I am dissapointed in my peers. For years I have always been told to stay away from Apple devices and the company in general. However, no one who said that actually used their devices, or used them but not recently (some had like iPhone 4s in the past). Their knowledge was always based on some 3rd hand impressions or internet related peer pressure.
I am in the EU, and Apple devices aren’t as popular as in the US, mostly everyone uses an Android phone and a Windows machine. That also led me using Android and Windows in my daily activities, for the last 15 years. After many phones, starting with HTC Wildfire, i have continously been let down by my phone every 1 to 3 years after purchase.
First i was buying flagships, then mid-high, then back to non-pro flagship variants. I was also trying diffenent brands; HTC, LG, Sony, Samsung, Xiaomi, Nokia, OnePlus. When my last phone died, and i had to buy a new one, i had no idea what to get.
Everything seemed bad, i had them, they look the same, software looks the same, i was afraid of picking a “wrong” phone again. Every single one of them had some issue i couldn’t get over. Either notification problems, bad battery life, slow performance on camera, issues with sharing stuff, fingerprint annoyances, restarts…
Mind you, not everything was on a single device. One had great battery life but i wouldn’t get messages sometimes, other was great but battery life was poor, and on most of them the camera was laggy or buggy.
1 year ago, maybe a bit more, it dawned on me that the only brand i haven’t used anything from is Apple, so i got a basic iPhone 13 to “check it out”, planning on using it for a week or two just to see what the fuss is about. I was using my Android device as the main phone, and the iPhone as a second phone, I wasn’t ready for the jump.
After a week i found myself doing everything on the iPhone apart from voice calls, so then i finally took the SIM and retired my Android phone. 6 months later, my Windows laptop battery died and the repair would cost more than what the laptop is worth. So i decided to purchase a thin and portable laptop with intention to install Debian on it, as i was done with Win11 bugs and “features”.
After looking for 2-3 weeks, comparing different laptops, i was set on a HP 14inch laptop with a price tag of about €1300. Then i remembered that i am still thinking with my peers in mind. They were enraged on how i “betrayed” them by switching to iPhone.
I decided to look up Mac laptops and found out that they are actually very similary priced as the one i wanted to buy. I got out and purchased a M2 Air, basic configuration. I had no idea about the iPhone-Mac compatibility and integrations. Found out about AirDrop and other features. I was in love with this new combo that, cliche, “just works”.
My “friends” literally went 180 on me just for the dumb reason of using one brand instead of the other. None of them has actually tried to use Apple hardware. They were mocking me about being “locked in”, “fallen for their marketing”, and other stuff. “How do you like your iCloud subscription?”, things like that.
I have to tell you, i do not use any paid service from Apple. I succesfully conected my Apple devices to my home server where i keep my files, photos, calendar and all the other applications on it. I am not locked in, i feel like i have even more freedom because some services work better than on Android or Windows.
Syncing works flawlessly, something that was always janky on Android.
Sorry for the long post.
I guess what i am trying to ask is, why so much hate? Why can’t a person decide for themselves? Why is macOS/iOS looked down upon regarding connectivity with other devices and services when that’s clearly not the case?
Why do people that have no first hand experience so vocal and opposed to the brand? Shouldn’t you at least try and then be the judge?
- Are you AI/bot?
- Wall of text = incomprehensible, would not read/5.
- It’s rarely about how good the devices are, but how much they cost + Apple’s two-faced moral model that makes people oppose/reject it.
- No why?
- Ok, i didn’t take any writing classes
- What does that have to do with a device? To each their own, but i wouldn’t choose my daily drivers based on a company. We almost all drive gas cars, and big oil=bad, same with a lot of other stuff in our life but people are somehow really worried about their phone brand
It always surprises me how many people go for the self burn. Whining about a few paragraphs of texts is basically admitting their literacy level or attention span is pitiful.
That said, people who don’t like Apple still have legitimate reasons. Stuff like being forced to use proprietary connector, their “walled garden”. Basically if you’re happy within the limits of how you think they should do stuff it’s great, but not everyone is. None of that has really changed.
Use what you like though. People calling switching to Apple if that’s what you prefer a “betrayal” are being ridiculous.
Are you AI/bot?
My ADHD only allowed me to read the first two sentences.
I don’t have ADHD but same.
I think you should talk to your friends about this, not us.
They know why they (appear to) judge you better than any of us can infer from reading your side of the story.
But to answer your question as written: Yes, I am very familiar with their hardware and products. The hardware is good. The products are coherent. The company is dishonest, monopolistic and anti-consumer. I value my consumer freedom higher.
Whole point of the post is to get opinions from other people. There is no story, just my general observations about the software/hardware
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Stop caring about what other people think about Apple.
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Start using paragraphs.
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Learn how to express your thoughts in a short and clear manner.
- I have no idea how to do that, it affects my proffesional life as well. Any advice on some guides?
When you’re writing a text, you’re putting down a stream of thoughts. Our thoughts can be very chaotic and hard to understand. So it’s a good practice to review your texts. Are sentences connected to each other? Does this thought lead to the next one? Does this paragraph add value? Should you move or delete something? It takes practice to become a good editor.
You can also learn from how other people structure their texts. I pay attention to that when I read a post on Lemmy or article in some magazine. It’s a pleasure to read a good text. I try to understand, what makes it good and what makes a bad text bad. That knowledge helps me write better texts.
This article has some good points: https://theamericanscholar.org/writing-english-as-a-second-language/ Despite the title, it can be helpful for native speakers too.
It takes a lot of practice, but is worth the time investment. Some tips:
- Go over everything you write and cut out things that are redundant or not central to your point. Repeat this many times per text.
- One “point” per paragraph.
- Three sentences or less per paragraph.
Focus on writing around paragraphs. Look over your text and see all the islands of text. Do they contain multiple different thoughts? Break up, move, or delete. Are they similar? Merge and reduce.
I don’t really care what others think about companies, but when people i hang out with start judging me based on their views about some company, that gets weird
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I’m not reading that whole post, but in answer to the title. I use an android for my personal phone and an iPhone for my work phone. I’ve used both side by side for more than the last 10 years. Without a doubt the android phone is more functional and easier to use. I don’t give a shit about cameras, messaging apps, or brand loyalty. The android is more affordable and allows me to send texts, surf the internet, and watch YouTube without adds through vanced. I would never consider getting an iPhone as my personal use phone.
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I use an iPad for work. It’s getting better now that they have widgets and allow a little customization. I hate the app store and the keyboard (even with gbosrd installed it’s still clunky), and almost everything about using it. That said, it starts quickly, has good battery life, and is durable. Good device, terrible os. Android feels like the opposite - less reliable (more restarts) but much more pleasant to use. I haven’t used an apple computer in a hundred years but i dint remember it being bad. My kids use macs for design stuff at home and work and love them. As someone else mentioned, i think it’s ios that is hated.
I use apple products as main devices since I was 16 and bought my first Mac, I’m not a fan girl, these are all shitty companies so Android/Google, Apple or Windows for me it’s the same but I have to say that the way iOS works is super intuitive to me, it’s like my brain works the same way (obviously there’s some stupid stuff like the way Settings are arranged) and I have also Android devices form various brands but I wouldn’t change my iphone/mac even if I have to buy everything refurbished because the cost is prohibitive!
The keyboard is ok, I registered many abbreviations so writing is very simple; Safari works fine and you can install adblockers, or if you want you can download another browser, just without extensions;
If you are a geek and privacy focused I agree that a de-googled Android is the best but for the average joe an iphone works well
Slowly but surely i’m getting on the same boat. If i lost my phone tomorrow and couldn’t afford a new one, i would much rather get a second-hand iphone from a year or three ago than a cheap android
My ex’s dad worked for someone that would get a new phone for each member of his family yearly and then would give his old phones to his employees. I ended up receiving year-old iPhones until 2020.
My local library had an iMac lab. I spend countless hours doing my work and hanging out there, all using iMacs. Eventually, I also bought an Apple Intel laptop with the awful butterfly keyboard, only to sell it a couple of months afterwards.
So I have tried Apple hardware. Up until 2020 it was the only smartphone hardware I ever used. It was the computer hardware I used for the vast majority of my middle and highschool years (heck, even in college there’s an iMac lab that I spent quite some time in).
I spent most of my life using Apple hardware with Apple software and when I switched to repairable hardware and libre software exclusively, my life improved.
Good for you. I switched to libre or at least alternative software which is (almost all) cross-platform compatible. I replaced almost everything apart from some niche software that only works on windows.
The day i can game on linux is the day windows goes to the VM just for that few pieces of software required for my business.
That said, mac comes with most of the every-day items preinstalled. Mail, spreadsheets and the likes. Windows on the other hand - not so much. Windows mail app can’t hold a candle to the mac app or even the ios app.
You need to pay for office for that. Same on android. I can do 99% of stuff without installing any app from the app store.
They’ve become a lot better in the past fifteen years in terms of usability and respect for their users, but the price point is still out of whack. They sell style as much as function… sometimes to the detriment of function.
Is it really? Air costs as much as a HP Envy
They were enraged on how i “betrayed” them by switching to iPhone.
Your friends need to chill the fuck out.
I’ve used Apple devices for work in the past (phone and laptop) although not for about 7 or 8 years and they were fine - bit of a learning curve as I have always been a Windows and Android person, but I got used to them, and those aspects of them that I found ideosyncratic (or just plain dumb!)
That said, it’d take a pretty big shift for me to want to go back to Apple by choice, but that’s partly because of cost and the sheer number of apps I’d have to buy to replace those I have.
But, if you want to go with Apple, it’s your call, and your friends should not be taking it so seriously.
I agree with the chilling, i think most people are on some death rampage to money and that makes them angry and irrational
No. To me, Apple is like Nazis. They look good but are bad. The end.
Oh, Apple’s ecosystem is absolutely brilliant, but the problem is that it only works with Apple hardware and software with no indication of future cross platform compatibility. So you basically get suckered into buying Apple products only, if you want to keep your passwords, documents, podcasts, etc.
Like migrating into Apple’s platform is easy, but moving back out is almost impossible. The main problem lies with how irritating it can get to consume content provided by services outside their domain.
Personally I am happy with my Macbook, because I can still download and install apps without using the App Store, but I could never see myself migrating to iOS because that would mean losing my manga collection, my emulators, the ability to watch free movies on Stremio, etc.
Edit: Oh, yeah the iOS keyboard is an absolute travesty. It makes textboxes so frustrating to deal with. How can you have a virtual keyboard without a clipboard in this day and age?
Yes. I recently switched from an iPhone pro to a Pixel pro and I greatly prefer the Pixel. I’m still learning cool new things I can do with my Pixel after months of use. The text selection is absolutely awful on the iPhone, as is the keyboard. Those two things alone were reason enough for me to switch.
I would love to try a Pixel, unfortunately it’s not sold in my area and i wouldn’t have any support if something went bad with it. The best phone i had was a Nokia, and it was the phone with the worst hardware, but the stock Android experience was beautiful.
I just don’t like how you get around in an iphone. Admittedly, I haven’t used Macs in a very long time, so maybe they’re pretty good nowadays (I still hear you can’t upgrade them at all tho, sooo…maybe not?), but most of it comes down to me feeling lost navigating the thing.
The other thing is how expensive Apple Products are in comparison to the competition, and the walled garden thing they got going on. Androids are just easier to move around in, cheaper, and give me more control over my device. That’s the other big thing that steers me away from iphones: I pay more for a “premium” product and get a lack of control over it.
On android: If I wanna not use the Play Store, I can ignore it and use something else, if I don’t like the stock apps, i can look for replacements that do suit my tastes (tbf, I can do this on Apple too, but there isn’t much by comparison), if I wanna install a custom ROM, I can install it, if I wanna root the thing and sideline apps while I’m at it, I can, if I want to brick my phone…I’m an idiot, but I have that option. I can do none of that, or do some of it in a limited way, on an iphone.
Pretty much, I don’t like how unintuitive the UI is, how restricting the system feels to me, and the company’s overall anti consumer stance
Also cool thing about the iPhone. Bottom right of the keyboard there’s a button labeled “return”. Push it twice to start a new paragraph.
Noted. Pushed twice on edit. Took some skill to find the return button tho.
