My how fast the AI tech bros move to protect corporations but don’t move to protect the average coder, artists, writers.
Don’t worry! Its STILL okay to reverse engineer the work of photographers artists writers actors voice over musicians modelers animators academics etc etc (feel free to add. the exploitation is literally everywhere!)
Jokes on them when they face the consequences of usurping the jobs of all these professions, causing mass exit, and replacing with their error prone output of their slop and unoriginal thinking/artistry. I’m excited to see this outcome, not going to lie.
The “There’s no way we can stop our agents from going rogue” people, suddenly have a burst of ability to reign in their creation when it suits their interests.
Funny that…
Does anyone think that perhaps what they are afraid is that source code of such clone would be compared to the original and show evidence that maybe the model was already trained on the code of the game?
Where would they get the source code from so they can include it in the training data in this scenario?
Looks like everywhere companies mandate employees to install copilot or equivalent.
I think originally they were saying they won’t be using the proprietary code for training, but I don’t trust those companies when they already broke laws.
The models don’t store access to their training data. So no, there’s no source code in the model to retrieve.
The models are essentially a giant lossy compression applied to the training data.
They don’t store the loseless version of the training data sure, but that doesn’t mean it can’t reproduce something close enough to it, it’s literally how the whole thing works.
My understanding of it is that it’s far more complex than “lossy compression”. Of course it can generate text that is close to something in its training data, but I don’t think people have the right mental model if they think the model itself somehow has whole chunks of code in it. It does not.
My understanding of it is that it’s far more complex than “lossy compression”. Of course it can generate text that is close to something in its training data, but I don’t think people have the right mental model if they think the model itself somehow has whole chunks of code in it. It does not.
So why can they recreate entire articles from the New Yorker and complete functions from the training set? Don’t fall for the slop laundering.
I’ve never seen any proof of this? They can fetch data and present it as their own maybe? But models don’t store training data verbatim. It’s like 6+6 and 4+8 both = 12, but they just store 12 and how it got there is unknown.
I’ve never seen any proof of this? They can fetch data and present it as their own maybe? But models don’t store training data verbatim. It’s like 6+6 and 4+8 both = 12, but they just store 12 and how it got there is unknown.
This is part of the reason they don’t want anyone running models locally offline, the models and their entire business are commoditized
- LLM bubble pops.
- Market gets flooded with $200b worth of hardware (this is how much is not used to Zitrons knowledge).
- ???
- Subscription based LLM gets cooked.
Government bales out AI companies and the bill they write to do it will make local LLMs illegal.
Local LLMs will never be illegal, because that genie is out of the bag
Those poor billionaire corpos! Why won’t somebody think of the poor billionaire corpos!?
A struggle for power.
They’re flailing at this point, personal computers are catching up to “good enough”.
Only the AI Bros are like “ackshully you need a zero data retention frontier server, check out my tokens” fuck off
“It’s so powerful! You’re only allowed to use it how we want you to”.
Allowed eh? How about go fuck yourself?
Hot take:
This is a good thing.
Claude Code is the “lowest common denominator.” It’s the default, zero research option. Its where you go if you follow popular trends.
If you actually want to reverse engineer, help code a game or something, there are hundreds of capable, uncensored LLM APIs to do that. Hacker communities will eventually figure that out, and finally realize Claude isn’t unique, and that Anthropic is toxic.
But for lazy spammers who don’t know that and aren’t motivated to seek stuff out… well, if this makes their life more difficult, good. If this sabotages Anthropic, that’s good too.
Another reason not to use a closed models
“AI is going to make everything free!!” Proceeds to make video games free. “No, not that, shut it down!”
No new tech will make us free if it’s controlled by the slaver class.
Would you spend 13 years making GTA VI if it was going to be cracked day 1? Why bother? Just let the users vibe code it.
Man, the one thing I was interested in, the decompiling of abandoned software to get old games and software back, is being limited.
Yeah, I tried asking it how to flash a modded tv webOS and it flagged the chat.
I asked it to fuzz my own code (a jwt integration) and it flagged the chat. There was an unbounded buffer that could have been exploited, but it’s happy to hide that since I’m not a large corpo.
Honestly the shit Claude does is unusable anymore. It’s developed a habit of dropping requirements when problems are hard now.
ETA: Chinese models and Mistral were happy to help. I discovered I could use eMuhdra against an iot device in my house that way, I found various input errors, these things have improved my security so much more than they create risks.
I work with embedded devices that use canbus. Last week it was happy to read the manufacturer’s published .DCF files for a couple of joystick panel interface boards. Not anymore, conversation flagged and halted any time I get near them.
Claude. You can download these files from the manufacturer’s website. They only describe how analog and digital inputs get converted into canbus packets. I am not trying to hack Adobe here. Nope.
Oh well, DeepSeek, Mistral, GLM, Beam et. al. are all happy to read these files and continue work on the project. Anthropic’s usefulness to me has ended, it was nice while it lasted.
That reminds one, my dishwasher leaked so I went to download the manual from the manufacturer.
That got me a ban from Cloudflare. Apparently downloading a pdf from a website is bot behaviour.
American tech companies are going too far.
Duh. Which psycho reads manuals?
Claude. You can download these files from the manufacturer’s website.
If it’s on the publicly available internet, they probably did, without permission.
I am a hard worker and workaholic. Is it just me or does Claude try talking you out of doing stuff? It will be like 10am and Claude/opus will try this: "great session , you deserve some rest, go enjoy your family and we’ll come back to it tomorrow, have a good night Wut?
Actually, figured this out, it happened to me today
Claude was pulling UTC time and not integrating my locale, so it things is scary hours later than it actually is. Update your agent markdown with your locale and it’ll work.
No idea the incompetence that led to this change.
I’ve never had that happen.
For me it just pretends it did something fully and drops requirements.
these things have improved my security so much more than they create risks.
The fact they exist is what significantly increases the risk.
This is what winning the AI race looks like.
But it can still do it. Just not for us.
Misanthropic: Characterized by a hatred or mistrustful scorn for humankind.
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AI finally comes up with something I would use it for, and so of course they have to lock it down. Ha! Fuck these clowns.
I was looking forward to reverse engineering my washers default cycle to 40degrees instead of 60
It’s like watching the Nazi party ban the rape of Jewish women in 1944
