• @AllonzeeLV@lemmy.world
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    2 years ago

    Come on now, that’s not fair!

    I, for one, think we should show our appreciation for Bezos being a titan of capitalist virtue by crowdfunding an experience he’ll never forget, a deep sea excursion into the depths to view the wreckage of the storied Titanic!

    Who’s with me?!

  • @Moyer1666@lemmy.ml
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    132 years ago

    This is the problem with capitalism. The workers do all the work, but the “owning” class keeps all the rewards of all that work.

    • @OceanSoap@lemmy.ml
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      -22 years ago

      I don’t agree with the size of the wealth gap between owner and regular employee, but I don’t understand why people think the heads of these companies - and I’m talking the ones that started them from nothing - did no work or continue to do no work. It’s pretty ludicrous to think that the low level employees at Amazon are doing “all the work.” Are they doing all the grunt work? Yes. Is their job the most physically demanding? Yes. Are they underpaid? Yes. But to pretend like the owner does nothing is just so idiotic and shows a lack of understanding of what goes into running a massive organization like amazon.

      There definitely needs to be reform. I don’t even think taxation is the way to go, I think putting laws in place for higher wages is key.

    • @CoffeeJunkie@lemmy.world
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      22 years ago

      Depends on the position! Last contract adjustment really helps the part-timers rise above poverty wages. Has yet to be ratified but it looks promising.

    • @xX_fnord_Xx@lemmy.world
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      -12 years ago

      It’s good until you pay off the union that doesn’t provide until you’ve been a member for a number of years

      Things may have changed, but I noped out of the package handlers Union back in the 00’s when I was offered a shitty job at UPS because it looked like the pay was going to be shit until I’d suffered for years, then it’s be slightly less shit.

      /please correct me if I’m wrong, I don’t want to spread misinformation, just want to share how shit the union system can be unchecked.

  • @BCsven@lemmy.ca
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    02 years ago

    Buy local when you can, if you have to order a chinese made products (most are these days) buy from Aliexpress, you save a ton of money not paying amazon markup or a 3rd party Chinese seller running business on Amazon.

      • @BCsven@lemmy.ca
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        12 years ago

        I totally agree with that, the issue these days is even the good products are chinese made. And things like computer parts; you don’t have an western part manufacturer. An example Dell adapter cable on Amazon $24, exact product direct from China $3 free shipping

  • maxmoon
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    02 years ago

    I bed the creator of the meme is using Amazon frequently and doesn’t give a dime about the people there.

  • @porkins@sh.itjust.works
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    I want to have a serious conversation on this if possible. As devil’s advocate, if I want to start a business that helps people, what would I have to do to not run afoul and garner this type of criticism? Are you indicating that I must relinquish my business once it gets too big and that I am only entitled to a certain amount of success? Are you indicating that I must pay my workers far beyond what the free market dictates they are worth? Trying to understand how those are my issues. It would seem to me that these would need to change with far reaching government policies. Those policies in many ways go against capitalist principles when you start to consider having to pay a janitor for a company hundreds of thousands of dollars if the company is successful and employees are paid in revenue share. That makes far less sense than the owner of the company reaping the benefit of their innovation. I would also argue that an entrepreneur will potentially use these earnings more interestingly than a janitor, potentially to start additional businesses that help the public by increasing offerings and jobs.

    • skulblaka
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      02 years ago

      If your net worth breaks a billion dollars, you will garner this sort of criticism nearly no matter what you do with it. Bill Gates, at least recently, has been just about as close as you can be to a model philanthropist, and people still spit on his name regularly.

      A few things that help though, would be A) paying workers higher than the federally mandated minimum amount that you can legally pay them without running afoul of labor laws, B) Reinvesting profit back into the company instead of paying yourself a gorillion dollar yearly bonus while the rest of the employees get a 2.5% cost of living raise, and C) donating to charitable causes or human rights groups.

      But some CEO’s (I won’t say many, but definitely some) do all of these things and still come under public fire. Realistically, if you actually manage to hoard enough money to become a billionaire, you’ve already abandoned your morals. No human being needs that much money. By all means profit from your innovations and rake in enough to live a comfortable life off them, but when your take home pay for a month is 12x what your next best paid employee makes in a year, you’re a motherfucker. Doubly so, when said employee is the one with boots on the ground and all the CEO is doing is signing papers and looking pretty for the shareholders.

      In my opinion, there should never, ever ever, be a discrepancy of more than 5x the amount your lowest paid employee makes. If you’re paying people 25k a year to do the work that runs your business, the guy at the top of the chain of command shouldn’t make more than 125k. If you pay your guys 100k a year, sure, take home 500k a year if you’ve got the profits. Live comfortably. But when a company makes record breaking profits, turns around and cans half their staff, then pays the bigwigs a million dollar bonus while everyone else gets next to nothing, yeah, fuck you, fuck your product, and fuck your shareholders. If you look around there’s been quite a lot of that going on recently.

      I guess my point is, the act of dishonestly hoarding the money in the first place is what makes us hate the rich. If you made that money fair and square and you deserve it, man, more power to you. I don’t think anyone is upset with Dolly Parton even though she’s worth an estimated 650 million US dollars, because she sweat and bled for that money and hasn’t taken to lording it over everyone else just because she can. Bezos invented a website and then rode it’s coattails into the realm of the obscenely rich without hardly ever lifting another finger for it. So did Musk. And the better-than-thou attitude they get about it makes it so much worse.

      Not all the rich are bad people, but for the most part, good people don’t become rich. Not like that. It takes a certain amount of gleefully taking advantage of your fellow humans to get there. That remorseless exploitation is what we hate.

      • @porkins@sh.itjust.works
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        02 years ago

        Bezos invented a website

        He modernized e-commerce logistics through taking a huge risk of setting up last-mile regional warehouses at significant cost then moved from books to everything. He created sophisticated business processes that accounted for demand and seasonality, then had the foresight to take his logistics software platform and even package its components as a service.

          • @porkins@sh.itjust.works
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            -12 years ago

            He played the game correctly. The American dream is capitalism. We can improve the rules across industries, but the idea that we should remove the winners is no fun. If you spend years building a business and exposing yourself to calculated risk, you should reap your reward.

  • @FormerlyChucks@lemmy.world
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    -42 years ago

    Listen, I can order a plethora of items, from the comfort of my recliner, and get them within two days for a yearly subscription fee of $140. A subscription that also includes Prime video streaming, a service that typically costs about that annually from an alternative provider.

    I know it’s fun and easy to shit on multi billion dollar companies but Amazon is Amazon because people voted with their wallets to make them that way.

    Bezos deserves to reap what he sowed. If you think you can do it better, more equitably, you’re welcome to try.

    • @Frittiert@feddit.de
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      42 years ago

      Someone who lets his employees piss in bottles because they don’t get breaks, someone who uses his excess wealth for unnecessary luxuries, using up an unimaginable amount of resources, preventing other people from using them, someone who lives in his billionaire bubble not giving a fuck about people or the environment - someone like this deserves just one thing.

      Totally unrelated:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillotine

        • Zloubida
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          32 years ago

          You still believe in free market? The rules are rigged in favour of shareholders, ethical solutions can’t thrive in this system. America is not free market at all.