Look at that shit! Before it was here are your two browsers choose! Now it’s…how about for the letter A? Suppose a website starts with an A, would you choose Edge to be your default browser?.. then you choose chrome or Firefox, and when you click on a link Edge Pops up with some shit like…Are you really sure you wanna use Firefox to view websites that start with the letter A?
Fuck Microsoft! Give us a fucking break you assholes! You are this turd of a company that is just stuck to company’s assholes and that’s the only reason any fly will ever touch your software.
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I’ll be honest, there was a time when Edge was a really nice browser. Probably the best of the chromium browsers. It had an excellent reader mode, impeccable PDF viewer, and a few small quality of life tweaks that actually improved shopping, privacy, Etc. But then Microsoft did what Microsoft does and filled it with bloat, needless features, an unclosable assistant, and ever more aggressive tracking.
In a year, they’ll abandon it and rebrand it the new Bing browser, and the cycle repeats
Firefox has a really nice reader mode, it will soon get a much better PDF viewer and it doesn’t come with much bloat. You can also use LibreWolf to fully minimize bloat in Firefox and enjoy the additional privacy benefits.
That’s why I switched back to Firefox. In the end, I always switch back to Firefox.
PDFs in web browsers shouldn’t be a thing.
It’s funny that a lot of this is people with bullshit jobs trying to justify their existence. A company this big gets bloated internally with staff - especially middle management - that will manipulate information to prevent themselves from becoming redundant, so they will insist that their specific project is super important and they absolutely need every engineer working for them, because their prestige and pay are connected to how many people they manage. So then your software fills up with useless junk until the problem gets so bad it can’t be ignored. There’s a big internal shake-up and products get rebranded but most of the organisational bloat remains, so the cycle starts again.
You know, there was a time when people used to go to sears for the good stuff and to Kmart too. Then they screwed up big enough among their competition and now there may be like one or two of those places still open somewhere behind a MacDonalds on a refurbished MatCo truck that used to be a Taco truck too.
I can’t wait for the day Microsoft is finally just some shitty ass UPS truck painted over with their logo still showing a little and three guys in it repairing the last known laptops to ever run windows. I’d adopt a dog just to walk him by and let him pee on the tires.
Microsoft, you’ve done everyone wrong too many times one last time.
You want us to use Edge? Then stop sucking, and respect our privacy. Oh, wait…that’s the antithesis of Microsoft’s philosophy.
Do you consider Edge to be worse than Chrome?
/edit: I asked because they said “You want us to use Edge” when evidently many people do use Chrome, and I don’t see Edge being noticeably worse than Chrome.
It was at least running its own engine until a couple years ago. But now, you may as well use chrome.
But don’t use chrome. Use Firefox.
Wasn’t its engine basically just an updated Internet Explorer engine, though?
It is chrome, but bloated with microsoft crap.
It is chrome with a different tracking system
It’s chrome without Google’s ad “privacy” bullshit.
It has Microsoft’s one, tough. It isn’t different
It is different. Chrome automatically opted US users into their new “topics” advertising feature which allows Google to use your browser history to assign topics of interest to you and use it to deliver targeted adverts at you.
A wolkswagen golf and a jeep renegade are 2 different cars, but they are still cars…
If chrome is a blue jeep renegade, edge is a green jeep renegade, with a GM logo and a different gps system
Are suggesting that nobody should use any web browsers because they are all web browsers?
And Google’s, Apples, etc, etc.
Mind, I’m not saying that to excuse any of them.
At least at one time MS “produced” (that is to say, acquired) some really great software (Office 4.2 was a massive game changer). But they couldn’t wait for everyone to be always connected to implement their telemetry game (which they were actively developing in the mid 90’s).
I can’t believe Micro$oft is still trying to pull this shit after it was fined for this in the European Union.
Hopefully, they’ll fine them again, because this is unacceptable.
No, I don’t use Windows, but people who use it and are less tech savvy should not be jumping through so many hoops to make the switch
Apple is almost as bad with Safari on MacOs and you can’t even really change the browser on IOS. But everyone shits on Microsoft.
Thank you! I don’t like either approach but I hate that only one gets this much flack
You can change the default browser, but it doesn’t matter since all of them are forced to use Apple’s WebKit.
Exactly my point. Pretty much just a different skin
I think the reason for the dichotomy is their purported motivation for doing so.
I say “purported” because I know Lemmy has a bone to pick with Apple’s privacy claims, and I would prefer to gracefully avoid it, but I will say that, regardless of the extent to which Apple collects user data, it is easy to ensure that they aren’t hyper-aggressively monetizing it.
Interestingly, if you install Chrome or Firefox, you won’t see them as choices. But if you install the Brave browser, you will see it as an option — and if you select that, then whenever you click on a news link in the Widget pane, it will come up in Brave.
Fick everything about this
Maybe someone should sue them for overly tight integration of their browser into their os…
Might work, I mean, it worked once before, lol
Apple standing on the side: 👀
Apple got its own EU internet browser ruling to deal with recently: https://www.theregister.com/2023/11/02/apple_safari_browser/
RIP antitrust laws
Some may call this malware?
I would!
Did you guys know you can run Edge on Linux natively? I installed it for shits and giggles once before throwing up and apt purging that shit as fast as I could.
Oh, you can run VS Code as well, but I think that IDE is actually kinda useful. At least for the embedded PlatformIO shit I do. If there’s another IDE with that sort of integration as well as Github, then I’m willing to try it.
VSCodium- all of the perks, None of the telemetry tracking. Minimal tweaks to a config file lets you use the same plugins that “only” work in VSCode.
For a breif moment, you were the entire user base on Linux.
Their design philosophy is so bad. They’ve made probably the most bloated web browser in existence. No wonder people go to Chrome, it doesn’t have 90% of the useless clutter.
I just set my default browser and install MSEdgeRedirect. It’s like EdgeDeflector, except it’s not been abandoned. Its latest version even “grounds CoPilot”, as the dev so nicely put it.
The easiest way to get out of this Edge shit is to just replace Windows completely.
I couldn’t find a complaint with a quick googling… probably because Google is now a shitty place to find stuff. But check out the process for changing over to another browser. It’s so fucking annoying.
My solution was changing over to another operating system. I’ve had it to here with Microsoft, and with Proton on Steam being great as it is I really had no more excuses to stick to Windows.
For the average home user, Linux is a possibility. But MS has the office world captured.
Just try to replace Office, their directory services, etc, without having costly (as in time) issues with all sorts of things.
That said, MS is caught in the middle with O365 and Azure - no reason to use Windows if they just host it all for you.
I guess MS Office has special features that are now essential and integrated into office businesses. But personally I’ve been using Libre Office even on Windows already. But then again, I’m the average home user.
I mean, any time I use one of the browser versions of the office apps, if what I need takes any longer than a few minutes I always switch to the desktop app because the browser apps are frustratingly slow to use.
That said, I’m still switching to Linux because I use LibreOffice at home.
Not just switching the default; have a go at removing Edge entirely, its a huge PITA.
You’ve gotta manually take ownership of Edges files, including its updater service, force that service to close and delete it, then finally delete the files for Edge itself. If you do that out of order, or you install certain system updates; it’ll reinstall itself so you have to do it again.
From there some simple things like the news+weather taskbar widget and the start menu search will no longer open/function. (they ignore your default browser setting and forcibly use Edge)
Wow, that’s annoying. I’m gonna hold off for windows 12 when the European union forces Microsoft to not be such an asshole.
What’s so annoying about this? For me it would be moving a few extensions that I use, and logging into a few sites. The whole process is 15 minutes tops, and an occasional tweaking afterwards.
So I’m not a big fan of edge, but the addition of their chatgpt search assist to edge has made me start using it instead of google’s horrible shit infested search. At least for tech stuff there is no comparison.
Try Perplexity.AI It can search the web.
Linux all the way.
Windows is only on kid’s computers. Because they need roblox and generally games run better on windows.
I’m as pro Linux as they come, using windows for me makes me want to bash my head against the wall because I feel like I’m constantly battling my PC, it’s awful to use IMO. But this is just silly.
Windows is only on kids computers? Windows is on the majority of computers. ~70% of them.
Linux is on 7-8% of them, half of which is ChromeOS, which funny enough probably has a higher proportion of child users than Windows, given its popularity in schools and as a cheap device for kids.
The overall amount of kids on Windows and Linux probably isn’t very different.
And if you think kids are the only people who do PC gaming then you’re wrong there too lol
I think you misunderstood. Windows is only on the kid’s computers in their household.
That’s right. I should have been clearer.
It is not easy when your kids want to play Roblox with friends and Roblox only runs Windows.
Yes, I could have tried proton, but I don’t want to deal with issues. I tried running windows only games on linux. The user experience is far from ideal. More frequent crashes, other issues.
These days kid’s download free games they want. I could not have that on Linux.
Most stuff on Steam runs very well these days. Anti-Cheat and DRM are the main reasons stuff doesn’t run.
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I agree we should use Linux instead of Windows, but some softwares only work on Windows (mostly games) so…
You can run a Windows VM with KVM and pass through your GPU for Gaming or other GPU-intensive tasks. It works surprisingly well.
To be honest it’s quite PITA to make it work this way. I chose to not play games that don’t work on Linux at all.
It took me like 3 hours, and if I had realized that I need to enable IOMMU in the BIOS it would have been 15 minutes.
Can you drop a link? It is best if it is Arch linux link. Thanks.
Based Linux runs almost the entire web while cringe Windows is used to play fancy video games
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