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Reason: There’s a political memes community for stuff like thisAlso, all art is political. I dont know if memes are art, but they are the result of a creative process.
Politics isn’t just when you see something you disagree with or something that outright makes a clear political statement. A quick example: Will & Grace, old sitcom, very cute, nothing deep there. Bunch of people were mad about that one because some of the main characters are gay.
Yes, rothko is also politicalTo misquote an aristocraric rapist snitch belowed by liberals: “The opinion that memes should have nothing to do with politics is itself a political attitude” - George Orwell
Here’s the top meme from the comm
It depicts a man and a woman. They have been in a sexual relationship for a long while, yet the man still expresses attraction at the womans naked body, to her annoyance.
Apart from just depicting a heterosexual relationship (and this specific type of relationship) as normal and thus in turn helping normalise it, there are also many other things one could comment on. Gender roles - the man is the active person in this situation. Objectifying women. Other stuff.
“It’s not that deep” the reader will say or “that’s not what they intended!” or “thats not bad though!” and I will agree.
The normalisation of the type of relationship isn’t bad, but something does not have to be bad to be political. We normalise all sorts of things all the time.
And I am sure the author didnt think of these thing when they made the comic. But they are still present because the comic is a product of the author and the author is a product of their culture. The very fact that these things are not considered is due to the politics of the society of the author. Take that same comic strip and publish it in a different society or a different decade and it would be viewed differently.Next meme:
A picture of a drawing of a cat in the medium of snow on a public road. Someone used temporary materials created by the local climate to make public art on a municipal road. There is so much here that is political, I believe the description itself is more than enough to convey that.This was the first meme I saw on the comm:
A single mother commenting on her toddler wishing to help her because she has to do so much due to being a single mother. That is political.
Last one:
Basically just a written conversation. Two tumblr users comment on the form and function of the English language, expressing their frustration. Again, just by describing it I feel like the “politics” (you as a reader should understand that I am not describing the politics, but just some elements which are political. You might consider something else about it “political”.) are readily available by the description.My point is that almost everything in the public sphere is political in some way and will thus be perceived as political by some people. These memes are not overtly political, but that does not mean they are not political.
Gamergaters scream about “politics in video games” when the main character is queer, POC or female. They’re not technically incorrect in that those choices are political, they’re just incorrect in the statement that everything else isn’t. Same goes for the memes you see that annoy you due to politics. All the other memes are political as well - Probably. I dont know if memes are art, so there might be some that aren’t, but I dont have an example in mind.Edit: The downvoted on this comment are outright sad. If you consider the comment to be incorrect, then try to adress why, in order to actually further understanding.
it’s so obvious I’m not going to explain why I’m right.
Why is no one arguing with me??!!
I think you responded to the wrong comment? You paraphrasing does not seem to match up with anything I’ve written.
It’s pretty cringe seeing yanks still going on about how voting totally works and how they can still turn the country around through good old fashioned representative democracy. My dudes, wake up. If you can only choose between two options then there is no choice at all. Independents are just there to further the illusion that casting a vote matters. Even if the Dems held power for the next 20 years they still would not stop the border abuses, or create free healthcare, or lower education costs, or regulate the police or do anything to prevent or stop the genocide in Palestine. Look to Obama and Biden, sure they behaved better than Trump but Obama still bombed hospitals and Biden happily ripped apart families and kidnapped children at the border. Accept that you are an evil empire and only your destruction or collapse can lead to a better future, for all of us.
I’d like to politely point out here that there uhh usually isn’t just 2 options. That’s what primaries are
No matter what choices or actions are made your next king will be either a Democrat or a republican. You never had a choice, you will never have a choice, for as long as you accept this one.
I’d like to rudely point out that the last three primaries were either rigged or not held at all.
So you believe that non presidential elections don’t exist? And that midterms don’t?
Oh, sorry, I assumed you were talking about presidential stuff due to the context of the meme.
Yeah, sure. They also ratfuck leftists in the other ones. The party is incapable of change.The party is incapable of change
The words of someone who hasn’t studied a lick of American history
The words of someone who hasn’t studied a lick of American history
The words of someone who hasn’t studied enough
No, no, they are right. Democrats changed from “pro”-LGBTQ+ to anti-LGBTQ+ as soon as they saw trans as a detriment to their election.
What are “primaries” and how do they supposedly change the options?
A primary election is how the two options are selected. By having the general be a choice between two parties it reduces noise from splitting the vote. The primary election is how the candidates from each party are chosen.
Are they rigged in any way?
Each state and party runs their own, so I guess it depends. In Washington State we made the primary election run the same as the general: there’s a list of candidates with party affiliations, and the two with the most votes progress to the general in November.
So you have 102 candidates, 2 from each state?
There’s 50 states, and they don’t all do it the same way. Each state has 2 senators, 1-52 representatives, etc. Then there’s national elections where a small pool of candidates is voted on by the entire country, but which names appear on which ballots and how depends on the county you’re voting in.
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The democrats were in power before and the foreign child crusher was in overdrive.
Did you care then?
The irony of opening up with this post and pivoting to ‘sorry the genocide was happening either way’
ah, what happened is that user got scratched haha
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Genocide; Relatively milquetoast, mostly harmless policies
‘mostly harmless’ unless you’re on the receiving end of us ‘foreign’ policy.
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wow it’s almost like we should stop supporting these assholes
incredibly rich to be accusing other people of failing to understand basic concepts when you can’t even wrap your head around the fact that people living outside the us are still humans
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i did vote in 2024. the cop was a lock to win my state so i did a protest vote.
i even vote in primaries against the pro-genocide democrats when it’s an option (rarely)
the trick is i do things outside of election cycles, always plenty of work to be done.
Democrats no longer cover their ears at the sounds of protesters.
AIPAC money is a black mark.
People like you have to pretend to care.
A: Genocide; Relatively milquetoast, mostly harmless policies
it was a no brainer
Yet another example of westerner not considering Palestinians and other victims of USA as people.
A: Genocide; Relatively milquetoast, mostly harmless policies
No way… they did NOT just say that, did they??
They did. This is what you get when you let supposedly left wing space get “antitankie”.
left wing space get “antitankie”.
basically, the left wing of fascism, as usual.
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It’s actually impressive that every other comment or two of yours comment history has double digit downvotes.
Go back to reddit
I’m just incredulous that you think BlueMaga is a real thing.
What else would you call “vote blue no matter who” lmao
Go back to reddit
ah yes the democrats are just angels
As opposed to them doing the exact same thing as the republicans as depicted in the OP? We’re both exaggerating for effect
you think the democrats are better because you only care when you are on the receiving end of what your country does to the global south countries every decade since after WW2. You literally do not care about people outside your own country as you don’t consider them humans and would gladly have them die for your own comfort and treats.
Did it feel good to attack that strawman you made up? Let me know when you’re ready for an actual discussion.
Youre depicting Democrats as angels despite all the horrible shit they do. So it is completely reasonable to conclude what they concluded about your position. Thats not what a strawman is, a strawman isn’t just “when you adress the logical conclusions to the other persons statement”.
If youre going to make an attempt at pseudo-intellectual dismissals of other people, at least learn how the fallacy you’re referring to functions.You dont care about people outside of the US. You are a nationalist. Your only fear with regards to politics is experiencing the pain your regime brings upon other countries every day. All of these statements are reasonable assertions based on what you had written so far.
My meme doesn’t specify the angel box is democrats. The point is that people who assume voting does not matter are contributing to the worse outcome happening, which is true. I do have the personal belief that democrats are meaningfully better than republicans on domestic and foreign policy, but no, I do not think they are angels. I think my responses have made that clear and so taking the meme literally over the opinions I have explicitly expressed and argued for is incorrect.
And yes, their argument is a strawman. They wanted to feel good about disagreeing with someone who unpersons foreigners and does not care about people outside of their country, so they decided that’s who I was. This completely ignores very reasonable explanations such as “it’s possible to care about more than one thing at once”. The point of calling their argument a strawman is to express that no, they are not describing my position accurately.
And neither are you. I care about people outside the US. Would it be valid to say you don’t care about people inside the US because you are telling us not to improve our domestic policies? I support the ICC and other extranational oversight measures. Obviously I care about the wellbeing of the US a lot (I live here) but my decisions don’t fail to take the health of other nations into account, so no, I am not a nationalist. Claiming things like “you don’t consider [people outside your own country] humans” is patently ridiculous (honestly it’s straight up libel) when I have not expressed those views. It’s a strawman because they are responding not to what was said, but to what they falsely imagine my beliefs to be.
My meme doesn’t specify the angel box is democrats.
So the way conversation works is that responses like yours come after statements made by someone else and the responses are made in and viewed in the context of the wider conversation. So when the meme is about Democrats and republicans and you then give it your own little spin with a similar binary, people rightfully conclude you’re saying Democrats are angels. I can empathise that this might be tough when youre a horrible person, like you, who doesn’t get a lot of chances for proper social interaction, so I get you might struggle with the concept. Youre welcome for explaining it to you.
Now, something else people do, is look at what else you are saying and they also use that to understand what you’re trying to illustrate thru an artistic medium. From your other statements it is clear you consider them angels. Which means youre a fascist genocidal cop-loving racist homophobe - even if you say you aren’t - because your actions are ones of running defence for fascist genocidal cop-loving racist homophobes. You know like when your bullies grab your arms and make you punch yourself and they ask you “why are you punching yourself?” youre not really punching yourself - they are, even though they say something different, it is what they are doing that matters.I do have the personal belief that democrats are meaningfully better than republicans on domestic and foreign policy
Sweet, I believe dragons are real but that doesn’t make it so either. In reality dragons dont exist, there is no queen of England and the democrats are as bad domestivally and with foreign policy.
I care about people outside the US.
No, you just say you do. You do not give a fuck about foreigners if you vote for genociders. Especially not when you depict them as angels compared to republicans.
The rest of your screed is just you retreading things that have already been refuted and saying things that are answered by READING THE LINKED TEXT. At this point its clear you’re just trolling, since you dont actually want to discuss things - You dont engage with the text given to you, you ignore what people write, you hide behind misused rhetorics, you fail to engage arguments presented. I am not interested in arguing for the sake of arguing, I find trolling like what youre attempting to be sad and tiresome. If you just want to troll just post goatse or some lazy one-liner, that way we can all know to dismiss you immediately.
My meme doesn’t specify the angel box is democrats.
Ah the classic “I’m not touching you!” Defense
go back to reddit, fash
Surely you can think of a better way to affect meaningful change than sitting in a basement accusing random people online of being fascists. You do realize this is detrimental to your cause?
Then again, maybe you don’t… yeah, probably not. What a waste.
You do realize this is detrimental to your cause?
What cause? Like getting people who are legitimizing a system that enables, defends and protects genocide into communism?
Then again, maybe you don’t… yeah, probably not. What a waste.
Youre also doing the same, dumbass. You dont think you could be more effective if you went outside instead of sitting here arguing with people who quote clearly will not vote democrat?
Probably not, your people skills suck as does your communication. You’d probably just alienate potential voters.
“Genocidal monsters are figuratively angles!”
Obtuse
No the democrats are doing the exact same, thats not an exaggeration. They are both committing a genocide.
You are free to believe they are equivalent in spite of the many, many differences. I’m not having this argument again.
Oh wow thank you for allowing me to think things! I have also had this discussion before
They’re the same. They both fuck over minorities, they both increase deportations, they are both warmongers, they both do genocide, they both fuck over the climate, they both fuck over women, they both fuck over queer people, they are both parties full of geriatric genocidal fascist pedophiles.
“Think” might be a strong word if you believe they are equal. If you truly think they are equally bad, why do you continually describe the Democrats as being bad because they allow the Republicans to do bad things? Surely there would be no need to use them as a proxy if both parties are doing equally bad things on their own? You know deep down that the Democrats are a passive evil rather than an active one, don’t pretend you believe they are identical.
Not going to bother responding to this well, but if you want to know my understanding of the situation:
They’re the same.
No
They both fuck over minorities, […] they both fuck over women, they both fuck over queer people,
Tends to be Republicans by a fairly wide margin
they both increase deportations,
See my previous comments in this thread, this is true but I do not believe deportations under Biden have caused as much harm as the ones under Trump.
they are both warmongers,
Again, true but tends to favor Republicans. Obama got the Iran conflict under control until Trump blew it up again, for example.
they both do genocide,
True
they both fuck over the climate,
True, but favors Republicans especially with the complete gutting of the EPA recently.
they are both parties full of geriatric
Yes, in fact the average age is basically identical
genocidal
Yes, although detractors tend to be Democrats as it’s the best party for them
fascist
Same as above, nonfascists always choose the Democratic party. I wonder why?
pedophiles.
HEAVILY favors Republicans.
Conclusion: Democrats are a better choice than republicans, and claiming they are the same is illogical.
“think”
Wowww so uncivil!
Read the link, you’re saying absolutely nothing that hasnt been addressed.
why do you continually describe the Democrats as being bad because they allow the Republicans to do bad things?
When they’re not already doing it themselves it is because the republicans are already doing it for them. Like the crime bill.
If it werent in their interests then they would roll it back or oppose it.The rest, and really this point too, has already been adressed by the link. Im not interested in arguing for the sake of arguing, so I won’t waste more time giving rebuttals to something that is already refuted by the linking of another comment. If you actually want to discuss these things, then do it with the modicum of civility it requires to actually engage with the other. Otherwise you’re just trolling.
many, many differences.
so many differences? give a few examples
You know this thread makes you look like an uninformed moron, right?
LMFAO this is literally the same from an outside perspective. You BLUEmaga people really do only care about decorum and domestic issues in politics. You even admit that Biden wasn’t good. It’s all “lesser evil” for you. And guess what, evil is still evil you fucking idiot.
And who are you saying are angels exactly?
Pictured: Someone voting democrat instead of third party or not voting.
It’s ridiculous that you put voting third party and not voting in the same category. You clearly do not understand the effects of your actions.
No, I do. Not voting and voting third party both work towards eroding the Democratic Party, which is necessary in order for positive change in the us.
Voting third party is incredibly more effective at that because it signals a desire for change rather than just voter apathy
Sure. Not voting for democrats also signals apathy. Voting is miniscule, the real part lies elsewhere.
In what way does voting for a third party candidate signal apathy? It shows you would like a candidate that is not one of the two main parties. Is that not your intention?
Voting is miniscule, the real part lies elsewhere.
What, do you plan on an armed revolution? Seriously?
In what way does voting for a third party candidate signal apathy? It shows you would like a candidate that is not one of the two main parties.
Yes. So it signals apathy with the current system.
What, do you plan on an armed revolution? Seriously?
Because the only thing to do apart from voting once every two years is to bomb the local town hall… Why is it you assume it is either vote or immediate mass organised proletarian uprising?
Do you even FPTP?
Voting third party will not elect a third party candidate yet, but it will more clearly show your desire for change and has a better chance of meaningfully affecting the behavior of the dominant parties or other voters.
Agreed, but it’s only under fairly specific circumstances that it’s effective (i.e. worth it for the rational voter) in such a system. Post-war Britain managed to delete the Liberal party (or maybe just rename) but they ended up in the same boat after a while. If you can’t respect ranked preferences you end up with two big parties that try to represent a bit more than half the country, with all the nuance that allows.
That’s all true, yes. I just think it’s rational to vote third party if you were planning on not voting at all because it has some positive benefits and no real downsides.
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Every blue candidate is by definition a “magacrat” whatever that means. The democrats are fascist genociders, voting for a democrat means voting for a fascist genocidal party.
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You can get a link directly to your comment (if you want) by clicking the fedi-link button (the multicolored one)
Thanks. I like to give the context of the other, but maybe i should actually just copy-paste the comment instead.
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Oh no, it is truly terrible to hear that someone like you - A person whose rebuttal to a thought-out and sourced text is to call them names, like a child angry at the world for challenging their preconceived notions, thinks negatively of me. I do so try to endear me to idiotic assholes, so it really strikes a nerve that I have failed once again. Alas, some day I am sure I shall manage to do it. Perhaps if I regurgitate some trite joke or catchphrase from popular media instead of trying to think? Bazinga! Does that do anything for you?
Everyone is Hitler but me!
Lets see.
Are they involved in a genocide?
How about the ~7bil people living outside the empire? Yank brain can’t compute human existence outside the empire
But doesn’t everyone live in default country? Except for terrorists obv.
Idk what you’re even saying, but I get the hint that you’re resorting to Islamophobia, as is tradition for Yankees and Epsteinites
In which case, just know, I go around sometimes go around reinforcing the beliefs of conservatives and further promoting MAGA so the polarisation in your country goes and it collapses sooner.
If you won’t get off your ass and fix your country (whose actions affect the lives of myself and people I care about), then I’ll put effort into causing it to get way worse until it explodes and leaves the rest of us alone. Chop chop
Your reading comprehension needs improvement, friend
Maybe. Or maybe your writing skills could use some help. Dont feel too bad. Its okay. English is a subpar language anyway
No, the people voting for fascist genociders are fascist genociders - or “Hitler” as you’d say.
Who else are they going to vote for?
Not my problem. If you can’t fix your country, we’ll make it worse until it stops being a problem for the rest of us
Go ahead!
Thank you! Just got done telling some MAGAts that the Dems are plotting something big to make Trump lose the elections LMAO
Any third party. Or if that isnt viable in your mind then: don’t vote. You dont have to and voting for democrats or republicans does more harm than good.
Except the second guy upgraded it to a foreign and domestic child crusher
It was always a foreign and domestic child crusher.
A: Black people would like a word
B: That’s the crux of it with you guys, isn’t it? A party of genocidal liars promised you the chance to save your own hide by throwing millions under the bus, so of course you were going to take it, because you simply do not give enough of a shit about human life to even try to look for another way. Just press button on genocide machine, enjoy burger. End result of capitlaist social experiment.
No, the second guy just has less media competency so you suddenly notice the domestic part. It was there under the polite guy as well, you just didnt pay attention or care.
But lets pretend your statement was true, its cool and good for a guy to crush children as long as the kids aren’t americans? That’s insane.boohoo you experience 1 billionth of the pain that is delivered by your country to the global south every day
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you think you can guilt trip with that kind of reply? They are born under privilege of being within the imperial core, who never have to sleep with the thought that they might not wake up the next day from being bombed.
Ultimately, it’s the adults who are responsible and you can not just offload responsibility of the domestic children towards those that are under siege every day from your countries. Seriously stop being a fucking nazi apologist.
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Uh, the children being crushed domestically aren’t the ones being born in the imperial core, it’s mostly immigrants.
yeah I wonder why? Like how democrats were campaigning on being even tougher on immigration than Trump. Or how under Obama, ICE got a lot more funding and power. Or how under Biden, nothing changed on the deportation that had all the liberals crying and screaming at Trump for but for SOME reason completely stopped caring about it when Biden was in control?
This is a result of your country destabilizing other countries where those immigrants come from, and to make them obedient and always fearful, and work for extremely low wages in abusive conditions, they are always under threat of deportation.
You really are incapable of feeling guilt. You just want your brunch and hibernate for 4 years until the next ritual—sorry I mean election season.
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Are you fucking kidding me? The fascists use that logic while being the aggressive ones. Amerika is the aggressive one, “Israel” is the aggressive one. Palestine is fighting and struggling against genocide and fascists use that logic to accelerate the genocide even more.
Yours are not being killed, you are not under attack because you all ARE THE ATTACKERS.
You’re fucking disgusting.
BlueMaga liberals only care about never being on the receiving end of what they do overseas
Domestic children need a bigger crusher
That is what they would get under either party.
One is still objectively better than the other.
I dare you to go to Gaza and say that to them.
For white people yeah
And that one has shown that they absolutely will throw you under the bus if you’re no longer convenient to them. Just look at how eager democrats were to demonise trans people after they lost in 2024. The democrats are only ‘good’ for white people for now. It won’t take much for them to only be good for the ‘right kind’ of white people in the future.
Exactly, people who keep defending democrats as the lesser evil are ones that won’t be affected by the evil. They are privileged white cishet people.
the funny part is i’m not even sure which one this is meant to be referring to lmao. both just cater to different whites and oppress everyone else
You’re fine with either as long as no one has the option to vote against crushing orphans.
If we’re taking the comic at face value the guy can choose between a polite or a rude child crusher. There’s no door #3. I’m taking polite every day of the week. That being said, I don’t think it’s a particularly good comic in the first place.
I’m taking polite every day of the week.
If you’re so happy to select child crusher, I doubt you have any real preference as to whether someone is polite or not.
Correct: The rude one, because he makes more people oppose the child crusher. Happy to hear you also oppose voting democrat
At best you can say they’re less openly scummy, doing slightly less damage (only domestically of course) while enabling the other side of their tag team to do the dirty work.
The word ‘better’ has no place here. Objectively.Depends if you’re discussing the comic or what it’s trying to (poorly) represent.
you should’ve quit while you were behind
I see one lacking in civility and one lacking in honesty, so I can’t see how one is “objectively better”. Some people favor civility over honesty, and others the other way around.
Now do one about USAID.
Both parties my ass.
Not USAID??? Won’t someone please think of the CIA front for regime-change operations?!
Other sources
https://yalebooks.yale.edu/2015/04/15/lessons-not-learned-covert-operations-since-the-cold-war/https://www.justsecurity.org/18634/usaid-engage-covert-action-cuba-proper-domestic-legal-authority/
https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2014/04/15/when-is-foreign-aid-meddling
And here’s something about another US program, since we’re already shitting on things
https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/occrp-budget-funding-us-government-usaid
You wouldn’t need USAID if your terrorist state is not selling weapons to all groups in civil wars and all the countries you destroyed with your illegal wars and foreign intervention under both dems and republicans. Seeing the dem history they never fix what the republican break
Actually we would still need to fight malaria and tuberculosis even without imperialism.
Those diseases reappeared in many places where wars was started
It would certainly be an easier fight without imperialism
Now do one about USAID.
USA destabilizes a nation through bombing them or funding reactionary rebels and then comes in as the oh-so graceful white saviour of USAID to help the “uncivilized savages” who can not run their own country for some reason
You’re just handing out ammo for free.
Clueless libKinda like USAID did for terrorists
USAID was a CIA project to keep underdeveloped colonized nations dependant on scraps of charity that came with enormous strings attached. Cutting its funding did have harm in the immediate sense but ultimately it is an organization directly beholden to the imperialist aims of the US.
USAID wasn’t what you think it was. It was CIA front, and Trump didn’t shut it down so much as move its operations to Marco Rubio’s State Department.
Isn’t that what we all thought it was?
