Paris and Janeway, as lizards, doing the space sex, because they went too fast.
I actually thought this was the best episode. Not enough lizard sex scenes in star trek.
This was definitely going to be my answer too
Probably the DS9 episode where they give Quark a sex change operation and the Ferenghi liquidator tries to rape him.
They should delete that episode, there’s no value in watching it.
I had completely wiped that from my memory…thanks…I guess…
I find it quite funny in places in an old school farce kind of way. Like a Carry on Film in the Trek universe. Move Along Home can get deleted before Profit and Lace any day.
Neelix and Kes when Kes is essentially in heat. That episode was so gross
Right, Kes is like 4 years old then
More like 2, actually. 4 would have been the normal time for her race, but some electrical storm nonsense kicked it off early for her temporarily.
I dont think that episode is that weird overall. They wanted to address the reproductive cycle of a very short lived race and also have a “what does it mean to be a parent” moral lesson.
“Hold hands with me to breed” is some pretty mild sex talk honestly, especially for the “go fast and have lizard sex” writers.
They seriously didn’t think it through, though.
Apparently Ocampa females go into heat exactly once in their lives, and have a typical litter size of one? Each generation should be less than half the size of the one before it.
All Kess and/or Neelix episodes belong on that list. Can’t stand either character, although Kess is still way worse than Neelix
The hardest thing for me to come to terms with is that, while I hated Neelix while watching the show, I think if I’d actually been on Voyager, I would have really liked him. He’s super friendly, and just wants to help, and makes all these crazy foods that would be fun to try. (Kess stuff not withstanding)
He also gets progressively better through the show, just never near favorite territory
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I’m going to say any space battle scene made since 2009.
From TOS up through Enterprise, you could follow the space battles. “This ship went this way and fired phasers but it only hit the ship’s shields, then they fired back…” Camera movements were smooth and comfortable, you could see and tell what is going on.
J. J. Abrams shows up and all of a sudden we’ve got panicky Saving Private Ryan cam and there’s just nine layers of beam spam on the screen. Everyone is machine gunning everyone from every which way. It’s got George Lucas syndrome. “Put more special effect bullshit on the screen. More. MORE. MOOOOOREEEEE!”
I think this was beaten by that battle at the end of Discovery series 2 with the most over the top CG dog dogfight with far too many ships I’ve ever seen. It’s not like Trek can’t do big scale battles, DS9 proved that, but this was just a a mess.
Star Trek 2009 ended the franchise for me. At the end of Trek '09, I thought to myself Welp, it’s been a good run, but they’re making Hollywood budget fanfics now. The actual show is done.
09 was alright, Into Darkness was the low point for me, I think the first two series of Picard were down there with it, but in the last few years they’ve really pulled their socks up.
I would agree, '09 was alright. I enjoyed it. It is a fanfic. 'I’m gonna do MY thing with these characters." I haven’t seen any Trek made since, official first-party fanfics signal to me the end of a franchise. My understanding of the franchise since has been:
- Into Darkness: Attempt to redo Wrath of Kahn because Nemesis worked so well.
- A third Chris Pine TOS era movie: I think they made one?
- Discovery: What if Star Trek, but the crew are all immature adolescents who don’t deal with a single goddamn thing like mature adults?
- Below Decks: What if Star Trek, but it’s Rick and Morty?
- Picard: What if geriatrics?
Have I missed anything?
Discovery started really poorly, but after they abandoned the prequel idea and went to the far future in S3 it picked up but will never be great due to some fundamental choices in the writing and tone.
Lower Decks betrays how good Star Trek it actually is with it’s style. Yes it has humour, but it has heart rather than Rick and Mortys endless nihilism. It’s commitment to canon and Trek ethos is top notch.
Picard was two awful series, followed by an amazing one that felt like a fifth TNG film and capped off those characters and hanging threads from that era nicely.
Strange New Worlds has just been great from the start, Episodic Trek as it should be with a much more likable cast than Discovery and the bravery to push the boat out a bit creatively.
Prodigy, a solid gateway series for younger people to get into the franchise but not so watered down you can’t enjoy it as an adult. It’s like Star Wars Clone Wars or Rebels series in that way.
So yeah, I’m fairly happy with where the franchise is now as an old school fan, but there were some dark years there.
A third Chris Pine TOS era movie: I think they made one?
My favourite of the trilogy. Which is to say, I didn’t turn it off.
Star Trek: Picard, when the Borg wake up and the Romulans just vacuum them out. In that moment the Cube should have automatically teleported them back inside. If the teleporters were down for some reason, the remaining Drones would just happily continue working in hard vacuum and proceed to assimilate the shit out of the Romulans. What happened was an uncalled for nerf of the Borg.
ST: Picard wasn’t good at all. Especially the last season. It felt like a badly written fanfic. Great cast but terrible writing overall.
Both those first two series horribly mishandled the Borg to the point the third had to hang a lantern on it in dialogue and call it nonsense and do their own plot that actually capped off what was happening in TNG/Voyager.
Anything involving time travel. It’s the sci-fi equivilent of jumping the shark. There needs to be a viewer warning at the beginning of such episodes stating:
Warning! Our writers are currently out of good ideas. So, we threw this lazy shit together, which is going to be completely unsatisfying and will leave you with a vague feeling that the show should just end and let the writers move on to something new. Viewer discretion is advised.
As an added warning, any episode which involves going back to the real present day should end the above warning with 20 minutes of Bobcat Goldwaith screaming.
The DS9 episode where it’s set in 1970’s Manhatten is the rare exception, because it tells a very good story about racism but it’s not “time travel” per se because there’s no temporal mechanics impact.
I really liked that episode.
Voyager laughs its ass off as it goes to present day LA to shoot a 2 parter minutes from the studio itself.
No way is it present day, it was like the 90’s and there were no homeless lol
It was shot in their present day in 96’ and the first episode prominently featured a 29th century homeless man.
I thought the two time travel episodes in the latest SNW series, Tomorrow & Tomorrow & Tomorrow and Those Old Scientists handled it really well. They finally dealt with the sliding timeline issue for events that were supposed to be in the 90s during TOS.
I liked the strange new worlds time travel episode. It was tongue in cheek and a real fun episode with some character building.
What??? DS9 did time travel incredibly well. You know this month is the year of the Riots? August 2023!
DS9. The Dominion is about to come through the wormhole with hundreds or thousands of ships and the prophets are like “omg Sisco you can’t have a fucking war here, man, we need you later on” and Sisco was “fuck you, I do whatever I want, do your magic, I don’t care, it’s man’s business” so Sisco wont retreat.
and then what happened?
The whole fucking Dominion fleet just disappeared, poof! like Sisco used some kind of cheat code.
fuck that.
anyway, it’s not the scene itself that was bad, but man. that was so freaking cheap I think the whole show changed in me a little bit after that. still amazing series, tho
One of DS9s driving themes from the pilot was deconstructing the almost militant atheism of TNG, exploring the nature of faith and how far people will go for it. A mortal man refusing the divine plan and choosing free will despite it meaning his own death and forcing them to save the Alpha Quadrant via Deus Ex Machina is totally in keeping with that theme.
really good point
In Star Trek Online the fleet shows up years later and attack the station. They weren’t destroyed just relocated in time (no pun intended).
The prophets were legitly just as assholish as Q, but with less understanding of reality.
No wonder Bajorans worshipped them as gods.
I mean, all they had to do was use a previously established device - they had the minefield in place that was preventing the fleet from comming through. Could’ve involved the wormhole aliens in that so that it doesn’t get destroyed when they think it has. Everything would’ve been the same, with Sisko unknowingly going into a minefield and the aliens trying to dissuade him from killing himself in a pointless fight
As characters I hate all Crushers and episodes dedicated for them.
…but there are episodes worse than those.
“shut up Wesley” will always make me laugh
didnt Weaton get that so much in real life that he had a social media fit or something?
Someone made a tng Lego set where Wesley was crying, wil wheton got quite upset because Wesley never actually cried in the show and proceeded to cry about it a lot on the internet
I’m okay with the Beverly episode where she’s trapped in a bubble and at first people start disappearing and then the universe collapses in on her. That was okay.
Yea. I wached that a while back, when my wife asked after Picard season 2 “wtf is Wheaton (Wesley) now supposed to be?”
I admit, not a bad episode.
As much as we all hate Wesley, Elnor in Picard made him look like Shaft.
Seasons 1 & 2 of that show don’t exist for me. Elnor who?
When Spock fails to get laid because he’s a half-breed.
Tasha Yar dies due to the Exxon Valdez.
The scene where Riker slops some eggs on a hot plate and Pulaski swoons over his technique.
In a galaxy with replicators, who would actually still know how to cook eggs (other than Sisko’s dad)?
That feels kind of like saying “in a galaxy with holodecks, who would still know how to paint?” Cooking is a skill and an art, and I’m sure there are plenty of people who do it casually in the future for the enjoyment of creating something with their own hands.
You’re right, I was being a little flippant.
Still, it would certainly be far more niche. While being able to ride a horse was an essential life skill a little over a hundred years ago, you might get an impressed reaction if you were to tell someone that you ride these days.
In the movies I would say when Worf went into Klingon puberty in Star Trek: Insurrection and got a giant pimple in his face that everybody was making fun of.
As far as I’m concerned, that award was recently won rapping, dancing Klingons in S02E08 of Strange New Worlds. That was just an abomination.
The fact that it followed what I think is one of the best episodes in all of Star Trek made it all the more horrendous.
That scene was genius, the fact that you spend the whole episode thinking they’ll turn up and sing opera then realise they’re dishonoured because they’re being forced to sing human pop music was hilarious.
People often say the Evil Spock episode was memorable, but why? I always thought it was so tropey. It just doesn’t strike me as thought-provoking if you can sum up something with “a parallel universe decided to release an evil version of me with an evil beard and nobody else to come from a parallel universe and frame me aboard my ship”. That would be more in line with Futurama, and ironically they handled the concept better.
The Voyager episode Retrospect where Seven was, in her words, violated.
