Everytime i see star citizen it frustrates me because the comments are 90% dumb. It has predatory monetization, it has been in development hell, it has been a great disappointment to many people.
Its not a scam. You can pay money and log into the game right now and play. Theyve done some technically very impressive stuff (that doesnt help the game at all, potentially hurts it, definitely contributes to the devlopment hell), and people do have fun. There is an actual game with mechanics. I would argue those mechanics arent fleshed out or fun enough and dont work well, but thats subjective.
I paid like $20 very early on knowing backing things is a risk. It didnt really pay off for what i wanted, but i still had some fun flying ships around, racing them and exploring. I dont recommend it, its ran terribly and performance is bad for obvious reasons, etc. but its still not a scam or equivalent to slop.
It’s less a game and more a sim. They’ll not fix broken box missions, but spend weeks on fart mechanics. Either they are incompetent or intentionally stalling. I personally believe the latter.
They don’t intend to leave alpha because they’re making money from ship sales. It’s pretty, but it’s not fun when you run, and boom, you dead. 45 mins to get back there.
They can still sell ships after releasing the game. Sure there will be a bit of a shitstorm they promised not to do that but their cult will survive it.
Correct, it is a development nightmare yes, it is beyond ridiculously delayed, it is overhyped, it is overpriced, it is predatory, it is stupid in countless ways, but a scam is intentionally fraudulent and anyone making that claim of Star Citizen is being disingenuous. It is a game being actively developed by idiotic, toxic, malignant narcissists powered largely by self-absorbed vanity, but that’s not the same thing as a scam perpetrated by fraudsters. They’re both very, very bad, but they’re also very, very much not the same thing and we should stop confusing such basic concepts with each other.
Bernie Madoff and Sam Bankman-Fried didn’t start their companies with the intention to defraud their customers. But they quickly found themselves in too deep and the only thing they could do was ask for money to keep it afloat as long as they could. The only difference between those ventures and Star Citizen is that Star Citizen hasn’t collapsed under its own weight yet.
I agree on both points but there’s a difference between Halo 4 being genuinely ass (shitty) and No Man’s Sky releasing on false promises and outright lies (false advertising).
One of these i consider a genuine scam (upon release, anyway).
Admittedly, I’m not the authority on SC; where would you place it on the scale? Because from what ive heard there were/are lots of empty promises.
If you gave a number score halo 4 is 100% no mans sky is 0% , star citizen would probably lay somewhere at like 60%. The main, biggest issue being time and not being able to meet their own set goals. They eventually do get there, but then they also add new stuff behind it that they eventually get to, and they are (seemingly) pretty transparent about everything. (Or were ig idk i havent paid any attention in like 5+ years and its not like i was hardcore following it before that)
Its not like im an authority either but every topic involving it is so vitriolic and hyperbolic and people do say empty promises but they either dont specify, its flatout untrue, or its back to their timeline (which ill reiterate doesnt equal scam to me bc there IS a game you can play, and some people even like it despite me thinking its not very good, that encompasses the things theyve talked about, just at a snails pace). Is there something thats gotten cut or whatever? Im certain, theres no game that implements every single idea theyve ever had . But the big things and overarching gameplay is as advertised. All of this to say, the real issues are drowned out by people who’ve only read sensational headlines and its frustrating to read, drowns out bringing up new issues etc.
No. No you don’t have the slightest idea of what you are talking about. Scam citizen has over ten years of history. If you knew it you would not hesitate to call it a scam! They lied to the original Kickstarter investors right out the gate and that was the first scam of many scams!
It’s a scam like a Ponzi scheme is a scam. Nothing they have promised has been delivered in over ten years. They have lied countless times to get more backer money. The original concept for the Kickstarter was tossed out long ago, those people definitely got scammed! They were told too bad the scope changed after the kickstarter! It is a fucking scam and I’ll die on that hill.
It’s no different than all those NFT based games from 6 years ago, only this is 10x bigger than any of them ever got. No actual game will ever be released, everyone who paid as much on a digital ship as an actual used car will ever get to properly fly it as they were promised.
That is obvious nonsense. While it is an everlasting beta version it contains a lot of content and innovative stuff. It just doesn’t really work and likely never will. NFT cash grabs on the other side had little to no content, certainly no innovative code at all. The comoarison diesn’t fly.
Everytime i see star citizen it frustrates me because the comments are 90% dumb. It has predatory monetization, it has been in development hell, it has been a great disappointment to many people.
Its not a scam. You can pay money and log into the game right now and play. Theyve done some technically very impressive stuff (that doesnt help the game at all, potentially hurts it, definitely contributes to the devlopment hell), and people do have fun. There is an actual game with mechanics. I would argue those mechanics arent fleshed out or fun enough and dont work well, but thats subjective.
I paid like $20 very early on knowing backing things is a risk. It didnt really pay off for what i wanted, but i still had some fun flying ships around, racing them and exploring. I dont recommend it, its ran terribly and performance is bad for obvious reasons, etc. but its still not a scam or equivalent to slop.
It’s less a game and more a sim. They’ll not fix broken box missions, but spend weeks on fart mechanics. Either they are incompetent or intentionally stalling. I personally believe the latter.
They don’t intend to leave alpha because they’re making money from ship sales. It’s pretty, but it’s not fun when you run, and boom, you dead. 45 mins to get back there.
Even scams have valid products behind them.
They can still sell ships after releasing the game. Sure there will be a bit of a shitstorm they promised not to do that but their cult will survive it.
That’s a fair point. We’ll see. Do they even have a viable post-release business model?
My guess is that if they get there (a very big if) then they will just copy a microtransactions model that every online game has.
Correct, it is a development nightmare yes, it is beyond ridiculously delayed, it is overhyped, it is overpriced, it is predatory, it is stupid in countless ways, but a scam is intentionally fraudulent and anyone making that claim of Star Citizen is being disingenuous. It is a game being actively developed by idiotic, toxic, malignant narcissists powered largely by self-absorbed vanity, but that’s not the same thing as a scam perpetrated by fraudsters. They’re both very, very bad, but they’re also very, very much not the same thing and we should stop confusing such basic concepts with each other.
Bernie Madoff and Sam Bankman-Fried didn’t start their companies with the intention to defraud their customers. But they quickly found themselves in too deep and the only thing they could do was ask for money to keep it afloat as long as they could. The only difference between those ventures and Star Citizen is that Star Citizen hasn’t collapsed under its own weight yet.
Yes scam citizen is intentionally fraudulent. It’s a scam.
Just because you’re okay with it doesn’t make it not a scam.
False advertising is a scam.
SC is a scam.
A game being shitty isnt false advertising. This is such a loose way to define scams that it actually hurts calling real scams out
I agree on both points but there’s a difference between Halo 4 being genuinely ass (shitty) and No Man’s Sky releasing on false promises and outright lies (false advertising).
One of these i consider a genuine scam (upon release, anyway).
Admittedly, I’m not the authority on SC; where would you place it on the scale? Because from what ive heard there were/are lots of empty promises.
If you gave a number score halo 4 is 100% no mans sky is 0% , star citizen would probably lay somewhere at like 60%. The main, biggest issue being time and not being able to meet their own set goals. They eventually do get there, but then they also add new stuff behind it that they eventually get to, and they are (seemingly) pretty transparent about everything. (Or were ig idk i havent paid any attention in like 5+ years and its not like i was hardcore following it before that)
Its not like im an authority either but every topic involving it is so vitriolic and hyperbolic and people do say empty promises but they either dont specify, its flatout untrue, or its back to their timeline (which ill reiterate doesnt equal scam to me bc there IS a game you can play, and some people even like it despite me thinking its not very good, that encompasses the things theyve talked about, just at a snails pace). Is there something thats gotten cut or whatever? Im certain, theres no game that implements every single idea theyve ever had . But the big things and overarching gameplay is as advertised. All of this to say, the real issues are drowned out by people who’ve only read sensational headlines and its frustrating to read, drowns out bringing up new issues etc.
No. No you don’t have the slightest idea of what you are talking about. Scam citizen has over ten years of history. If you knew it you would not hesitate to call it a scam! They lied to the original Kickstarter investors right out the gate and that was the first scam of many scams!
What are you doing here? Like… What’s your goal? Why are your defending this shit ass “game” studio?
Milking your supporters for ten years is a scam, just not legally.
No, it’s a scam. Hard disagree.
It’s hard to disagree with such a compelling counterargument
If fairness: nuh uh
It’s a scam like a Ponzi scheme is a scam. Nothing they have promised has been delivered in over ten years. They have lied countless times to get more backer money. The original concept for the Kickstarter was tossed out long ago, those people definitely got scammed! They were told too bad the scope changed after the kickstarter! It is a fucking scam and I’ll die on that hill.
It’s no different than all those NFT based games from 6 years ago, only this is 10x bigger than any of them ever got. No actual game will ever be released, everyone who paid as much on a digital ship as an actual used car will ever get to properly fly it as they were promised.
That is obvious nonsense. While it is an everlasting beta version it contains a lot of content and innovative stuff. It just doesn’t really work and likely never will. NFT cash grabs on the other side had little to no content, certainly no innovative code at all. The comoarison diesn’t fly.