• Th4tGuyII
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    372 years ago

    I find it hard to believe that all of the guards meant to be watching over a high-profile prisoner on suicide watch just happened to disappear at the same time the multiple cameras also meant to be watching over him failed, and those both happened to coincide with the period he’s said to have killed himself.

    Either it’s unimaginably high levels of incompetence and neglect, or somebody paid off a bunch of people. Considering it was rich pedos who wanted him dead, I don’t find the latter unreasonable to believe

    • @saigot@lemmy.ca
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      Yeah I think epstien killed himself, but I think its plausible someone enabled him to do that. But prisons are also grossly negligent and incompetent most of the time.

    • @BilboBargains@lemmy.world
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      On the other hand, given that he had already been convicted of sexual abuse crimes and was contemplating spending the rest of his life in prison, there’s plenty of motivation to kill himself. It’s convenient for his pedo friends but there’s no incontrovertible evidence that anyone else was involved.

      • @Zron@lemmy.world
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        He just happened to pick the exact right moment when the cameras were off and the guards were away?

      • Th4tGuyII
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        62 years ago

        There is absolutely motivation for him to have done it, and I don’t necessarily disbelieve he was involved in his own death.

        I firmly believe that somebody at the very least greased the required palms to make sure nobody would be around, otherwise the fact that there is no footage and no witnesses to to the death of someone so high-profile and supposedly well guarded becomes almost unbelievable.

    • Never explain with malice what can equally well be explained by incompetence. I readily believe that the conditions in prison are awful, tech ain’t working and people are not doing their jobs. In any other case everybody would believe that too. I also believe that someone who’s sure he’ll die or spend a very long time in prison will prefer suicide. If I’ve learned one thing from rich, influential people it’s that they’re not exactly competent and couldn’t’ve pulled of a murder like this without people bragging about it left and right and leaving a massive paper trail. Sadly, the suicide is just the easier, more plausible explanation.

      • Th4tGuyII
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        I am aware of Hanlon’s razor, and usually do give benefit of doubt for exactly that reason. People are often just as, if not more stupid than they are malicious.

        Having said that, it is just inconceivable to me that such grave incompetence would come about when the person in question is quite literally the golden ticket to apprehending the pedo-ring to end all pedo-rings.

        I don’t even necessarily disbelieve that he killed himself, the motives are there - but I do firmly believe that at the very least somebody greased palms to make sure there were no witnesses to prevent him taking his life when the opportunity arose. Given the amount if corruption amongst the police, that is certainly something I’m willing to believe

        • I don’t believe any of that. To the people who actually handled him he was just another inmate and that’s where the incompetence and apathy come in. There’s been a lot of inmate deaths in the news recently, which strengthens my belief. For many people Epstein was important, but I don’t think the grunts in prison gave a crap who he was.

  • @DannyMac@lemmy.world
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    After watching a YouTube video that detailed the situation and environment he was in (a horribly mismanaged overcrowded correctional facility), I think he did kill himself because he knew he was fucked and was going to live the rest of his life as far removed from the lifestyle he was accustomed to as possible. He had already tried to kill himself previously. The people watching him are among the staff that are over-worked and have to maintain order in an already overcrowded facility… yeah, there will be gaps in observing him.

    However, regardless of whether he killed himself or not, the rich are always keeping their best interests first at the expense of others. The real crime is that they’re killing us, just much slower.

    • @CADmonkey@lemmy.world
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      I’ve wondered if he wasn’t killed by some cabal of moneyed pedophiles, but was instead put in a situaution where he would just kill himself, thereby keeping their hands “clean”.

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    I really don’t know what I should think about it. He might’ve killed himself, but he also might not have done it.

    Edit: but I’m pretty sure that McAfee killed himself.

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    The dude killed himself lol.

    Prison workers are overworked, underpaid, and the vast majority of them don’t give two shits about the people they’re working with. They’re trying to get in, do their time, and get out just like 90% of other people working an hourly job.

    The dude was a rich multimillionaire who peddled children to the rich and wealthy in a cell with nothing, with the expectation of being killed by others at every corner, both from inmates knowing he was a pedo and the rich trying to silence him.

    There may have been some greased palms regarding giving him the ability to kill himself, but even that’s doubtful. Prison is an absolutely horrible, vile, shit hole for most everyone who steps foot on the property. The dude was seeing the grass greener on the other side through the loop of that noose.

    • @kofe@lemmy.ml
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      Occam’s razor, tbh. The guards falling asleep and all that could still have been organized for him to follow through on his own plan. It’s one of those things we may never know, but iono, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence

      • @Cleverdawny@lemm.ee
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        Yeah, and it’s just not surprising to me that a very rich pedophile kills himself on his second attempt right after getting his lawyers to take him off suicide watch

  • @saltesc@lemmy.world
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    I dunno. I get the feels either side is more likely to flip views if they knew they agreed on something.

    “Well if the x believe that, it must be wrong! Rabble rabble rabble…”

    Then they realise they both agree that he did kill himself and flip again…