A majority of Canadians want the country to accept fewer immigrants and temporary residents next year, according to a new Nanos Research survey commissioned by CTV News, as the country continues to grapple with immigration levels and their impact on housing, services and the economy.
The survey found that 52.3 per cent of respondents believe Canada should accept fewer immigrants and temporary residents in 2027, compared with 33.5 per cent who want the numbers to remain about the same.
The problem isn’t immigrants. It’s the god damned businesses and the govt.
“InDiAnS took my TiMmY jOb”
Oh the Indian family that bought the franchise? You go buy one then. Oh wait you drive a lifted 90k truck but can’t afford to invest in your own business and can’t find a job? Sounds like someone needs a financial literacy class.
Basically this. I live in a rural community in SW Ontario and the locals here hate anyone from elsewhere but especially the South Asian community so my vote is that a lot of this is fueled by racism.
The lifted truck epidemic is truly out of control, I will never understand it. Are people really this insecure?
Lifted truck small PP voter energy is clearly in the room with us and they are mad about the Timmy job they never had. Tiny PP will bring it home for them 🤡💩
A lifted truck is still cheaper than investing in your own franchise. I looked into it because the current job market is a joke. And I can’t even drive a lifted truck so that’d be wasting my money.
Yes, I have a job. I couldn’t afford a lifted truck even if I could drive one. That’s how I know I can’t afford to invest in a franchise.
Did someone take your Timmy job?
Nope, but they almost certainly took someone else’s. When my job goes it’s likely going to AI.
You can’t take something someone never had.
You saying people are never fired and replaced with someone will accept less?
Sure. New management means they can hire new people especially in a high employee turnover business like Timmy.
Most of the ppl complaining never had a job there to begin with. Can’t complain about losing what you never had.
Most of the people complaining probably know someone who did. Picture, if you will.
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Employer hires someone for cheaper. Doesn’t need to be an immigrant, but for the sake of what we’re discussing, assume it is.
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Employer gradually reduces the hours of a current employee for pick your reason. Likely current employee is part-time because they have few protections.
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Current employee’s hours reach 0.
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Current employee quits because well, they’re not getting hours.
That employee has successfully been replaced. Legally.
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??? The house prices, the loss of progress on wage, job loss illegal immigration, and now we have a new mafia in the country that likes to do political assassinations. It’s not immigration people are against its the by product of unregulated immigration that hurt people. Even Karl Marx thought unfettered immigration is a tool used by the elite.
You’ve been sold a fake bridge if you think all this is due to immigration alone, and not the end result of economic and political philosophies that Marx more famously wrote about.
I mean, c’mon, illegal immigration is not at all a significant problem in Canada. That’s borrowed Republican rhetoric from the US.
Implying that illegal immigration is indeed a significant problem in USA?
Cuz I assure you, leftists and commies there still argue that illegal immigration is not at all a significant problem in USA.
Marx and Engles famously wrote a whole bunch of eurocentric and bigoted nonsense. Who takes those racist idiots seriously in 2026 other than confused commies?
You’re not about to convince the majority that Trudeau era policy is not mass migration and is overall good for the average citizens.
You’re not about to convince the majority that Trudeau era policy is not mass migration
You sound like a clown.
You still under the illusion that the majority in this country cares about pro-maximum-immigration crowd’s opinion at this point?
People want their lives to improve, immigrants improve their lives, this is a narrative that always appeals to people if you openly point out and reject the underlying racism and xenophobia of people like you who are trying to divide people with their snowflake feelings of anxiety about people that look different than them and fairy tale anecdotal stories they clutch on to as signs the sky is falling because of “new and scary” people.
That’s a lot of big assumptions for a tiny lil squirrel brain…
I’m glad that the majority doesn’t care about the opinions of idiotic elitist morons who think any conversation that isn’t 100% pro mass migration and sympathetic to illegal immigration is automatically"racism" and “xenophobia”.
“by product of unregulated immigration” citation needed
The framing of these kinds of questions is questionable. Ask people if they would want more doctors, nurses, teachers, trades people, scientists, etc and see what you get. The word “immigrant” is opaque and evocative of the shameful Temporary Foreign Worker program.
Canada will always need immigrants and we should maintain our openness to immigration and multicultural culture as a central national identity markers that distinguish us from the US.
What we need is to reform our immigration system and abolish the TFW program. This along with a Green New Deal to expand public housing, walkable cities, and get folks working in the care sector. The problem for the citizens of Mouseland has never been foreign mice. It’s always been domestic cats.
multicultural culture as a central national identity markers that distinguish us from the US
That is more of a US thing. We’re just a bunch of British and French people sitting on someone else’s land.
The Americans go crazy about bringing in immigrants for the American dream and take pride in being a melting pot.
I agree with the rest but immigration won’t distinguish us from the yanks.
Without immigration, we yanks will leave you in the dust. You need immigrants to build the future, they are a necessary part of vibrant cultures and economies.
Multiculturalism (a mosaic, as opposed to the melting pot) is literally in the Charter.
How does that dispute anything I said?
You responded to a phrase I wrote about multiculturalism by saying that’s more of a US thing. I pointed out to you that multiculturalism is our own thing, and it’s defined differently from the US.
Considering Ontario in particular has been underfunding the training of new medical professionals, I’d advocate for that over bringing in a doctor from a country who’s education standards don’t align. We don’t need more Uber drivers.
That’s not a real dilemma. Both increased funding and faster recognition of credentials. And I’m not talking about doctors only. And there is no reason to believe our doctors are “better”.
Ah, but that’s where you’re incorrect. If it’s still culturally appropriate to fat shame someone for a legitimate medical issue, then doctors who do that are de facto not better than the doctors we have here. And I’ve had to report a doctor from Iraq on someone else’s behalf who’s been practicing here since 2024 for exactly that reason.
Are we talking politics or personal anecdotes?
We’re talking immigration.
At the level of policymaking of at the level of venting about personal anecdotes?
At the level of having a conversation. Would you like to contribute to that conversation?
What does a shitty person have to do with credentials though? Seems like a racial generalization of “culture” hidden behind dog whistles rather than credentials. No?
Perhaps that’s not being a shitty person where she comes from. I don’t know. I don’t live there.
There is a big mix of reasons that is easy to understand.
- Racism, of course.
- Still a housing crisis going on. The recent downturn in prices only reflects interest rates, not availability and affordability. We’ve never tied immigration to housing completion rates, so without anywhere new to put new people, the housing crisis gets worse. We got a bit of a wheezy cough of relief with the fraudulent student loophole being closed.
- They hinted that millenials and genx were relatively more for lower immigration while older genx and boomers were less so. The most likely reason is people out of the workforce don’t have to worry about competition for jobs, and the older groups are more likely to need immigrants for medical nursing and geriatric services as there is an accute shortage.
This poll doesn’t bother looking at any of this. CTV is largely a conservative voice (used to be liberal) and they want to group them together to legitimize conservative positions which are based on racism.
If racism was a significant driver of this, I don’t think people would have shiften in opinion so much, especially in correlation with the economic conditions. Racism tends to be stable and change over longer periods. I think it’s mostly 2 and 3.
Hate for south Asians in particular is very much on the rise. Go on literally any mainstream app and find a video featuring canada you’ll find awful racist comments under the video. A lot of those are bots, but the point of those bots are to turn people with neutral opinions on indians into negative opinions. Those who are not careful with their algorithms get pushed channels that exclusively push any antisocial news about immigrants exclusively. Right now if you lurk in conservative spaces you’ll see a common narrative that people aren’t wearing poppies anymore because immigrants don’t understand and the government is going to replace rememberance day with Diwali. Ignore that properganda at your peril, its clearly organized and it’s going to have some effect.
My wife used to get hate because she was Muslim, now she gets hate because she is Indian looking. It’s obviously and decidedly worse than it was 10 years ago, especially in the workplace unfortunately.
In view of the questionable moral grounds on which Canada has fought in wars after WWII, replacing Rememberance Day with Diwali doesn’t sound like the worst idea. 🤭
Okay except immigrants have been serving as a very convenient scapegoat for decades of policy failure around housing, especially in the last few years. So… media coverage linking immigration to the housing crisis could absolutely explain wider shifts in opinion than you might otherwise expect, yes?
Obviously the most convenient scapegoat and that can absolitely explain the shift, but this scapegoating is based on an economic argument the media’s making, not racism. The distinction is important because it also gives us the solution if it’s mosty an economic issue - fix the economic problem and the attitudes would shift back.
It’s never simple and straightforward. People have a mix of 1, 2 and 3 in varying amounts. Those who are mostly 1 didn’t change over time. This poling doesn’t distinguish them from the other groups who do. It is the 2 and 3 that account for the changes.
The problem is that until very recently, if you questioned Canada’s immigration policy you were called racist. You don’t hear as much of that now because the people who used to call those people racist agree.
But a LOT of it is racism. It’s how and why someone questions immigration policy that gets called out.
Racism is a factor but conversations on this topic used to be immediately shut down as racism by default all the time. Not the case as often now.
Precisely.
Person: “We should slow down our immigration rate.”
Someone else: “Don’t be racist.”
That’s the conversation, more or less, for most of Trudeau’s time in office. Now that Carney’s starting to do that, it’s not.
The idea that immigration should be slowed down IS racist, Canada is a MASSIVE country, immigration is not the problem it is the solution.
I’m kinda new here so I can’t comment on thread locks and overzealous modding. But legitimate arguments should be discussed. Its the bad faith actors, and conservative and Russian trolls who latch on to any real argument to shoehorn in their hate and disinformation. Look at how well it worked in Brexit.
nah, poor experimental design. maybe pass into research methods first and try again.
Shut down diploma mills and review the student visa pipeline as well.
Painting conservatives that question immigration policy as racists is absurd, but incredibly common on lemmy due to lemmy’s left-wing bias. There can be no open discussion / dialogue on this topic, especially not on left-leaning sites that sometimes interpret discussing immigration policy with hate speech, and subsequently ban/censor people.
The survey in this context, mostly highlights how abnormal lemmy’s bubble is.
Painting conservatives that question immigration policy as racists is absurd
Why? They are racists specifically racists who got played, they are conservatives who don’t want immigrants because rich people convinced them immigrants are what is suffocating them not neoliberalism.
What race is an immigrant?
Whatever one that scares you or you believe “just doesn’t seem to want integrate into the rest of society”.
That’d be closer to something like xenophobia. Xenophobia doesn’t carry the same overtly negative connotations as racism though, for obvious reasons (I think).
So why does the left frame it as racism, when its not race dependent?
So why does the left frame it as racism, when its not race dependent?
Because race is a conservative construct imposed upon a reality that does not conform to its narratives and thus leftists understand xenophobia as inherently connected to racism, both are products of the same rejection of universal shared traits and quirks to humanity that outweigh the details of where and how someone got somewhere or how their family did. To put it another way we are all too different as individuals to lump into categories of “race”, the differences and similarities between us are far too vibrant to describe groups of humans that way.
The concept of “black” was constructed, racism against black people in the US created the category as a differentiator, but never did it actually have a clearly definable line that could be traced according to an internal logic along skin tone, along heritage along anything… it was always an abstract concept skewered into reality by hateful beliefs that contradicts itself constantly.
This is why xenophobia and racism are so closely linked.
Sorry, to me that just sounds like reaching for explanations. The far simpler explanation is likely more accurate, which is that it’s easier to mobilize resentment / drive wedges between people, if you label all conservatives, and any conservative position, as racist.
It’s the same tactic used by right wingers, when they label any socially progressive approach/statement, as communism. People generally understand communism is bad. So if you can associate ideas with communism, you can get people thinking those ideas are bad, without weighing the merits of the actual argument/idea. Similarly, if you can associate an idea with racism, you can get people thinking those ideas are bad, without weight the merits of the actual argument/ideas.
It’s prejudice, in either case.
if you label all conservatives, and any conservative position, as racist.
I didn’t do that though, conservatives label themselves as racists constantly and explicitly, the difference with people like me and centrists is I believe y’all when you tell me who you really are.
You know where else I heard this complaint?
Reddit.
You know who else Conservatives say is a left-leaning platform?
Reddit.
I think it’s conservatism.
Also, just for the record, it is possible to discuss immigration and not be racist. You should try doing that.
The problem is that it seems too many people see “immigrant” in a line of text and translate it to “people of colour” and therefore translate it to “racism”.
Xenophobia and Racism differ, but not in any vital sense. It is still racist bigotry in the end.
Well, when folks blame immigrants for taking the jobs the youth should be doing, they’re not talking about the ones from Europe.
Plenty of people are also against immigration that aren’t the ones complaining about them taking jobs.
And those are probably not the ones being accused of being racist by reasonable people.
I still see it, even if it’s not about jobs.
I said reasonable people. If your comment is discussing immigration policy and can be read as discussing immigration policy, then it’s not racist. I haven’t read any of your comments that may have set someone off, so that’s all I’ve got.
Are you implying I’m being racist already, by saying I should try discussing it without being racist? Was my previous post, highlighting how dissenting comments towards immigration policies gets typecast as racist… somehow racist? Dafuq?
Lemmy brands any conservative-sounding comment as racist on the subject. You can see that sort of trend even in this thread, where there are some people saying ‘conservatives are racist’ as a preface to trying to say they agree with lowered immigration levels. It’s like they need to pre-emptively defend their opinions against being called a racist, just to discuss the non-lemmy default position, which is absolutely batshit insane, considering that the study your post linked to shows that it’s the most common / average opinion amongst Canadians.
Are you implying I’m being racist already, by saying I should try discussing it without being racist?
No, because you haven’t been banned for being racist - at least on this account. If you have an alt you were banned for racism on, however, then yes.
lol tell me you didn’t click the link without telling me you didn’t click the link.
52% of Canadians want less, and that number is static. But the number of people who were unsure but now want more or the same have increased.
All this highlights is that most people from lemmy are part of the 44% of Canadians who want the same or more immigration.
I don’t know where you’re getting this conservative angle. Well I do but I’m not gonna bother.
Yes, the majority “at large” wants less. Lemmy vehemently supports more, and declares people who support the majority position as racists, and will often ban/censor such commentary. The “average”/“majority” opinion is type cast as ‘racist’ on lemmy.
That’s… the point I was making. Not sure where the disconnect is, or why you think I didn’t read the material.
I’d like to see a source that says Lemmy matches the 44%. I’ve heard people say the same thing about Reddit and there were no sources for that either.
How about you cite your sources instead of bludgeoning people with personal anecdotes like you have on this thread?
