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This is the message we need to hear. The bread and butter. I get so tired of people nitpicking GOG and Mozilla over every relatively minor thing when they are some of the only people trying to hold back the deluge of bullshit.
Mozilla is the best browser to ever exist and I will die on this hill.
You mean Firefox? Or is Mozilla the actual core or something? I thought they were just a company or a foundation or whatever
Yea, they mean Firefox. Mozilla is the non-profit foundation, along with its subsidiary company by the same name, that makes it along with other open-source software.
The Nazi thing is nota nitpick though. They need to address that properly instead of the “sorry we got caught” response they gave.
Is this about the Gog Newsletter thing? I’m not 100% informed, but didn’t they pretty much admit that they weren’t aware that ᛋ displayed as ϟ in some devices?
It’s not even a “sorry we got caught” thing, they had nothing to gain by sending a Nazi symbol in their newsletter. What more are they supposed to say?
Yeah that is not hard to do at all. This is not an unreasonable standard.
It’s not a nitpick, but also that newsletter is not indicative of GOG being a Nazi organization. The idea that they specifically decided to advertise a new game based on Slavic mythology specifically so that they could send a mass advertisement to half their user base intentionally using Nazi symbolism is wild. It is much more likely that some marketing dimwit Googled “Slavic runes,” and copied some random ones from the first site they found.
Screenshot of the first result for “slavic emoji” on google
It’s one data point, not a pattern. Definitely something to watch out for, but there’s literally nothing else in the history of the company to suggest that they have any white supremacist tendencies
Almost like “slavic emoji” means something… Why does my dog keep crying?
Given it was an advertisement for a game inspired by Slavic mythology, “Slavic emoji” means “advertisement for a game inspired by Slavic mythology” in this case. Do you think the developers of The End Of The Sun are nazis?
The Slav’s use the same emoji’s as the rest of the world.
I think some idiot was trying to be edgy (👀) and GOG’s PR dept obviously sucks, they put the shit out to begin.
btw, that’s not a special slavic emoji
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It’s literally the first result when searching the phrase “Slavic emoji” on google. Hanlon’s razor applies. Most normal people are not aware of any nazi symbols other than the swastika
Hanlon’s razor applies.
That’s why I’m trying to be patient.
Why do suppose that would rank so highly in a search result?
Yeah I agree with most of what you said. It’s concerning though, they could have easily responded with a responding “Nazi shit has no place here, super sorry we let that slip through”
It is much more likely that some marketing dimwit Googled “Slavic runes,” and copied some random ones from the first site they found.
That’s the part I find doubtful, this sequence can only be found on a site by or about Nazis. I feel like even the dumbest idiot would clock that, but I’ve underestimated idiots before
this sequence can only be found on a site by or about Nazis.
I mean, that exact sequence is in the header of the first result for an ostensibly innocent google search. Spend some time where normal people hang out, and you’ll find that a lot of them can’t clock Nazi dogwhistles. I’ve personally had to explain the significance of “14/88” to people who thought I was nuts for calling the My Pillow guy a nazi
Oof, yeah that’ll do it. Seems like emojidb needs a report button.
I’ve been a gamer for almost 4 decades, so I have quite a lot of experience wanting to run games that I remember were a lot of fun and it turns out they are so old they won’t run anymore.
Typically it’s one of 3 things:
- The hardware I have now won’t support it (say, I don’t have a floopy drive anymore, or they’re from an entirelly different architecture such as the pre-PC game consoles). There’s also quirky ones such as games made at a time when CPUs were so slow that the game just runs as fast as it can (which was fine for older CPUs, but not for CPUs which are thousands of times faster) rather than use the system clock to set its tempo.
- The OS I have won’t support it. Say, it’s a DOS or Windows 3.1 game
- The game has DRM which relies on shit which doesn’t apply anymore (for example, OS quirks that aren’t present in newer OS versions).
There are often ways around the first two - for the hardware sometimes you can get modern versions of older hardware (for example you can actually get an external USB Floppy Disk Drive) and if it’s old enough there will be emulators, whilst for the OS it’s either emulators or adaptor layers.
Only way around the third is either a game crack or the game having no DRM to begin with.
Now, outside the transition of hardware architectures (say, from Amiga to PC) this used to apply maybe after a game was out 10 - 20 years. In the Phone-home DRM generation this seems to apply much faster - the game maker just turns off their servers 5 - 10 years after the game is out and now you can’t legally play that game anymore.
All this to say that GOG and Pirates are the only ones fighting the good fight on making sure we won’t suffer this shit some years from now, which is even more important now that we’re in the Phone-home DRM age.
I absolutely adore GOG for being like this, and for consistently applying pressure to publishers and other marketplace vendors alike.
I just also have A Steam Library with like 1200+ titles, and it’s measured in Terabytes. And butrot in my physical media will be non zero, in long enough timescale.
I consider my continued patronage of buying games to be my subscription costs to the platform vendors. 🤣
Bit rot is already happening to my PS2 games. MGS2 is completely dead for me now. Its a copy I’ve had since I was a kid when it came out.
The only way to be sure is to save it on a quartz matrix. Only issue is it’s read-only. Not rewritable ever. Once you etch your data into quartz that’s it.
Storage is amazing, though. All of human knowledge (so far) has already been etched into such a storage medium by the UN a few years ago. It fits in the palm of your hand.
Or… you could just follow the 3-2-1 strategy with normal drives and regular scrubs. For most purposes (including a game library) that’s way better.
But I want my game library to survive the sun’s expansion!
Let’s play a game, of how much this would cost today.
butt rot
🥹
I’m not fixing it. 🤣🤣
Pull out disc with a game from 10 years ago
Installs just fine and launches
“Connecting to online services…”
“Timeout: Retry? Quit?”
Huh?
I don’t think GOG allow games like that on their platform.
It’s exactly GOG’s thing that games sold there can’t have any DRM, so this scenario is out. (Also, no disk with GOG games ;))
Probably why you won’t find things like Red Dead Redeption II (PC) in GOG, since Rockstar wants to force you to register in their systems to get your sweet, sweet private info. (Curiously, the pirated version has no such anti-consumer crap)
In my experience as a gamer for almost 4 decades, the most likely scenario with a really old game is that it simply won’t install or run in the OS version or even hardware that you have now, though give it enough time and somebody out there will have created an emulator or adaptor layer for it (like DOSBox).
But yeah, any game from the Phone-home DRM generation which isn’t bought from a seller which has No DRM policy (which only GOG has, as far as I know - even itch.io doesn’t have a No DRM policy) will almost certainly have an artificially created end-of-life that has nothing to do with the OS or hardware you have being too new for the game.
no disk with GOG games
Did you just miss the context of the post about burning the installers onto a disc so it’s yours forever?
Sorry, I know this is nitpicking but that line just bugged me.
I did indeed miss that part.
Thanks for pointing it out.
If only they would post more stuff on Bluesky or even use Mastodon instead of TwitterX
(Yes, i am aware they have a bluesky profile but they post less stuff on there, it seems)
The Nazi rune company hangs out at the Nazi bar? I’m shocked.
Sadly, based on market share, people seem to be picking Steam over GoG.
They almost always pick what’s most convenient/familiar over what’s principled and better in the long term.
They don’t have regional pricing, so games there are typically a lot more expensive.
I buy on steam mostly cos it has a Linux client and Proton is built in. I still go to gog for some 90s stuff cos they fix them up a bit.
When gog release a Linux client, it’ll get the same consideration as steam, that’s all they’ve gotta do, I’m not even asking for any packaged compatibility like proton
Heroic = no?
Why would I bother to take the extra steps when they can’t even be arsed to release a client for my os?
Because you’re not a jackass?
GoG is doing well in the convenience category too though. Their GoG launcher is amazing and syncs with all your online libraries (steam, ea, epic, etc).
But yeah, I think until Steam screws up or goes public or something, and gives people a reason to switch, there’s not gonna be a ton of people jumping ship.
I’m doing my part. With exception of portal 1 and 2 GOG is the only store I am purchasing games from.
GOG pride themselves on being a “curated” store that rejects a lot of indie games, and Indies are what’s driving Steam’s growth right now.
Are they competitors even? I thought GoG whole schtick was selling retro games, hence their name.
I know they sell some newer games, but not really sure how it compares to a platform like Steam.
Nah, they sell tons of big budget and new indie games.
But this is their biggest problem. Most don’t even know they exist, and sell modern games.
I pick whichever is cheaper with a heavy preference towards GOG. I am also a patient gamer, so I’ll watch and wait for deals so I can get it on GOG but that doesn’t always happen. Also Steam bundles can skew price deals for me making it more attractive.
Does GOG support Linux?
More like, Linux supports GOG and they don’t try to stop it.
The thing you want is the Heroic Games Launcher, you can login to your GOG/Epic/Amazon and install/launch games (using WINE/Proton) pretty much like using Steam.
It’s even available as a Flatpak so you can use it on the Steam Deck.
Kind of. You can install stuff like lutris or steamdeck plugins that connect to gog and download games for you
The cover question is: do the games support Linux? And with proton, a lot of them do
What does the “Linux” filter refer to then?
https://www.gog.com/en/games/new?systems=linuxEdit: I tried with a random free game. Provided was a shell script with binary data appended to it.
Native supported Linux games. Why?
Yeah, I thought that was the question. I never considered downloader/launcher, or whatever their software does.
Yes and no.
GOG games run just fine on Linux, some native and some under Wine\Proton (almost entirely on the game’s devs, but GOG does have their support program to get Wine working on older unsupported games).
GOG Galaxy, their launcher app, does not have a Linux version. You have to download games off their website directly or use Lutris, Heroic, or some other third party management platform to manage them. The advantage of using a game manager–aside from easier monitored game downloads, automatic updates, and community features–is that they’re usually set up Wine for you as well, which can be annoying to set up and use correctly.
I did not at all like using launchers back when I gamed in Windows, but I really got around to liking Lutris now that I game in Linux - it integrates with my entire games collection (including older titles from physical media), is not trying at all to push me to buy, buy, buy and it doesn’t get in my way when all I want is to start a game and have fun (i.e. no waiting for store app or game updates).
Also I figured out how to configure it to run my games sandboxed with networking disabled, so that’s my default game launch config now. Can’t do that at all with Steam.
Finally, it’s way more flexible when it comes to force the more stubborn Windows games to run in Linux (including the funny and more extreme case of a certain game that wouldn’t run in Steam no matter what I did, but the pirated version wasn’t that hard to get to run fine in Lutris).
GOG does not have a Linux launcher. There were some rumblings about focusing on Linux development when there was a change of hands, but we still have to see anything coming from that.
However, GOG does host Linux builds of games where available.
To preserve “pagan” games or are we talking about another GOG?
Yeah I’m still pretty concerned about that whole event but it seems like everyone has just forgotten about it.
I could have forgiven the initial email as a rogue nazi intern but their official response being “we made sure not to send it to Germans and its on you all for seeing nazi symbols as nazi symbols” is pretty fucking problematic. Also before anyone defends them as just being pagan symbols, the ones they chose to use were both modern creations by nazi germany
For anyone who’s not up to date: https://www.pcgamer.com/games/gog-apologizes-for-emailing-nazi-runes-to-its-followers/
I’m already designing covers and checking what disc type is needed for some of my favourite games
this won’t buy anyone a yacht, though
Somehow they’ll get sued over this for making the other companies look like crooks and thieves
Yes, yes, we get it. Everyone and everything everywhere is bad.
Love to see it from GOG. Now if only they had a Linux launcher akin to Steam Big Picture Mode.
They would be the dream imo
Check out Heroic Games Launcher. Launches games from Epic, Steam, and GOG. Runs on Linux, Windows and Mac OS.
I wouldn’t hold my breath. When they release their latest launcher (2019), it still had example code from the Windows Vista days. Using extremely old libraries to manage storage I believe (or at least accessing storage). So they can’t even actually develop a launcher for Windows. When I messaged then about it, they didn’t care.
Going forward any gaming purchase I make will be from GOG.
You don’t need to back up games yourself. Piracy exists. If a storefront disappears, or otherwise you lose access to a game you licensed, you can always just fish it back from the high seas. Just only buy games without DRM or which’s DRM has been cracked already.
Assuming the cables feeding the interwebs into your place are still working, and a nice long download time for newer titles
I’m here wondering if this quote is going to age like milk or not.
Well, if you download an installer from gog and save it to a disk, it’s yours forever, regardless of what gog does. Of course, the window to do so might close with very short notice.
I imagine what they mean is that, in the future, GoG does what seemingly every other successful company that has “good morals” does when they get rich and famous… Renegs for more $$$
See Netflix “we’ll never have ads” and using sharing accounts as a promotional tool. And Googles “do no evil”. Etc.
Obviously they can’t undo your ability to install what you already have, but they could prevent you doing it in the future.
Literally impossible for it to age like milk. They can’t remove games from your library, the way every other storefront can
At least someone’s taking the easy opportunity Sony is handing out. cough Hint hint, Xbox cough
I love GOG. I miss having a computer.
