• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    14 hours ago

    Who are the real barbarians?

    Uh…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Islamic_Republic_of_Iran

    Iran is only hitting US military bases in other countries, because even now an attack on US soil is a terrible idea.

    trump and Iran are both evil, but Iran isn’t ran by idiots. They understand the game.

    Like in most conflicts, both sides can be shitty. But Iran makes what trump is doing with ICE like nothing. They’re both evil and shouldn’t be in power, but Iran’s government has killed looooads more Iranians than trump.

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      10 hours ago

      I wonder what Iran would be like if it still had its democratic government before the U.S. and U.K. orchestrated a coup in 1953 that installed the Shah for the crime of nationalizing their oil industry. Iran was on a path to democracy and the US undid that and installed an authoritarian leader.

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        13 hours ago

        Obviously way better…

        But that’s not whose been running Iran?

        Like, America would be a lot better off if Al Gore and Bernie Sanders had been elected too.

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          Right, but the people running Iran right now are the result of the US interfering explicitly to combat Iran’s socialization of their oil. Which reflexively led to the Iranian Revolution and the current Islamic Republic. The current regime would not exist without US interference. Al Gore and Bernie Sanders suffered domestic interference, not foreign.

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      13 hours ago

      Sorry, but this is a false equivalence.

      Of course things are terrible inside Iran, especially for women. However. This is about each country’s military strategy.

      If you want to whataboutism into “but look at their human rights for their own people”, I will gladly send you here and there for a moment of pause and reflection.

      And yes Iran is strategecally far superior in the way they are playing this, but if you think that through, you will understand that Donny and Benji are providing a perfect external threat to Iran, bolstering the perceived need for a ‘protector’ in the from of the IRG.

      This zionist war is helping Iran to keep it’s status quo, rather than letting the people continue the beginnings of a groundswell movement which was beginning to take place right before the war.

      Your wiki article far from unbiased, and you might want to take into account who’s been interfering for over half a century tool.

      TLDR; don’t compare a theocracy vs a (kleptocracy + theocracy) and say one is better than the other. Go print a newspaper in Jerusalem with FREE PALESTINE as the headline, or go walk around freely as a hispanic looking person in any democratic state in the US.

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      13 hours ago

      I am not sure you want to go down this road, the US has killed likely millions of children in iraq, iran, afganistan, yemen, etc

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        13 hours ago

        the US has killed likely millions of children in iraq, iran, afganistan, yemen, etc

        The fuck are you talking about even?

        1. Why add a shit ton of countries?

        2. I’d still be surprised if they directly killed millions of children in all of the middle east. But even if they had, why wouldn’t you compare that to how many Irans government has killed in all those countries?

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      13 hours ago

      Iran is only hitting US military bases in other countries, because even now an attack on US soil is a terrible idea.

      US military bases in other countries are very explicitly considered “US soil.”

      Do you expect a country defending itself against attack to travel around the world to attack instead of using those resources defensively?

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        13 hours ago

        They very much are not, at least not by default. That’s typically reserved for embassies and consulates. Many foreign bases remain under host nation control.

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      14 hours ago

      I am definitely not an expert on Iran, so I will not say whether Iran truly has a history of human rights abuses or not, but I have to say the citations of that Wikipedia article ia full of citations from sources that have clear vested interest in the United State hegemony. This is the exact kind of Wikipedia article teachers warned aginst citing when I was in school.

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        13 hours ago

        so I will not say whether Iran truly has a history of human rights abuses or not

        In the time it took you to type that a rational adult could have just looked it up…

        You’re from .ml, I have zero idea what you would consider an acceptable source. And I’m not fucking playing that game where every time I link something you say it’s not good enough.

        This is the exact kind of Wikipedia article teachers warned aginst citing when I was in school.

        You didn’t understand then

        You don’t understand now.

        I see no reason to believe my time would be more helpful than you’re teachers.

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          11 hours ago

          you’re teachers.

          Don’t accuse others of failing to learn from their teachers lol.

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                Are you talking about Iran or .ml users?

                Because if the later, yeah no shit, here in vietnam, there’s still areas with insane birth defects due to agent orange and elevated arsenic due to agent blue.