One thing I really dislike about the Mobile ecosystem is how much different each device is to each other.
Imagine owning a laptop and not being able to install linux without the manufacturer permission.
They really messed us up with how they created the phone architecture, so closed and restrictive.
Capitalism
It used to be the same with x86 computers, but over time a standardized interface was developed.
ARM is already getting something similar, but most companies aren’t interested, precisely because they’re perfectly fine with the restrictions.
The ptoblem is that all the phone manufacters don’t release any drivers, neither close or open
nor document their hardware at all
One thing I really dislike about the Mobile ecosystem is how much different each device is to each other.
I thought you were sarcastic when I first read this part, since way back when phones used to be innovative in both hardware and software. The current market offerings are all carbon copies of eachother with a strong trend towards converging into the exact same lineup.
Multiple cameras, one in front, 2+ in back. A power button and two for volume. Reader apps may hijack it for scroll. Gesture movements. Fingerprint and face id. Less and less conusmer freedom in software choice. Irremovable battery. No removable back plate. A rectangular brick. A near-100% display area. No headphone jack or SD card, with SIM on the way out.
Covers the vast majority of offerings on the market, with a few slight adds/subtracts. Dumbphones are a rounding error.
This definition covers even tablets, and it isn’t even deliverately vague.
Without much experimentation and development on the hardware front, no wonder software’s behaving exactly the same.
There just isn’t enough interest for proper innovation and experimentation.
Oh that’s 100% true.
I was just thinking on the firmware of the thing. And how incompatible are they between models that are almost the same.
And as you say all phones are basically the same, there’s no excuse for how little normalization there is in the software they carry.
And we’re not even talking about iphone
And yet they’re all the same
Imagine owning a laptop and not being able to install linux without the manufacturer permission.
Fairphone 6 ?
Honestly, I’d replace this fuckass Google device in a heartbeat, but I will never in my life understand why people want flagship phones. I got a b-ware 9a for 300 bucks and even this one is way overkill for what I want in a phone. Why can’t there just be a low-spec one instead of ones that cost more than an entry class laptop?
Ask Qualcomm. Only the highest level Snapdragon chips have the hardware security that the Graphene folks demand.
I will never in my life understand why people want flagship phones
It’s easier to compile Rust programs and emulate Wii games on phones with higher RAM/CPU/Storage
Yeah, I’m still holding out hope for a “convergent” device I can dock and use as a PC. I’ve used Samsung’s DeX a bit, and it’s okay but I really want a Linux phone with something like a high end flagship Snapdragon SOC that gives me a normal Plasma desktop when docked. Samsung was doing Linux on DeX for like, a month or so, then discontinued it.
The FLX1s has this feature:
That’s interesting, the specs for that phone say it has USB 2.0. I wonder how it works and if any USB dock would work or if this is some kind of bespoke solution.
I have one, but I’ve only tried with the official dock. I’ll try to remember to test it out later this week to see if it works with a rando-dock.
I appreciate that! My guess it that it will not work, but I’d love to be wrong.
I just tested it out, and I could’t get it to work. I didn’t spend much time trouble-shooting it, so there may be a simple fix, but that is kinda disappointing.
cool, does it ship with a OS that lets me actually use it like a general purpose computer that it is? No, I am not fighting with android, I want a proper OS
Sigh, me too
Unfortunately no, I tried using Nix on Droid and it’s super buggy and Android’s aggressive OOM killer and lack of systemd didn’t help, NixOS-AVF on Android Terminal is probably going to be my next shot, and hopefully the Linux support on Fairphone makes more progress
Clearly a killing feature everyone craves… ??
9a for 300 bucks
And the battery life of that thing is excellent
Yes, but like half the SoC power, half the RAM wouldn’t change anything about how I use the phone. It’s just not needed at fucking all, waste of money. I’d rather have even more battery life lmao
Till it lags like crazy and closes all your apps.
Gonna buy one, gotta support the cause. We need this phone to do well.
GrapheneOS’ cause is only theirs. They don’t share with the ecosystem
I would have liked an affordable midrange device (like Pixel 4a) with the option of graphene os preinstalled. That would unlock it as a device recommendation for my family members: Everything still works, and the device is good enough for all expected workloads. And with a growing user base comes mainstream relevance for graphene os.
Avant-garde nerds hacking their phones with custom roms may clear the path, but the normies can bring the necessary financial volume.
I’m actually kind of excited about this, despite it meaning my next phone is going to be more expensive than I want (or can really handle, so I’ll start saving now.)
I figured this would be the case, too, for the exact reason stated in the article, the Moto G devices aren’t secure enough.
BUT why I’m excited is usually Moto’s flagship phones have expandable storage!!! I want nothing more from a phone than a grapheneOS phone with a microSD! I’m still mad at the cell phone market for killing expandable storage. Now if I could just convince them to give me two USB-C ports so I don’t have to wear my charge port to use wired headphones…
If they’re expensive but worth it that’s fine. Graphene powered Motorola is the only device I’d ever consider switching back to Android for.
The base Pixel is 1K Euro this year. Are they really thinking of releasing a 1K+ phone? That’s absolutely insane.
Pixels used to be mid range phones with great cameras or more precisely great image processors for mid range prices to overvalued mid range phones with outdated hardware.
Pixels used to be mid range phones with great cameras or more precisely great image processors for mid range prices to overvalued mid range phones with outdated hardware.
Pixel is now (and arguably always was) an overpriced piece of garbage, fact. Googlebet realized selling Nexus units at basically cost for developers was a missed opportunity for more profit, no question.
Comparing these to Pixels though, which are actually complete garbage, makes no sense - the only similarity is that they will both support Graphene, and have the hardware to do so.
These lastest-gen Motorola devices are better compared to Oppo and Xiaomi - absolute TOP OF THE LINE TECH that we barely even get to see in the west unless we import stuff from China (as I did for my two phones prior to my current Pixel). So yes, they will cost more, but they are going to be REAL flagships, that will EASILY last 2-3 years. I think my last Xiaomi got me through three before I even thought about an upgrade, the way it used to be with the ‘western’ companies before they realized they can release garbage and get people to buy new practically every year.
I really liked my 3a. My wife had a 6a. I cringe when I think about either of us needing to replace what we have.
I think the 10A can be found at a good discount like 300-350€. But the base 10 and 11 are quite expensive.
For 300-350 € I can find just refurbished pixel 8 at best. Can you indicate where to get pixel 10 for that price?
That’s 10A, not the regular Pixel.
Anyway, even pixel 9 for that price I didn’t see. Send me a link, please, if you can, I am trying to buy one.
Check the second hand options. I bought a brand new Pixel 10 Pro at the beginning of the year for 600€ from the second hand market from a guy who got it with his contract renewal for free. I think back then the regular Pixel was costing 500€, so I can imagine that you can find a Pixel 9 for 300-350€ in a very good condition.
Pack it up, boys, the dream’s over!
hey now. hey now.
There isn’t freedom within
CAN anything be priced higher than pixels? Fuck me and my need to eat.
yay!
i wish they released mid-range phonesbad sign. i hope it’s at least available in my country.
Lower end phones are supposed to be coming later. I’m honestly not surprised that the first will be a flagship
hoping so! cheap graphene phones will be cool to have.
“GrapheneOS has supported Pixels because Google’s Tensor chips provide the necessary security features, but not all Qualcomm chips offer the same capabilities. Only Qualcomm’s most expensive 8-series processors are comparable from a security standpoint, and those only go in expensive flagship smartphones.”
The price has to do with cpu types. As long as those particular chips remain expensive and top shelf, it won’t reach more budget devices. Its not a malicious choice.
The upcoming Moto devices won’t ship with GrapheneOS, but they will be fully supported by the project with help from Moto itself.
Doesn’t unlocking the bootloader on a Motorola device void the warranty?
It can’t in a lot of jurisdictions.
It couldn’t, but it does.
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Show up to a repair center with a phone running a custom ROM and try to have the people working there give a single damn about what EU law says about bootloader unlocking. I’m talking from experience, because I had to.
Anyway, I’m not even sure that Motorola could sell a smartphone with Graphene OS as its stock firmware, because Google would probably get pissed off about it.
Alongside this we need Posh based mobile system or Enlightenment Desktop environment based one
“priced higher than”
Don’t care. GIMME GIMME GIMME.
Lenovo is just always killing it. Guess I’m getting one of these next.
lol the lack of awareness
Why? Its a phone that supports Graphene where Google isn’t trying to kill it?
What
