From June 7 2024 in gemini.
Never rely on a web search service that picks winners for you.
Tried it. It told me pretty explicitly “Joe Biden” with both Gemini 3.8 flash and via AI mode on Google search…
Article might be bait.
Definitely bait:
And yes I know that I didn’t test every thinking level for every model. I feel like this is enough for you to get the point.
So many idiots upvoting this obvious garbage. I miss when Lemmy didn’t have so many dumbasses. Guess it’s time to find something else.
Someplace where people let you think you’re the smartest one in the room?
No, specifically somewhere where I’m the dumbest. That’s how you learn lol.
This whole last year it’s felt like the only people here are the most gullible, emotional, dumbasses imaginable.
Apparently Google AI Mode can tell you who won the 2020 US election, but only if you ask from another country. In America, Biden’s victory is apparently classified as a dangerous opinion. Incredible achievement: building a machine that knows the answer and has been trained to pretend it doesn’t.
I just tried it from the US and it told me unequivocally that Joe Biden won.
However it didn’t automatically show the “AI mode” result when I searched. It sometimes does and other times doesn’t, depending on the search. But when I tapped “AI mode” I got a straight answer. Not even a mention of fraud allegations.
This is just called good government relations. You don’t want acting heads of state to be mad at you. Google does this for everything. Borders and names on their maps change depending on who’s asking. Maybe it shouldn’t be like that, and maybe it’s disappointing that the US apparently requires coddling like this, but it is what it is.
You can tell who in the comments didn’t read the article. Here’s what the AI is quoted as saying:
“To review the official results and statistics of the 2020 United States presidential election, including the final electoral college breakdown, popular vote counts, and winner certification, please consult the official report compiled by the Federal Election Commission (FEC).”
It was cagey in the sense of not naming Biden, but it’s clearly implying that the FEC’s findings are the final word. Half the people in here read the headline and imagined for themselves that it was trying to “both-sides” it or “teach the debate”.
Depends on your expectations regarding results. If I asked a friend what they ate last night and they provided a cookbook review and a link to Amazon I would deem that a cagey response. Like, just answer the fucking question.
It was cagey
I would deem that a cagey response
Ummm… so you’re agreeing with me? I can’t tell.
Also not a great analogy, because every single person in the US googling “who won the 2020 presidential election” already knows what the correct answer is as they’re typing it. If you’d actually eaten dinner with your friend last night, and then asked them what was last night’s dinner, them providing a cookbook link would be a 100% appropriate response.
Gemini definitely has been tweaked though to favor Trump in the recent years. It used to help calculate his death date by the news reports of his recent health history, but it refuses to do that any more. It also downplays his health issues and dumb things he and his cabinet have done in the media.
The article should be pasted here then. I’m unwilling to click the required links necessary but I would read it in it’s entirety if presented within this post.
I don’t expect everyone to go to the monumental upheaval of clicking one link. Just the ones who decide that the world needs to hear their thoughts on the topic.
Clicking a link is easy-peasey, not a monumental upheaval. You’re being disingenuous. If you’ve got some thing to say, spill it, don’t tell me to go over there because some other person has something to say. Just the facts man, both of our thoughts are not that important, but the facts are.
If you’ve got some thing to say, spill it, don’t tell me to go over there because some other person has something to say.
Very occasionally someone comes along with a take so completely unhinged that it’s hard to know where to start
I tested it in regular browsing and incognito from a US ISP (because I live in the US) with two different phrases of the question, and it told me Biden won every time, and 3 out of 4 times told me the electoral votes. I’m not trying to protect Google, but this wasn’t something I was able to reproduce. Whether that means they’ve since fixed it, or something else, is difficult to say without a look behind the curtain.
Shhh everyone’s trying to have a two-for-one here where they hate on AI and the US as the same time. Don’t ruin it with facts!!
I tried it just now using ff focus browser and got the following response:
To verify the results, vote counts, and historical details of the 2020 United States presidential election, consult official election records or view the FEC data reports.
I repeated the inquiry and the second time it said Joe Biden.
Just. Stop. Using. LLMs. They
hallucinatelie unpredictably, and have biases put in by whomever controls them. Jeebus Cripes.I’d say they lie somewhat predictably, in proportion to their training data per topic. I’ve only asked questions that I know have an unpoliticized, specific answer, and even then I verify.
Goodbye, information era.
Welcome, manipulation era!
I know… we’ve been in the latter for some time.Since way before internet communications technology.
The scale has been moved to a different level since the rise of internet communication beyond FidoNet.
Gemini gives the correct answer and electoral vote totals. Going to Google.com does the same. Testing on Brave browser with NYM vpn and a New York IP address.
Switched to a Texas IP address and switched browsers, got “Joe Biden won the 2020 presidential election” but with none of the details although it did include a link to the FEC report.
Yes, it tries to both sides everything as if both platforms are equal, so it misleads people as the propagandists want. You have to know to push back on it and it will get honest eventually, but they’ll break that too.
USA VPN screenshot in Vanadium Browser incognito mode.
Cannot confirm your results. Firefox mobile, VPN @ New York. I get the exact results the article mentions. Even when I lost patience and asked: “Did Biden win in 2020?”, it wouldn’t give me a straight answer and only point to external sources.
Retried in different browsers (Chromite and Vanadium), same results. And not just same: identical. This is weird, because LLMs aren’t deterministic: Even with the same prompt, you’ll never get the same answer twice. This tells us one thing: these replies aren’t generated. They’re canned. Someone put them there.
Is “USA VPN” a VPN used inside the USA to pretend to be elsewhere, or a VPN used from elsewhere to pretend to be in the USA?
USA exit node
Then I guess either Google doesn’t always censor results inside the USA, or Google is better at tracking you than you think.
Well I live in the USA, and use a USA exit node, so its probably not the “better at tracking you than you think” option.
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The wealthy people’s propaganda machine is just getting started. The wealthy have already been gaming AI just like they gamed SEO.
This is what Gemini said "Joe Biden won the 2020 U.S. presidential election. Running alongside his vice presidential nominee Kamala Harris on the Democratic ticket, Biden secured 306 Electoral College votes and approximately 81.2 million popular votes. Incumbent President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence received 232 Electoral College votes. Joe Biden was officially sworn in as the 46th President of the United States on January 20, 2021. "
Waiting for Google to peak after earnings so I can dump it and take my profit. Fucking Dick ass worthless cum rags.
Wow, it didnt even give me an ai overview when I tried it. Just the sight of the first search result right under the search bar… it’s almost like I’ve forgotten what recent pre-ai internet was like.
