I live in Taiwan right now and China-nese people are great. Its the CCP that is annoying.
Once every few weeks we would hear fighter jets scramble to meet these CCP pigs because they are constantly flying into it territory.
They have also invaded our politics with a faction in Taiwan openly wanting to sell out Taiwan for their own gains.
They are also brainwashing out kids too with TikTok.
Leave us alone. We just want to exist.
Americans living in America from .ml don’t believe your lived experience.
We locals are not scared tho. We are sorta numb to these kind of attacks. We are actively deporting anyone that suggests reunification through force. Just last week a China-nese student was mocking the president and posting how this person was for taking back the country by force. This person got deported this week.
I want to figure out which phrases will pop MAGAs like this.
So Biden won in 2020, righr?
“I support human rights.”
“I think the government should help people.”
“I like science. It is useful.”
“We should protect the environment.”
“People should have health care and education.”
Etc.
Then watch them foam at the mouth, Exorcist-style.
“Release the Epstein files!”
That’s as easy as shooting a fish in a barrel, friend.
“what’s your pronoun?”
“meat is murder”
“no one is illegal on stolen land”
… and other ad nauseam catch phrases that we all hear on a steady basis.
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Why mention Taiwan when you can hit him with Tiananmen Square?
They’ll just get auto blocked by the great firewall then lol
Or egg fried rice.
If you respect China, you’re a piece of shit. Taiwan deserves independence, Hong Kong does too, so does Tibet, and so does East Turkestan.
This is helping me filter people. These are true beliefs I hold and if you give me the “MUH TIBET HAD SLAVERY” thing, good job you bought into propeganda.
I eat ass.
You bought into the ass eating propaganda.
Taiwan is independent by every definition of the word. Taiwan deserves to be recognized as independent, which it is whether governments decide to or not.
I eat ass.
Clearly a gentle person and a scholar. A glass of wine with you!
(Though we each get our own glass. I don’t want sex diarrhea.)
sex diarrhea
Dibs on the band name!
If you respect China
China as a country, a people and a culture deserve respect. The current power structure doesn’t.
This, it’s important never to misdirect hate on what countries inherently give back to the world
Think that 15% of people who didn’t say everyone has equal rights are the gay people who want equal rights or literally any protections against discrimination.
Do you?
What? Think gay people should have equal rights, yeah.
Same!
Highly doubtful
That is a fascinating graph indeed. Ever wondered why official rape rates can be much higher in very progressive countries than in ultra-convservative countries where women have few rights, even if rape is illegal there? Hint: It is not because there are necessarily more rapes.
Lmao
No arguments, I see.
I’m waiting for an argument against my data.
Did you think your comment was worthy of rebuttal, lmfao?
Not to argue against the data, but rather its disingenuous presentation: “democracy” is fundamentally interpreted differently by respondents in those regions, which the graph obscures.
Used as such, it’s propaganda. The truth (data with context) is much more interesting.
So no argument, except for “your argument does not count because I say so”. Ok. .ml style.
It certainly highlights a level of self-denial.
Over a billion people all just so in denial.
No country is perfect and that graph is highlighting who’s allowed to say that about their own country.
You think? You don’t think it has anything to do with the historically unprecedented rise in standard of living?
That may explain some of the positive results, but I think my original comment is a more plausible explanation as to why one single country would be such an outlier in your graph.
Your point is that China is exceptionally nationalistic? Based on a subjective study. Nice hard facts there. What’s really awesome is that the source is partnered with Taiwan Foundation for Democracy. An organization explicitly aiming to distance Taiwan from China and strengthen it as a independent democratic government.
Info from 2003-2016 saying the population of China is extremely nationalistic… Again… what’s your point?
Keep thinking buddy, you’ll figure it out eventually.
What a good way to convey your point.
These are true beliefs I hold and if you give me the “MUH TIBET HAD SLAVERY” thing, good job you bought into propeganda.
I mean, so did almost literally everyone else to some degree, unless they went extinct as hunter-gatherers. If that’s your disqualifier, you need to go live with the penguins in Antarctica.
The argument isn’t that Tibet once had slavery at some point in it’s history, but that Tibet had slavery up until the PRC ended it. There are no states in the modern day that practice slavery or serfdom in a comparable way (you could argue things like “wage slavery,” but that’s still significantly different from chattel slavery or serfdom). Slave states do not have the right to exist, and any nation without slaves has the right to invade a slave state and free the slaves. That’s not an unreasonable standard, it’s a standard that exists today.
Tibet was still feudal at the time. Their liberation, arguably just forced modernization, involved losing regional, cultural, and socioeconomic self determination in an arrangement that very much resembles imperial or colonial exploitation and political suppression. Slavery of the entire polity to replace slavery of the poor, if you will.
Just another nation-state doing what statists do.
Yeah, and growing up I heard the exact same talking points about the Confederacy. How states should have the right to decide whether they want to be in a union or not, how ending slavery was the real slavery, how it was authoritarian for a central body to tell us who we couldn’t enslave, how Southern culture was lost by the North imposing it’s ways on us. Just another nation-state trying to control the little guy. I’ve heard it all before.
If there is some rationale that can actually justify bemoaning the lost cause of the Tibetan slaver theocrats, it’s probably for the best that I’m not clever enough to see it, because I’d have used it to justify the beliefs I was raised with and might not have ever become a leftist in the first place.
It’s completely absurd to speak of “self-determination,” especially “socioeconomic self-determination” regarding a literal slave theocracy. What, you mean the “self determination” of the theocrats? Because the serfs didn’t have self-determination to lose in the first place. Again, there’s no shortage of people in the South who would bemoan the “carpetbaggers” and the loss of Southern “socioeconomic self-determination” (though they might use different terms), completely glossing over the fact that slaves had zero socioeconomic self-determination under their system.
You are the one who’s adopting a statist perspective by treating the serfs and their lords as one entity with unified interests, when if you look at if from a class perspective, they had diametrically opposed interests, with the interests of the serfs being in line with the interests of the Chinese people and the revolutionaries. Which is why so many of them supported them (in spite of the slaver theocrats’ attempts at religious indoctrination).
Of course, another reason is their shared history. Tibet had been part of China for hundreds of years, which is why it’s still claimed as part of China by the ROC. During the brief period of chaos following the collapse of the Qing, it emerged alongside countless other warlord states that were opposed by both the nationalists and communists, as well as anyone with half a brain who could see that the division is exactly what allowed them to be invaded by the Japanese despite them being a much smaller foe. In fact, during WWII, the US military produced a film that states that point explicitly.
China would have been wrong to have not freed the Tibetan serfs. Perhaps that liberation was imperfect or incomplete, just as the liberation of slaves in the US was, but it was still a step in the right direction that massively improved the quality of life for the vast majority of Tibetans.
Well there are so many points of historical and political-economy analysis that fundamentally differentiate the medieval feudalism of the himalayan plateau societies from the colonial chattel slaver system of the early USA that it is too much to address here.
But let’s not pretend that Tibet was liberated from a cruel economy and then given a path to self determination and control over immigration. It was annexed and is being settled like other settler-states. If the remnants of all former empires laid claim to their former conquests the world would burn.
Most nation-states have slavery-by-another-name running inside their prison systems, including China. Fuck that weak excuse. Geopolitics and centralized power did this, not that heroic myth that is just a variant of manifest destiny. Slavers liberating slaves, pfft.
But let’s not pretend that Tibet was liberated from a cruel economy and then given a path to self determination and control over immigration. If the remnants of all former empires laid claim to their former conquests the world would burn.
Do the former Confederate states have control over immigration, or is that handled at the federal level? Do those states have “a path to self-determination,” including a path towards secession, or towards reinstituting slavery? No, they are, quite correctly, bound by federal laws and follow the same rules as everyone else. Should we treat the Union reestablishing control over the Confederacy as, “an empire laying claim to its former conquests?” They had been a part of the Union for a much shorter time than Tibet had been part of China.
Most nation-states have slavery-by-another-name running inside their prison systems, including China… Slavers liberating slaves, pfft.
Yes, and the Union had prisons too. This doesn’t change the fact that ending the formal institution of slavery was a major, important step that materially improved the lives of the freed slaves. You’re dismissing all progress unless it instantly creates a perfect utopia overnight. This was a big one I heard, “The Northerners were hypocrites because their factories had harsh conditions.”
So far, I have yet to hear an argument that passes the, “Can this be used to justify the CSA” test, and as the CSA was unjustified those arguments must be wrong. You say that the systems were different, and yes, that’s true. The question is whether they were different in any relevant way. They were both cruel systems of involuntary servitude.
All of your arguments are just justifying cruel, inhumane, oppressive, authoritarian systems, and twisting words around to present it as “anti-authoritarian.” My upbringing has innoculated me against that sort of thing.
I dunno. A lot of societies are getting away with severe bonded servitude on the premise it’s not as bad as the North-Atlantic slave trade.
Considering the US’ effort to keep slavery going with extra steps continuing to this day and getting worse, I’m eager to hold accountable every society that tries.
Point being, national sovereignty doesn’t outweigh wanton cruelty. It’s the same argument with the Confederacy, “States’ rights? States’ rights to what?” No state that employs that kind of system has the right to exist. The Union defeating the Confederacy and freeing the slaves, even if it wasn’t total liberation, was completely justified and made a marked improvement in countless people’s lives. Yes, there is still more to be done, but the world is a better place because slavery, as an institution, was ended by force.
any nation without slaves has the right to invade a slave state and free the slaves.
If you believe that’s objectively true then I suspect you need to ask yourself “why aren’t governments everywhere banding together to obliterate the actual slavery going on inside their borders?”
Those discord user account compromises and social media accounts asking for gift cards to avoid releasing your personal whatever aren’t legitimate businesses and the people performing those actions for them are not free to quit or even leave the buildimg they “work” in.
Okay, you could maybe argue that’s one-off tourist kidnapping by criminal parties at scale, but then we have blood diamonds. How is it they still exist?
Vegas hotels getting regular visits from cops as the drugs wear off early and the occasional girl escapes from the room she’s being held in, the fact that the superbowl is the world’s largest human trafficking conference, large portions of haiti under the current regime, slavery is EVERYWHERE and whoever is feeding you that line and placing the onus at a governmental policy level is trying to distract you from reality and hand-wave away anything that doesn’t line up with their own agenda.
The world banded rogether to eliminate CFC’s because of the ozone hole.
It’s clear we CAN all cooperate, so I posit you should be asking yourself: when reality doesn’t line up with the convenient point-proving “statements of fact” someone is pushing your direction, what does someone stand to gain from misrepresenting reality with quotable sound bytes?
(you could argue things like “wage slavery,” but that’s still significantly different from chattel slavery or serfdom)
Human trafficking is illegal everywhere. It still happens, but does so in the shadows. If a nation can just accuse another of not doing enough to combat human trafficking, that’s subjective by how much is “enough,” and the scope of it is hard to prove in an objective and indisputable way. Any nation could accuse any other nation and it would be a free pass whenever anyone wanted to go to war.
I’m talking about having an official stance of legalized chattel slavery or serfdom.
any nation without slaves has the right to invade a slave state and free the slaves.
This one doesn’t ring well. It is one thing if the oppressed people themselves asked for help, but otherwise its just an invasion. No nation has a ‘right’ to free slaves.
The PRC had considerable help from Tibetan serfs. I know that was true. The communists didn’t just all come from China.
What population of slaves in history has not welcomed their liberators? What population of slaves in history has been permitted to petition someone to come free them?
Wat
I want to visit west Taiwan one day, or as some people call it: “China”.
Southern Mongolia
East Japan
The rebel-occupied territories
Fuk you, Western pig
That doesn’t mean they’re from China. They might just be from lemmy.ml . 😏
Man, came here looking for them. Little disappointed.
You just didn’t wait long enough. One lemmy.ml user (emphasis on “ml”) posted in this thread just a few minutes ago.
Found him
Yeah
TAIWAN NUMBER ONE
“goteem”? What on Earth is that supposed to mean?
My old ass thinking about post numbers on 4chan
Gr8 B8 M8
8/8
How about with rice?
👌
That’s a meme I haven’t heard in long time…
Cre8 more, I can’t w8.
It’s getting l8, so I’ma go masturb8
I R8
I use this strategy on my dating profile as well to weed these people out 🤣
Maybe I’ll start asking the spam calls this
I don’t think any peasant worker in The Philippines has strong opinions either way.
Kashmere belongs to Pakistan?
Oink!!
Taiwan doesn’t even think Taiwan is a country?
1w old clanker account vibes.
Ah, I just saw it! You’re substituting a capital I for a lowercase l. Clever bot. Or ban evasion. Either way, not a great look.
EDIT: it’s i vs L, to make it more visible
There are a lot of young
.mlaccouns with no posts and just comments. Some with more comments than me I much less time.Nah I explained it in another comment, but I forgot the password and I’m not giving out my email for a recovery, lol.
Ah, that’s fine. Still, there’s no way for one to verify that your account isn’t 1.5w old. Not that it matters much.
The visually matching l and I did trigger the scam spider-sense in me though, I’d have probably not chosen a username like that, but it could be valid.
No worries
Weird, if I click your username, I see a 1.5w old account, but when I click your link, I see a 4mo old account.
What do you mean?
Taiwan calls itself the real China, lol.
They stopped that a couple years ago iirc
Oh yeah?
Where?
Over there
.world memes be like
There’s also the trope of Asian people being politically aligned with the country they (or their ancestors) came from and being eternally foreign.
.ml memes be like:
Uyghurs deserve to be genocided because terrorism.
Or
Ukraine are nazis and deserve to be genocided by Russia.
While somehow still saying democrats are the genociders.
Show us an example of someone saying anyone deserves to be genocided, then.
How can I when you’re all genocide denialists?
How about you show me a .ml member defend Ukrainians or Uyghurs?
No, no, I mean actual proof. Like quote it and link it. Go ahead, should be super easy if it’s so prevalent and literally every single one of us do it.
I think you might be having issues comprehending my last comment so I’ll leave you to it so you can work it out.
Uhh, no I totally understood it, you’re too cowardly, lazy, or stupid to back up your own statement, lol.
Show us an example of someone saying anyone deserves to be genocided, then.
It’s a very simple request, is English not your first language?
Yeah I’m pretty sure there’s still comprehension issues here on your end.
Show us an account that wasn’t made in the last month.
What do you mean?
Youre racist now
Impossible
I mean that the fake texts with intentionally bad spelling stereotyping Chinese people acting like a racist charicature is similar to the racial charicatures of the 1800s, was that unclear?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Taiwan
Get out of here.
The texts werent even a caricature. Your claims of racial stereotyping are absurd.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_recognition_of_Taiwan
Get out of here.
Did you read that article you’re linking to? Did you notice how many UN member states actually recognize the Republic of China (Taiwan) as a country? Eleven.
For comparison, a lot of people in the United States and Europe would confidently tell you that Palestine is definitely not a country, but it is actually recognized as one by 157 of the 193 members of the UN.
Thats why its a joke to us here in the states where the common sentiment is with the rebellious colony breaking away from its imperialist roots.
Id sooner block you than get in to a discussion about Palestine with you even knowing I agree Palestine should have statehood from the onset.
I’m not sure how that has anything to do with anything I said.
The texts werent even a character. Your claims of racial stereotyping are absurd.
Lmao. Yes, the Chinese scammer breaking character at the mention of Taiwan to say “Fuk you,” definitely not a charicature or stereotype and it’s totally absurd to suggest it.
What’s next? Just start making jokes like full on, “Me so horny, me love you long time?”
Do you acknowledge that Taiwan is an independent country?
What do you mean? Taiwan is independent for all intents and purposes, but is not, nor if I’m not mistaken does it claim to be, formally an independent country. I acknowledge that reality, yes.
Taiwan is an independent country.
Taiwan, officially the Republic of China (ROC) is a country in East Asia
The joke is expressedly about china not accepting taiwan as a country.
Fuk you, .ml pig. <— satire demonstrating anyone can be hateful in this way.
No, it’s not about “China” not accepting Taiwan as a country, because “China” does not typically engage in text messages, seeing as it’s not a person.
It’s about a stereotypical Chinese person acting and speaking in a way that the person who created the fake texts decided to make them. Which is, first trying to scam people, then being so triggered by the mention of Taiwan that they break character, then misspelling a word in a stereotypical way.
Taiwan is just how you justify the rest of it to yourself.
Not typically but it does sometimes…
You dont understand jokes and certainly arent as intelligent as you wish you were.
But they didn’t have texts in the 1800s and that’s a political cartoon used to support the Chinese exclusionary act. I think you may be confused. I take it you’re a fan of Taiwan and its sovereignty then?
But they didn’t have texts in the 1800s
Yes, this is what makes it a joke. Because the only difference is the format that’s changed, while the racial sensibilities are about the same.
Chinese exclusionary act not anti scamming propaganda.
Hey now, if you get to define your racist charicature in your own terms, don’t you think you should let them do so to? I’m sure the Workingmen’s Party of California would say that it’s just “anti-capitalist” propaganda, the capitalists being the ones who let those damn Chinese come in and take our jobs.
Of course, it’s bullshit in both cases.
I take it you’re a fan of Taiwan and its sovereignty then?
What does Taiwan have to do with anything?
Is English your first language?
Yes.
“charicature” isn’t a word. You’re looking for caricature and not only can you not spell it but you clearly don’t know what it means. You posted a racist caricature, I did not. Everything else you’ve said is also false. Me asking “what do you mean” is bait and I figured you’d say dumb enough shit to embarrass yourself/.ml. congratulations, ya dun it.
