Cause we’re small but mighty
Reddit, eat ur heart out!
I’ve been trying out the other fediverse platforms, based on how cool Lemmy is, and they all pale in comparison. It really is a neat little thing we’ve got going on.
I really do like Tildes for certain more predictably high-quality answers when its something serious or technical but it can seem a touch heavy-handed. Ultimately, I appreciate the rigor where its important to have that and filter the memes and general+local
anaesthesianonsense we all love and know Lemmy for ;)Your post prompted me to have a look at Tildes. It looks alright, but a bit… dry.
Its not for everyone and that’s part of why its for me ;) Not that I’m elitist or anything, I just hate low-efforts and assholes, ne’r may the two meet here
Yes! Viva la difference! I like that there are a lot of options for everyone, I’d just like some more options that suited me.
J’adore le différance á Jacques Derrida
It can be. Women or queer persons can potentially have a tough time there, too.
Can you elaborate or link me to some corroboration of that—it seemed remarkably progressive and reasonable in my limited experience
So, here’s the thing. There’s a difference between a space allowing people that don’t look or act like the people already in the group and accepting those people. In some places, inclusiveness ends as soon as you get in the front door. Tildes is one of those places.
Now, don’t get wrong, I don’t think most of the people at Tildes are intentionally malicious or anything like that. And any large influx of people like the kind that would have happened with open registration after what went down on Reddit is going to cause mistrust and, sometimes, hostility. That’s just human nature. The difference is Tildes is intentionally protective of its culture.
This came about by both a) restricting the development of niche (or minority) communities, and b) limiting invites so that the small trickle of people who come in are assimilated more easily. That culture–like so many of these types of places–started with mostly white men of privilege from the tech sector. All the good and bad that comes with that is going to propagate in such an environment.
Even if Tildes didn’t originate in a culture that has a reputation for being homogenous and abrasive, this setup would still have lead to a certain type of group-think. Dismissive, and a little bit short on empathy and active listening. Martin Luther King Jr. talked about negative peace, where there wasn’t open hostility, just an absence of tension (as opposed to positive peace, which is the presence of justice). This is not dissimilar.
This comment chain on Tildes is an example someone else shared.
My only argument I wanna make here is nobody knew my race or identity when I even asked for and summarily received an invite to Tildes (almost instantly!)
Unless I’m making some perceptual or logical issue here, I would say that is a stark contrast to the vignette you sorta painted here.
Again, it’s not about who they let in. It’s about how they respond to conversation that doesn’t mesh with their ingrained culture.
The conversation I linked is all about that.
Ya, that post was pretty wishsy-washy and sweeping, people can make their points without needing to resort to identity politics to give credibillity to non-credible or insufficient arguments they want to toss out there. From my experience, I could argue any point from whatever lens you can think of and I believe I could receive votes and recognition. I can even swear because the force of my argument will be sufficient to excuse any nominal crassness that I strategically use to intensify the reasonable claim I ultimately make from the relevant or hypothetical vantage point in question.
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What the heck happened tho? Did you do something or what do you think precipitated that?
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I’d say Tildes, HackerNews, and Hubski are all really cool and high quality.
I’d say Tildes, HackerNews, and Hubski are all really cool and high quality.
I’d say Tildes, HackerNews, and Hubski are all really cool and high quality.
You have an invite for Tildes?
I don’t know when I start getting them, I’m pree new
The tildes guy is on reddit and seems like a good dude, I bet you could ask for an invite. I can’t remember his name though, it begins with a d?
Deimos?
What’s Reddit? Is he on Lemmy?
Good point, I’m sure OP could write Tildes directly from the site if he wants to avoid reddit.
Ya, i really appreciate Tildes as kinda of a haven from any nonsense when I feel a bit more serious or inquisitive about something heady.
First weekend on Lemmy and I’m loving it.
I’m noticing a very strong hard-left bent though, which suits me just fine, but it’s interesting to see how progressive this space is
I think the center ain’t working for folks anymore
People behave in normal distributions. By definition vast majority of people are in the centre. The extremists (outliers) scream the loudest and warp an observer’s perception but the actual population is still a normal distribution.
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Communists built the platform, and far left spaces fled here years before the rest of us, after Reddit banned some leftist subs.
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The Politics@ communities seem to be doing their best to bring that back to the right, but yes, outside of that it’s leftist to a lovely degree.
Just tilt your phone a bit to the right maybe that helps? 😁
One of my favourite things about reddit was that I could sort by controversial, and would often find a reasonable take explaining the view of the opposing side. Even when I don’t agree with it, I still want to hear it, and what I often found the case to be is that I didn’t quite agree with either sides and (unsurprisingly) the thruth is somewhere on the middle.
On Lemmy this often is not the case and I pretty much only hear one side of the argument and not many bothers to write a reasonable take arguing against the apparent view of the masses because it’ll just receive downvotes and bad faith counter-arguments. The extreme left is just as unreasonable as the extreme right and it’s often the majority in the middle who simply stays silent. There seems to be almost no space for nuance and complexity.
I’ve commented more here in this short time than my 10 years on reddit. I feel heard and I feel supported. Most people are civil and respectful and I really appreciate it. Thank you all.
Well fuck you then.
Well… that escalated pretty quickly
I definitely escalated real quick just now 💦
Heh
Same here and I love it!! This is not Reddit, this is Lemmy!
Federation is just complicated enough to keep the dummies out. Also probably defederating the idiot instances and better content moderation.
I don’t understand the “it’s complicated” thing. Figuring out which instance to use was slightly confusing (I went with lemmy.world because it seemed to be the most popular at the time), but after that, it’s no more complicated than Reddit or any other social media site. Am I missing anything?
It’s the “slightly confusing” step that 80% of people don’t take.
Yep. Presenting the user with a choice that they don’t fully understand (which instance should I choose? What even is an instance?) is a very big deterrent.
Bigger deterrent is presenting real choice than one they don’t understand
No, you tried something new, the unknown did not dither you. Weirdly, that was the “complicated” barrier.
Ackshually so right about that. Don’t wanna be mean, but yeah, no.
Well, dummies is too strong a word tbh. its the people who didn’t take the 30 seconds to understand how they have been using e-mail, a federated service, their entire fucking lives and things worked well.
I love that there are so many geeks with such healthy understanding about the world.
Religion? Pff, everyone pro-atheism.
Climate change? Pff, everyone against corps.
Open source software & privacy? Pff, lots of suggestions od what to do and what NOT to do.
Lemmy is great.
I just wish there were more hobbyists among us. I barely see any writing or art content on here.
I’m really not against going to church and being pro-social, as long as people are innoculated with critical thinking and common sense.
As a critical thinker, church is unlikely to be high on your list of socializing options - unless you’re conducting some kind of experiment.
Its not about the god stuff, its about community and getting out to meet and socialize with it. God is just the social lubricant in place of alcohol but lots of cool people, musicians particularly, younger people like myself to make friends, lunches, prizes, volunteering to help people in non-religious services, etc.
Don’t give a flying fuck about god, “he” is most likely nothing more than a simulacrum at this point (as he always was), its just good people and really accepting ones depending on the church. Mine def is
I wish this was possible without the whole god thing. What do you do during prayers etc.? Whenever I’ve attended a baptism or a funeral or some such, all I can think about is how much mana the priest is using when casting the bless on the audience. It gets so awkward.
What is mana? Is that like some RPG thing?
Yes, I thought all magic works like that.
As a church enjoyer, I feel very othered right now. Can we go back to the vibe of OP’s indiscriminate joy and excitement?
Trust me, he’s the other. God love 'em ;)
As someone who sees religion as a scourge on society and the unfettered, tax-free existence of churches as little more than a symptom, I wasn’t crazy about the possible implication that church attendance was required in order for one to be considered prosocial.
I do if its a badly-behaving church that is doing that crap, otherwise they can really be a positive fixture of the community if its done right
Aww, you went and ruined it. Come awnnn
I’m amazed these days at how acute my “bullshit-o-meter” is. Its pretty fucking hard to run any bullshit past me most days as of late. This format really is brain candy for my personality and knowledge aquisition
Lemmy has been helping me lots. Been feeling so isolated, this is the first social online platform I’ve been able to participate in years. Talking to actual humans. Being able to help other humans.
Hell ya, party on, bruh
Hello Pi :)
Welcome! It might be doomsday outside, the roof of this place is leaking and might be close to caving in, but I’m glad you are here in this corner of the Internet with us today. ❤
Its kind of funny and interesting, there a few big players in the Fedi, and for the most part, we all try and get along.
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Pi is listed to 90 decimal points, taped to wall across from bed. I recite it over and over when going to sleep. =)
I agree, 100%. I never posted on other social media platforms until trying Lemmy, Mastodon, or Firefish. I find the fediverse is a really pleasant experience as long as the instance moderates can keep up with the spam, trolls, and other unwanted content. I think it’s because it’s not trying to commercialize the platforms that makes it more interesting and pleasant, at least for me.
I, for one, try real hard. But thanks!
I actually don’t try very hard, probably coasting on your efforts. So thanks for that!
I don’t try at all, I’ve just been drafting you
Whoever’s drafting you isn’t even going to reply, which is so them.
I confused. What does drafting you mean? I’m guessing you aren’t conscripting me into your team or Army…
In this case it’s referring to aerodynamic drafting, which is often used in various forms of racing. You let the person ahead of you fight the air resistance while following them closely behind so that you experience less drag.
It takes three to Tango
Well I, for one, welcome our trier overlords
When I parted ways with reddit, when the API scandal happened, it was very timely. A lot of content from reddit was toxic for me. All the negative news, about environment, about how people are treated at their job, about how shitty companies are nowadays. Not to mention the rampant cynicism…
I left all that behind, and it really helped me get the high ground (hey Anakin) against my mental health problems. I was dangerously flirting with a burnout. This break was very beneficial.
When I saw that Sync for lemmy was available, I tried it. The facts that there are much less trolls here, much less cynicism (and also the fact that I’m now medicated) really help, and I feel now I can be among communities that aren’t too toxic for me.
Thanks lemmy friends.
Glad you’re here friend, and glad you’re doing better!
Dammit Reddit was so fucking unhealthy.
The thing is… I was using reddit as a coping mechanism. I didn’t want to feel what I was feeling so I would numb my mind with nonsense content on reddit. At one point, it became more harmful than numbing.
Because I’m still here after the movie promotion for some inexplicable reason?
And you agent is probably like, “wtf is a lemming?”
That’s why what they don’t know won’t hurt them, doctor.
Just like my totally real prescriptions.
You dick, that username is amazing. Fuck!
Not gonna lie, this is like my favorite comment, like in anything, ever!
Appreciate it, bud!
Its also funny cuz its like a rodent of some kind but it sounds like something Charlie Kelly would specialize in a certain area of law dedicated to
It does feel more like the old alien place before it became mainstream. I’d bet there are a lot of those old users that felt disenfranchised by the low quality bot voted stuff that moved to the various servers here.
Unlike places like Tildes which essentially has been trying to recreate the alien experience, lemmy provides a new layer as well with the fediverse.
Tildes is nice in a different way, scratches a bit different of an itch. They alrigh
Lemmy is actually terrible software, but the people are mostly Reddit migrants so we’re not all idiots thankfully
Genuinely asking and know very little about it… why is Lemmy terrible software?
The laundry list of problems and faults it has would take me literal days to type out.
How about 2 quick ones?
Voting and mod tools, to start.
You hear the mods talking about how there are no efficient moderation tools and hoo boy are they not just whistling Dixie. It’s difficult to even ban someone.
Voting is so broken because of federation as to be meaningless, or at least it should be meaningless but to everyone else it isn’t. So they walk right into another emotional meat grinder, thinking they’re being upvoted or downvoted legitimately without thinking whoever they’re talking to could just be voting against them with their alts. Users have about 3 to 5 on average, at least from my count of others I’ve encountered so far. There’s nothing stopping someone from building botnets and rigging votes of important issues, misleading the users and enabling the most horrific shit imaginable. Imagine someone using a botnet to upvote gore or CP on servers they don’t like. Lemmy.world already had to deal with a similar attack.
Lemmy as a platform just plain sucks.
Yeah yeah, we hear you reddit spy
Noo YOU’RE awesome. Hugs for everyone!
Geh on mai belleh!
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You get me way excited, and not in a sexual way ;)
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Don’t bury the lede like that, bro
fuck yeah keep it up
Doot, doot
