Genuinely boggled that anyone would think this is not the same geopolitical players behind Brexit and trump. It’s exactly the same. If there was a big red bus with ‘Alberta will be more free in the US’ it couldn’t be more the same.
- it’s not going to happen; it’s never going to happen
- it’s not about seceding or annexation - it’s about politically dividing Albertans specifically, and Canada more generally.
- Again, this is the same psyop playbook, top to bottom - there is nothing behind it except oligarch money and bot farms.
I hope you are right, and generally speaking I believe the same way you do on the matter. Sure they had lineups 2000 people long in every community, but that’s it. Everyone that was going to sign their stupid petitions signed them the first 3 days.
But if you are like me and live here, the sentiment is very much “fuck Ottawa” more than “fuck Canada.” It’s sad how easily affected a population can be when it comes to propaganda like this. It’s sad really. And we thought thought as a society, making sure everyone can read and write a lawful requirement was a good thing.
And we thought thought as a society, making sure everyone can read and write a lawful requirement was a good thing.
It’s not wrong there’s just an evil financial incentive to keep literacy at a certain level.
Why do you hate ottawa?
It’s shorthand for “the federal government”.
Though from my POV, opposition to the Albertan oil industry is popular rather than just driven by the federal government. If anything, it seemed like Trudeau wanted to work more with Alberta but faced loud complaints (including court challenges) from the rest of Canada.
Like I’d much rather see a long term strategy that ends up leaving most of that oil in the sands than any further investment in extracting it. I also interpret “don’t worry, it’ll be perfectly safe” as “we’ll extraxct as much value from this until it fails and if the consequences are severe enough, make sure retirement funds have invested in us so that we have hostages”.
Canadians are generally far too educated for this to become more than a nuisance. It’s still concerning, but it’s great to see how it brings out the morons :)
Once again, Putin and his gnomes spreading discord, anything to break the West.
Canadian or Provincial annexation is a terrible deal for 2 main reasons.
US debt, and power projection, is on a near term collapse trajectory. Insane healthcare, military spending levels for no social services is higher effective tax/oppression rate on people/small business. Changes in provincial (and/or federal) government structure would be extremely disruptive.
Territorial possession of the US is far more likely than statehood. Far less generous autonomy (Quebec especially) granted by Federal government, and autonomy eroded continuously like native treaties have been. Increased north/south trade seems nice, but “real states” will get federal manufacturing incentives, and possessions will be hollowed out to 3rd world level. Jones act regulations on sea shipping means high cost of living.
While tariffs decrease unity as they should, the whole “protect steel and auto workers for outrageously expensive cars in states that don’t have those industries” is reason for highest GDP states to secede from genuinely corrupt political process, that propagandizes swing states on national socialist domination of uneconomic operations delivering no results for them, and shit product for the oppressed states.
Yeah, this is basically where I’m at. We don’t want to make Canada an actual state. What we want to do, is make it a colony, in the 17th century idea: we rule everything, and whatever you do, it just gets shipped southwards to prop up what’s left of the imperial core.
Back in the US, back in the US, back in the USSR.
You definitely do not need to tell anyone on here twice my friend. Your comment could be used in a sub or two over at Reddit though. Then again, they’d probably just drown you out with “fucking libtard” comments.
You do realize Canada’s debt is higher than USA, right?
EDIT: Always worthwhile getting downvoted but no evidence to the contrary. Typical.
The USA’s debt is about 30 times greater than Canada’s debt. Canada’s total debt is actually lower than the USA’s annual federal deficit. Canada’s *net debt to GDP ratio is far better than the U.S.’s at about 10% compared to over 100%.
Did you specifically mean household debt?
If you lookup debt as a percentage of gdp
USA - 88.454%
Canada - 136%
If you compare debt by capita:
USA - $75.8K per person
Canada - $76.4K per person
I’m using numbers from here:
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-by-national-debt
Which source is telling you USA debt is 30 times greater?
Well I actually just divided $39 trillion by $1.3 trillion all by myself. I made a mistake in my comment and did not state that I was referring to net debt to GDP ratio, which the FRED and IMF and others track. You are correct that gross debt to GDP ratio favors the States. You are also obviously looking right past the column that shows the U.S.’s much larger gross debt, so I’m again curious why you just state “Canada’s debt is higher” when you can see that it isn’t.
I’m also the only one that actually bothered to include my source. There’s always multiple ways to compare. I would say both Canada and USA have a debt problem. Freeland resigned because the budget came in with a $50+BILLION dollar deficit, Carney’s last number was over $70B. (I didn’t look it up, the numbers may be a bit off)
This world is going mad.
A bunch of YouTube channels that no one watches anyway. Nothing burger.
I wish that were true. My elderly father has this slop playing constantly. It’s a struggle to have a conversation based in reality these days.
I am myself flooded by AI astrophysics videos by dead scientists and it’s so annoying.
YOU don’t watch it. But I’ve watched in real time while videos like this appear on relative’s feeds while they doomscroll as they uncritically absorb everything that appears. Sometimes watching the same video two or five times because the damn app loops. And when I point out “you know that’s bullshit right?” The response is always some variation of: “I wasn’t paying attention to what it said I was just watching.” But they are absorbing it because days or weeks later they will parrot that same BS at me in a conversation.
Okay, fair enough. But do you think something like this would convince someone not already committed to secession? I can see how it would be appealing to support a narrative someone already has, but do you think it actually convinces people to change their mind on the issue?
On its own in a vacuum, no. But that’s why propaganda is seeded across multiple sources over extended periods in places people are half checked out in mentally. It’s the same reason advertising works. That one advert won’t get you, but if you hear a jingle, see a commercial, a billboard, an ad, an endorsement, a logo at your favorite team’s sports park… Ever wonder why your favorite softdrink is your favorite softdrink?
These propagandistic channels only need to plant the seeds of an idea, regularly feed it, wait until people are convinced the idea is their own, then wait for a counter pushback. That’s when the propaganda really takes root. Just like with Q or flat earthers, they will dig in to defend themselves from anyone challenging them. Logic need not apply. Push back only makes their conviction stronger.
I agree with all that. I haven’t been paying too much attention. Has separatist feeling been increasing? My feeling (based on nothing) was that it was static around 20%.
Speratism has been increasing everywhere on the right and the left. Rather that’s an intentional divide and control strategy or people organically getting sick of the systems around them - whose to say. I used to say nothing will come of it but then I watched the UK take themselves right out of the EU and found out Cambridge Analytica had a heavy hand in it.
Also 20% is a big number. That’s one in five people. Every fifth person. That’s a LOT. You only need 3.5% of the population to make a nonviolent policy change, 10% for a revolution against Great Britain. Even if that number stays at 20% my worry is some entity will organize that angry mass towards a goal.
I agree, 20% is a lot. That’s why the issues raised by the separatist side need to be addressed, and not just dismissed. Justin Trudeau wouldn’t give Alberta the time of day. Hopefully, Carney will be better.
I rarely get ads, thanks to pihole. But whenever my server is down for maintenance etc. I get spammed with “Visit the USA!” and “America the Beautiful” ads. I live in Australia… Why the fuck would I want to visit that shithole country?
It seems like the US is drowning and is trying desperately to get more people in to replace the “illegals” they’re deporting. Maybe I’m just their target audience (straight, white, male) ughh… makes me feel gross.
What you’re seeing, unironically, is a century long conspiracy from billionaires to put the entire North American continent and northern South America under a single fascist state called “The Technate of America”.
I shit you not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy_movement?wprov=sfla1
Even Elon Musk’s grandpa was in on this. And now their dependents are trying (through the MAGA movement) make it happen.
Why is Trump obsessed with annexing Greenland? Why did he invade Venezuela and kidnap Maduro? Why is he starving Cuba and threatening war? Why is he demanding Canada be annexed by America?
This is why. Billionaires are cashing in on their century long investment of colonizing a world power and establishing themselves as the leaders of the world. It sounds moronic and like a conspiracy theory, but its real, and these people are dumb enough to try it.
Guy said the USA is shithole country, if I ever visit Australia, I’m buying you dinner lmfao
Buy most of us dinner, it is not an uncommon opinion
I’ll see what I can do!
Shoutout to the PiHole team!
youtube accounts should be authenticated to a human being in an organisation and those details be public to save democracy
No. Education should be better funded. I’ll give social media platforms my ID when hell freezes over.
Be very, very careful in advocating for that.
Sounds like someone needs a double dose of… FREEDOM! /s
No, we definitely are trying to use rich whites as a patch on the leaking dam now that we’ve been trying to deport all the “illegals” as fast as we can (and to get the administration filthy fucking rich). “Rich” in this case being "over $50k/year so we might be able to get them to buy a car and rent an apartment Considering they’re talking about lifting the immigration restrictions on white South Africans specifically.
I am just curious, what is making you gross?
Hi, American here. Please never come here. While YOU would be mostly safe, we are still a dumpster fire.
Eh, if we manage to get our shit together I encourage everyone to visit our national parks. It’s not safe now or for the foreseeable future, but if it is in the future, they really are something to behold.
Trump and crew need a reason to stay in office after 2028… They believe being in a war allows that due to “war powers”.
Well, it’s been working for his boss in Israel.
Since we’re in the cursed timeline, Trump will leave office in 2029 and be elected prime minister of Canada.
Damn. You’re diabolical.
the real cursed timeline is they’re going to run someone else in the immediate family for president, like Melania or Don Jr. Have fun with that.
It would be tit for tat for giving us Justin Bieber.
He’s your problem now! No takebacks!
I love how in only one of the thumbnails Alaska is part of the US.
This is classic information warfare. Its been pretty well documented over the past 10 years. It feels like we all know it exists but still fall for it all the same.
Do you want Cascadia?
Because this is how you get Cascadia.
Literally 0 chance that BC would join a MAGA controlled USA.
… Non-zero chance that it would join WA OR and CA, should an actual dual civil war kick off.
California can’t survive intact without the Colorado river, so you need to convince at least NV, AZ, UT, and probably CO to come too. If California left but Nevada was still part of Trumplandia one of the first things they would do is shut off all outflow from the Hoover Dam.
Yeah, thats a great example of where you run into the differences between ‘Cascadia’ as a bioregion, defined primarily by watershed networks, snd ‘Cascadia’ as a maybe possible legal/political entity, based on current existing borders.
IIRC, the bioregion Cascadia basically only extends down to bits of Northern California… but the political reality doesn’t match well with this at all.
Perhaps state delegates could all send couriers to Goodsprings for a conference, to hash out the details, lol.
Cascadia vs Greater California vs … New Zion/Deseret?
Political divisions tend to use rivers as borders because they’re naturally difficult to cross, but mountain ranges/watershed boundaries would make much more sense for self-sufficiency among the divisions without excessive squabbling. Although BC/Alberta did a good job in that regard!
So yes, it’s mostly Northern California that could join the Cascadia party. Hence my qualifier of “intact”. Unfortunately, NorCal is predominantly on the red team politically.
It wouldn’t be as devastating (or possible) to cut off the Pend Oreille or Spokane rivers from adding to the Columbia.
For reference, in case anyone wants to see what we’re talking about more directly:
https://cascadiabioregion.org/nine-regions-of-cascadia
(I picked this one because I am a blatant Seattle Supremacist /s)
So yeah, you’d have to overlay this kind of a map with say, county level political maps for the US, apologies to Canadians, I do not know what the Canadian approximate equivalent of a county is.
But yeah, then look at rivers, origin points, watersheds, dams, other critical infrastructure, etc, to see how this could possibly shake out.
The Greater Idaho idea was originally to essentially carve off as many counties in eastern WA and OR, basically east of the Cascades, and… move them into Idaho:
https://moveoregonsborder.org/the-maps/
I … guess they gave up on trying to take Spokane.
But uh yeah so basically everywhere between the Cascades, down to Medford, down further to Redding… would potentially be a war zone.
Like, I5 south of Portland would be a critical artery and thus a warzone, probably same with I90.
Personally, if this happens, I’m counting it as yet another thing Deus Ex ended up predicting.
There’s a conversation you can have with an ex NSF soldier, who tells you about how his squad got wiped out at ‘Squalnomie’, by other troops with thermoptic camo.
Squalnomie -> Snoqualmie, as in Snoqualmie Pass, I would assume.
Yeah, water distribution would be weaponized.
At 32% approval, and blatant election rigging plans, a constitutional convention should occur instead of planning around impeachment for last 2 years of term.
Non-zero? How about 100%? Every single person I’ve ever spoken with about this idea in my life has been on board. I bet 85-90% of the public would support it if the facts could be communicated to them without interference (so, never)
Cascadia would be insanely powerful and competitive on the world stage, probably a superpower.
The immediate problem would be that Idaho, eastern OR and eastern WA are very very seriously trying to do the whole Greater Idaho thing, and are basically chalk full of armed white supremacist theocrat bigots.
So… yeah.
I guess the ‘good’ news is that western WA has JBLM and a lot of Navy bases, and maybe enough of them would align with Cascadia … ?
The bad news is the Holy State of Greater Idaho would probably be able to dash and seize Hanford, and then be able to make dirty nuclear bombs.
But anyway…
Throw in Hawaii and then Cascadia and Japan and SK can form a trading bloc, and theoretically be able to back that up with maybe a little bit of the formerly US Navy?
Total spitballing here.
Alaska sure would be completely fucked.
Airline fuel is pretty expensive these days… for some reason… Didn’t BC/Yukon already basically say ‘fuck you’ to US truckers going between Alaksa and the 48, or I am not remembering that right?
It takes 34 states to declare constitutional convention. Once it starts, no rules. If one of the agenda items include redrawing state lines for more unity, can give more power to groups/states to join separate unions that advance their values.
Dems currently control only 18 State Legislatures.
Best case scenario… (imo):
Dems gain Arizona, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Nevada, New Hampshire, Georgia, North Carolina, Texas, Florida, Virgina.
So thats 27.
So… you’d then have to get 5 Rep State Legislatures on board with this.
Which might (?) be possible, there’s still a fair deal of ‘National Divorce’ sentiment on the right generally.
… and then, all hell would break loose.
I think there was some kind of levy they had to pay, but definitely not a complete ban. I don’t think it stuck.
