smart” fad can go fuck a duck.
Or just don’t connect your phone to it. That’s what I do. I’ve never touched the “smart” screen in my car except to adjust the air conditioner.
Ugh, I also have a special hatred for touch screen anything in cars.
Give me fucking knobs and buttons. I don’t want to have to stop looking at the road while I drive a 1000kg death machine because I can’t adjust the air con without looking.
Yes and you paid for that “smart” screen, and anyway does this stop the car from sending anything? No?
You sure showed them, by not using the stuff you paid them for. Yeap.
I paid for a car that I could drive halfway across the country in and be comfortable,not spend a fortune on fuel, and not worry too much about it stranding me on the side of the road. The smart screen just happened to come with it. So it seems to have worked out fine for me.
Are you naturally an asshole or are you making a special effort here?
Yes, clearly I am being an asshole for not defending the automakers.
Sick fucks.
I got my ballot this Monday and half of the spots to be voted on had only one candidate… maybe remove that shit from the ballot and add things like…“would you like Toyota to know where you are when you send emails about your period?” That would be useful.
You’d think, but that’s essentially the California proposition system, and it has significant downsides.
Care to elaborate on the significant downsides?
I’m in Washington State so I guess it is everywhere.
For what it’s worth my 2015 Toyota will allow me to connect over Bluetooth but in android I wouldn’t give it permissions to my text message, just audio. It works fine except for the fact that every damn time I turn the car on it asks again for text message access and I have to click no on the infotainment screen.
Great 🤦♂️
Fuck that shit.
First step of buying a car, find all antennas and replace them with dummy loads
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Double you fucking tee eff? Holybonkerslaw Batman! Now what? Can Motorola take pictures of me while I take a shower watching porn?..err, sending emails?
